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Offline 2tango2

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Re: A rare batch of SP-01 Compacts available
« Reply #255 on: November 29, 2016, 01:11:31 PM »
I can't speak for the 97B but the 97BD is a gem to shoot. My Sig P220 Scorpion Elite has not seen the outside of the safe since the 97BD arrived [emoji106]


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Re: A rare batch of SP-01 Compacts available
« Reply #256 on: November 30, 2016, 09:05:30 AM »
Could someone do me a favor and throw one of these on a postal scale (preferable both with and without an empty mag)? I'm almost positive the advertised weight is incorrect, as it's the exact same as the standard compact.

Also, if anyone is lucky enough to own one if these and a P01, I would love to know the frame width above the grip for both.

Thanks!

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Re: A rare batch of SP-01 Compacts available
« Reply #257 on: November 30, 2016, 02:07:49 PM »
    BTW how'd your 97 hold up in that comparison?
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It's all apples n oranges n bananas.   The Les Baer has blacked-out adjustable LPA target sights, a single stack 8 round magazine, being very flat and thin traditional 1911, with a killer 2.5lb single action only trigger, no tac rail, and has a hand-fitted barrel/link, yielding 1/5" groups at 50 yards from a rest.  It is a total laser beam, and shoots exactly where you point it every time. Frame-to-slide fit is ultra-tight, no play.  But to me, although an amazing target gun, and very sleek, the 1911 platform is simply outdated by today's functional standards, in all honesty, and is not the gun I would choose for home defense or combat.  More felt recoil than the CZ or Sig, too.  A phenomenal target or range gun.   

My Sig P220 all-Stainless is a German mfg gun, and is ridiculously tight for a production gun. Being an older gun, it is all high-grade tool-steel guts inside, before they switched to MIM junk. It's quite heavy since the frame is also stainless steel.  It is nearly as easy to shoot accurately as the Les Baer at distances under 20 yards. It is heavier than the 1911, has very little recoil, and is the easiest of the three to rapid-fire. It has a great tactical rail you can mount a light on for home defense, along with its very good stock tall, blocky night sights that are very easy to pick up on, and has a decocker.  It does have a single stack magazine limiting it to 8 rounds if you want the magazine to fit flush, but I also have factory 10 rounders that stick down about 1".  It is da/sa, and I have the SA down to about 3.5 lbs clean, no creep. DA is a little heavy but very smooth, about 9 lbs, stacks a little at the end of its travel. This gun is stone reliable, ejects like a mad man, and would eat cigar butts and sea weed if I shoved 'em in the magazine along with the bullets.  It's a workhorse and a very functional, precision machine. It doesn't care what ammo you feed through it, and has never once bobbled.

The CZ 97B Cajunized has a slightly nicer trigger than the Sig, but even with the Cajun barrel bushing, it is not as accurate as the other two guns in this particular peer group.  Its sights are still stock, and could use a little improvement. It does hold two extra rounds in its double stack magazine but its grip is also the largest of the three by a big margin. Has a little more felt recoil than the Sig, but less than the Les 1911. Of course it's DA/SA, with the SA down around 3lbs and the DA at about 8 lbs.   It lacks a rail for tactical applications, and its biggest enemy is its sheer bulk and huge grip circumference, even with slim Nils grip panels on it.  It gets an extra point of "cool factor" because it is high glossy blued unit! 

In all, even though CZ's are my favorite 9mm platform, I have to give the nod to the older german Sig P220 SS in this 45acp group.  Refinement, features, function, style, finish, ergonomics, accuracy, reliability, use-ability, strength, simplicity.....I can find a few areas for improvement for upgrade in the big bulky CZ, and the 1911 is just too limited without extra capacity, without a light rail, without night sights or DA, etc etc. But I cannot fault the Sig anywhere.  All three feel and run very differently from one another, but if there could only be one 45 in the house ready to roll in the night stand, or in a skirmish, the P220 SS would get that distinction.  The only way you could screw up with the Sig in a pressure situation would be forgetting to load it beforehand LOL!  Granted, the CZ97 would be my second choice here for defense work, or the range. But taking second place in this company, and 2nd overall in the whole world of 45 acp platforms out there, is no dishonor!  I would, however,  choose the all-steel CZ97 OVER a traditional Sig P220 with an alloy frame, which I find especially undesirable in a 45acp......   

