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Offline Mramistr

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Mag issue fixed?
« on: November 16, 2016, 01:24:04 AM »
I recently purchased a scorpion pistol and I ordered some magazines from cheaperthandirt, all of them are dated May 2016. I called cz before I made my purchase and they said magazines made after January of 2016 were gtg, but I'm still concerned because of all the stories on here and other sites. I haven't really read any problems with the 2016 mags, is the problem fixed?

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Re: Mag issue fixed?
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2016, 03:10:33 AM »
Has anyone heard of any cracks with the 2016 magazines?

Offline Valk

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Re: Mag issue fixed?
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2016, 03:31:03 AM »
I'll refer you to this thread and say this much: as far as we can tell, some changes have been made to the magazine design, but it's hard to say whether or not the problem has been solved for good at the moment. Only recently have we even become aware of the existence of two different magazine styles, and it's been hard to get everyone to tell us whether or not their failures have been with the old "A" type or the new "B" type magazines as a result (especially since most people were shipping them back to CZ with extreme haste out of fears that the election would bring about a ban-friendly government).

That said, I'm curious to know what exactly CZ told you. They've been pretty mum every time I've pressed them for information about mold and polymer formula changes; all I've gotten from them is a stock "this is a very rare issue and we'll replace broken mags" response. They certainly never gave me a production start date for improved mags.

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Re: Mag issue fixed?
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2016, 04:11:58 AM »
I talked to a customer service representative that said it was fixed, she forwarded me to parts who said that they made some changes and that any mags after January of 2016 were fixed. He specified about the thickening of the feed lips. Have you heard any reports of cracked 2016 mags, I haven't really seen any. Worth mentioning is I also emailed cz twice for confirmation and never got any response, so for any more info just call them, email is useless.
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Re: Mag issue fixed?
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2016, 08:14:12 AM »
I've read through most of the threads on here about the magazines, what I haven't read is whether or not anyone has had issues with the 2016 mags. It seams as though pretty much all of the broken mags were either 2014 or 2015. Has anyone read of any issues with the 2016?

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Re: Mag issue fixed?
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2016, 09:27:12 AM »
I talked to a customer service representative that said it was fixed, she forwarded me to tech who said that they made some changes and that any mags after January of 2016 were fixed. He specified about the thickening of the feed lips. Have you heard any reports of cracked 2016 mags, I haven't really seen any. Worth mentioning is I also emailed cz twice for confirmation and never got any response, so for any more info just call them, email is useless.

If they made this statement, it implies that they are acknowledging that there was a problem with the mags prior to Jan 2016. Having said this, it stands to reason that they shouldn't have a problem exchanging all old mags whether they are cracked or not.

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Re: Mag issue fixed?
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2016, 10:54:34 AM »
I talked to a customer service representative that said it was fixed, she forwarded me to tech who said that they made some changes and that any mags after January of 2016 were fixed. He specified about the thickening of the feed lips. Have you heard any reports of cracked 2016 mags, I haven't really seen any. Worth mentioning is I also emailed cz twice for confirmation and never got any response, so for any more info just call them, email is useless.

If they made this statement, it implies that they are acknowledging that there was a problem with the mags prior to Jan 2016. Having said this, it stands to reason that they shouldn't have a problem exchanging all old mags whether they are cracked or not.

They told me that they would replace them only if they were broken. I guess they would rather take there chances and maybe not have to replace them all. I'm still curious if anyone has had the newer mags crack or if they did fix it. Realistically its ridiculous that you even have to worry about this with an $800 gun. I mean $150 hi-points don't have this issue.

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Re: Mag issue fixed?
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2016, 01:30:07 PM »
It's looking more and more like I was right on the money regarding the design change with every bit of new info. As I've mentioned elsewhere, CZ is already having a hard time keeping up with demand for new mags, especially 30 rounders. I think their reluctance to issue a recall over the older mags in favor of simply replacing them as they fail is just a way for them to avoid getting their inventory zeroed out for new mag bodies for the next few months or longer as every distributor, retailer, and end-user floods them with mags that technically still work but have a more failure-prone design.

I agree that the mags should have been good to go from day 1, but at the same time, things like this do happen in the gun world, especially with newer designs. Even Glock has fallen on their face once or twice. At least in our case, we'll only need to replace a $20 magazine instead of getting taken for a ride like Sig MPX Gen 1 owners did, for example. I'm just glad Hillary didn't win or this would be a far more urgent and potentially unsolvable problem. CZ really lucked out in that respect.

As for 2016 Type B magazines cracking, the only examples I can think of were part of copenhagen's testing, where the degradation of the polymer was caused by a chemical reaction to Militec-1. The "control" mags and those sprayed with Ballistol held up just fine staying loaded over the course of a month. I've also got a loaded Type B in my nightstand that's been there for about a month and a half and doesn't appear to be failing either.

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Re: Mag issue fixed?
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2016, 09:41:56 PM »
I have to admit thats another thing that has concerned me. I don't oil my mags but I use Hoppes gun oil on the gun. obviously the mag is gonna touch some of that oil when its in the gun, would the hoppes cause any problems?

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Re: Mag issue fixed?
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2016, 12:46:36 AM »
I have to admit thats another thing that has concerned me. I don't oil my mags but I use Hoppes gun oil on the gun. obviously the mag is gonna touch some of that oil when its in the gun, would the hoppes cause any problems?

Don't know for sure. I'd just avoid getting harsh cleaners on it and wipe the mags down with a clean towel once you're done for the day. I'm personally just planning to use Ballistol exclusively for lube on the Evo.

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Re: Mag issue fixed?
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2016, 01:55:44 AM »
I sent an email to hopes with my concern, I'll post when/if I get a response.

Offline Mramistr

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Re: Mag issue fixed?
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2016, 02:09:00 AM »
I did a little more reading on the militec and it seems that a lot of people complained of it being rough on polymer even before the scorpion. Most of them say because its chlorinated. I can't find what hoppes ingredients are, but hopefully this information will help someone. I have also read negative things about remoil, but i don't use that anyway.

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Re: Mag issue fixed?
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2016, 08:15:47 AM »
what about Breakfree  CLP ?

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Re: Mag issue fixed?
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2016, 08:43:21 AM »
what about Breakfree  CLP ?

I didn't read anything specific, but you could check to see if it has any chlorine ingredients, from what I'm reading that's the issue with militec.

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Re: Mag issue fixed?
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2016, 02:33:56 PM »
< what about Breakfree CLP? >

Here's its MSDS, FWIW:
http://sds.chemtel.net/webclients/safariland/finished_goods/Break-Free%20CLP%20Liquid.pdf

From this site:
http://safariland.chemtel.net/FinishedGoods.php

I've been using it on my Scorpion but only for six months and my mags don't spend a lot of time in the mag well. Not enough time/exposure/data to determine any effect. My pedestrian belief is that it's OK but I'm no chemist.