Ahh, I should have clarified...I was looking at the wood grips they offer for the TZ75, P9, and 9mm Witness. I never noticed the lack of a "toe" on the panel. That does make it less appealing. So far I haven't seen any from any of our resident carvers that had the checkering I like. Unfortunately, I didn't check the grip screws on the 38 Super I bought, and someone in the past tightened them enough to start a crack. 200 rounds was enough to break it the rest of the way.