 
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Re: A rare batch of SP-01 Compacts available
« Reply #258 on: November 30, 2016, 06:10:55 PM »
Could someone do me a favor and throw one of these on a postal scale (preferable both with and without an empty mag)? I'm almost positive the advertised weight is incorrect, as it's the exact same as the standard compact.

Also, if anyone is lucky enough to own one if these and a P01, I would love to know the frame width above the grip for both.

Thanks!

When I get home I'll hang mine from my trigger pull gauge... that's the best I've got for a scale...
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Re: A rare batch of SP-01 Compacts available
« Reply #259 on: December 01, 2016, 10:04:07 AM »
Could someone do me a favor and throw one of these on a postal scale (preferable both with and without an empty mag)? I'm almost positive the advertised weight is incorrect, as it's the exact same as the standard compact.

Also, if anyone is lucky enough to own one if these and a P01, I would love to know the frame width above the grip for both.

Thanks!

When I get home I'll hang mine from my trigger pull gauge... that's the best I've got for a scale...

Ha! Your only scale being a trigger gauge shows how hard core of a gun guy you are. I use mine for all kinds of crap.

I appreciate it!

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Re: A rare batch of SP-01 Compacts available
« Reply #260 on: December 01, 2016, 10:27:35 AM »
Could someone do me a favor and throw one of these on a postal scale (preferable both with and without an empty mag)? I'm almost positive the advertised weight is incorrect, as it's the exact same as the standard compact.

Also, if anyone is lucky enough to own one if these and a P01, I would love to know the frame width above the grip for both.

Thanks!

Without magazine: 2lbs 3.5 oz or 35.5 oz
With magazine: 2lbs 6.4 oz or 38.4 oz

As springerfanatic laughed about my trigger pull gauge being my only scale.... Yeah, yeah, truth is I have another but it's my powder scale and it seems too small. While these seem accurate there was a little variance as I hung the pistol several times. So, I'd say this could be +- 1 Oz... Just to be safe. I don't have the P-01 but we can snag that from the CZ site. Anyways, now we have it, this is one heavy little pistol at 35.5 ounces.

Last preface for those that haven't read the whole thread (it's getting long, couldn't blame ya). Mine has cz thin aluminum grips.
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Re: A rare batch of SP-01 Compacts available
« Reply #261 on: December 01, 2016, 12:08:25 PM »
    Haha I went with my friend to pick up his this afternoon and the gentleman who runs the little FFL was extremely interested. He has held other CZ's but this one caught his attention. Luckily it wasn't Cajunized yet otherwise we'd of lost another!!

    Luck wasn't on my side... My other friend called my little FFL today to have him send his information to Mr Gun Dealer to process his SP-01 Compact order. They started chatting because the dealer remembered the pistol and mentioned he jumped online and ordered one after I was there picking up the last one.
    So... that's
  • 1 I ordered
  • 1 my first friend ordered
  • 1 ordered by my FFL when he felt my friends
  • 1 ordered by my second friend
  • With 1 to be ordered by my aunt
  • Viking499 blames me too
  • RNA joins the club 

PS -  If your wives ask why you got one you can just blame me and you're names will even be on the official list of my victims...

These are the most contagious pistol I have ever seen! WARNING, simple contact is likely to cause purchase, shooting is nearly a guarantee. Handle with caution!!! 1911 fans seem highly susceptible to only handling. People who have mostly shot light and small polymer pistols seem very susceptible to shooting it. As always, remember this warning is really a plea to get the rate of purchase to slow down so I can buy a second for myself, I am being totally selfish, it's true.
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Re: A rare batch of SP-01 Compacts available
« Reply #262 on: December 01, 2016, 12:14:51 PM »
    Haha I went with my friend to pick up his this afternoon and the gentleman who runs the little FFL was extremely interested. He has held other CZ's but this one caught his attention. Luckily it wasn't Cajunized yet otherwise we'd of lost another!!

    Luck wasn't on my side... My other friend called my little FFL today to have him send his information to Mr Gun Dealer to process his SP-01 Compact order. They started chatting because the dealer remembered the pistol and mentioned he jumped online and ordered one after I was there picking up the last one.
    So... that's
  • 1 I ordered
  • 1 my first friend ordered
  • 1 ordered by my FFL when he felt my friends
  • 1 ordered by my second friend
  • With 1 to be ordered by my aunt



And another for you......

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Re: A rare batch of SP-01 Compacts available
« Reply #263 on: December 01, 2016, 12:36:37 PM »
Same here -- ordered a couple of days ago. Pretty much my grail gun since i shoot my PCR just as well as my SP01, but disagree philosophically with aluminum framed guns. Plus the accessory rail for a weapons light, which i believe all fighting guns should possess. Now to pony up for a CZ Custom hammer and CGW components.

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Re: A rare batch of SP-01 Compacts available
« Reply #264 on: December 01, 2016, 12:52:59 PM »
And another for you......

Same here -- ordered a couple of days ago.

Ahh... Well congratulations!!! With a tinge of jealousy that wasn't me placing those orders,  O0. As before, I highly recommend polishing these up and throwing in a Race Hammer or Competition Hammer. Just exquisite!
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Re: A rare batch of SP-01 Compacts available
« Reply #265 on: December 01, 2016, 07:58:45 PM »
Could someone do me a favor and throw one of these on a postal scale (preferable both with and without an empty mag)? I'm almost positive the advertised weight is incorrect, as it's the exact same as the standard compact.

Also, if anyone is lucky enough to own one if these and a P01, I would love to know the frame width above the grip for both.

Thanks!

Without magazine: 2lbs 3.5 oz or 35.5 oz
With magazine: 2lbs 6.4 oz or 38.4 oz

As springerfanatic laughed about my trigger pull gauge being my only scale.... Yeah, yeah, truth is I have another but it's my powder scale and it seems too small. While these seem accurate there was a little variance as I hung the pistol several times. So, I'd say this could be +- 1 Oz... Just to be safe. I don't have the P-01 but we can snag that from the CZ site. Anyways, now we have it, this is one heavy little pistol at 35.5 ounces.

Last preface for those that haven't read the whole thread (it's getting long, couldn't blame ya). Mine has cz thin aluminum grips.

Awesome thanks! I guess I won't be buying one as a primary carry gun... but that doesn't mean I won't be buying one. :)

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Re: A rare batch of SP-01 Compacts available
« Reply #266 on: December 01, 2016, 09:18:01 PM »
Anyone have an idea what one will weigh w/ VZ or Lok grips..? Pick mine up on Monday and will break it down and add the Cajun full-on works and Dawson sights... wondering if it'll make weight (37oz) w/ rubber-base-pad mags to be legit to shoot IDPA CCP with it (if I swap grips too)?
(P.S. I don't really care about the games too much these days, but since I'll carry it, CCP might be the the division I'd shoot it in; though, I'd doubt it'd hold me back in SSP or whatever anyways...)
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Re: A rare batch of SP-01 Compacts available
« Reply #267 on: December 02, 2016, 11:27:01 AM »
Anyone have an idea what one will weigh w/ VZ or Lok grips..? Pick mine up on Monday and will break it down and add the Cajun full-on works and Dawson sights... wondering if it'll make weight (37oz) w/ rubber-base-pad mags to be legit to shoot IDPA CCP with it (if I swap grips too)?
(P.S. I don't really care about the games too much these days, but since I'll carry it, CCP might be the the division I'd shoot it in; though, I'd doubt it'd hold me back in SSP or whatever anyways...)

IDPA has changed the specs on CCP in the Provisional 2017 Rule Book. Weight is now 38 oz plus barrel and height dimensions have changed.
8.2.4.1.3 Barrel length 4 3/8" (4.375", 111.125mm) or less.
8.2.4.1.4 The unloaded firearm with the heaviest magazine must weigh 38.00 oz. (1077.28 grams) or less.
8.2.4.1.5 The firearm with the largest magazine inserted must fit in the IDPA gun test box measuring 7 ?? x 5 3/8? x
1 3/8? (222.3 mm x 136.525 mm x 34mm)

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Re: A rare batch of SP-01 Compacts available
« Reply #268 on: December 02, 2016, 11:30:12 AM »
Sorry if this has been asked and answered. Eighteen pages is a lot to look through. Does the SP-01 Compact have a beveled magwell like the SP-01?

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Re: A rare batch of SP-01 Compacts available
« Reply #269 on: December 02, 2016, 11:49:42 AM »
Sorry if this has been asked and answered. Eighteen pages is a lot to look through. Does the SP-01 Compact have a beveled magwell like the SP-01?

Sorry my pics are too dark to tell. When I get home this evening I will check for ya.
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