Which CZ 75 is best for IDPA SSP and USPSA Production

[OlympicFox]

Hi folks, after years of shooting everything but a CZ, my friends have been nudging me gently to pop for a CZ 75.

My problem is that I'm overwhelmed by the plethora of CZ models, complicated by the rather well-known challenge CZs have had being IDPA-legal. The 2015 rules got rid of the weight problem and the 2017 rules eliminated the full-length dust cover problem, however there still seems to be considerable dispute within IDPA regarding models such as the SP-01 Shadow Target model.

I'd like to get the most competitive model possible, but it needs to be IDPA-legal in the SSP division.

Suggestions?

[3-gun]

i never could figure out what gun is in what class. i just tell them what I got and shoot.

[speedseeker]

Unless your shooting one of the Tupperware guns it's still confusing to me. Someone recently informed me that the SP-01 Shadow was now legal in SSP but I'm honestly not sure. Am guessing the Shadow 2 is not legal. 


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[mattism78]

Unless your shooting one of the Tupperware guns it's still confusing to me. Someone recently informed me that the SP-01 Shadow was now legal in SSP but I'm honestly not sure. Am guessing the Shadow 2 is not legal. 


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From what I understand the Shadow 2 is not legal yet. The gun was designed to be a production class gun it just hasn't made it through the approval process yet.

[steel]

My opinion, buy a stock CZ 75B or SP-01 and add parts as your requirements and budget allows.  I am partial to my stainless 75B due to corrosion resistance and resistance to wear from repeated draws.

Don't make the mistake of buying a pistol which is not on the IDPA list in anticipation of it becoming legal in the future.  I bought a Shadow T from CZC for SSP.  It was perfectly legal for SSP when I purchased it.  IDPA changed the requirements and it is no longer legal in SSP.  It is still legal in CDP however.

In local matches I wouldn't be too concerned.  I would shoot what I wanted to.


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[OlympicFox]

My opinion, buy a stock CZ 75B or SP-01 and add parts as your requirements and budget allows.  I am partial to my stainless 75B due to corrosion resistance and resistance to wear from repeated draws.

Don't make the mistake of buying a pistol which is not on the IDPA list in anticipation of it becoming legal in the future.  I bought a Shadow T from CZC for SSP.  It was perfectly legal for SSP when I purchased it.  IDPA changed the requirements and it is no longer legal in SSP.  It is still legal in CDP however.

In local matches I wouldn't be too concerned.  I would shoot what I wanted to.

Unfortunately, there are problems with this approach.

• I'd rather get a pre-B version of the CZ 75 for the better trigger.
• Adding parts to a gun is generally not allowed in the SSP division, especially if the part is visible.
• Adding parts to a gun to make it more competitive is invariably more expensive than buying a competition model that already includes those parts. This is especially true even with some allowable parts such as an adjustable rear sight.
• I'm not interested in building another ESP gun where those changes might be legal. I've already got several excellent ESP guns. I'm looking for a steel gun to replace my polymer M&P 9 Pro.

If only IDPA published a list of approved guns for SSP division like USPSA does for their Production division. That would make life for the competitor so much easier. Instead IDPA leaves the issue subject to the discretion of the Match Director.

Personalities become involved in the process as some MDs strive to look at things as legal unless specifically outlawed in the rules, while others seem to look at things as illegal until proven innocent. As an IDPA MD and Chief Safety Officer, I'm in the first camp - the gun is legal until proven otherwise.

Don't make the mistake of buying a pistol which is not on the IDPA list in anticipation of it becoming legal in the future.

You mean like when I built up a S&W M&P 9c for the BUG division? Not in anticipation of a future rule, but per the then current rule. Even shot it in the BUG Nationals & legitimately classified EX with it. Then the rule changed, so last Spring I bought an M&P Shield 45 to serve as my "classifier gun". One single gun that I could use to maintain my required annual classification in all 5 semi-auto divisions. Rule change. Only good for 4 divisions now. Been there, done that. No T-shirts. 

In local matches I wouldn't be too concerned.  I would shoot what I wanted to.

Yeah, I could do that. But, how does that look when the Match Director cheats by shooting a gun in SSP that's not SSP-legal?

[steel]

Sounds like you already have your mind made up.


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[sleepyhead]

You're safest bet for IDPA at least, might be just a plane jane 75b model, or as you mentioned a pre b model with the cgw adjustable sear, milled shadow hammer or the czc production hammer, their trigger return spring, 13 lb hammer spring and if you want a 85c trigger. Technically I think you can even do the extended magazine release as it's also a stock part. The trigger is a stock cz part as are the two hammers. Otherwise there are no other externally visible modifications, and no worry about the full length dust cover. The cost is fairly minimal, and all parts can be installed by yourself.

[OlympicFox]

You're safest bet for IDPA at least, might be just a plane jane 75b model, or as you mentioned a pre b model with the cgw adjustable sear, milled shadow hammer or the czc production hammer, their trigger return spring, 13 lb hammer spring and if you want a 85c trigger. Technically I think you can even do the extended magazine release as it's also a stock part. The trigger is a stock cz part as are the two hammers. Otherwise there are no other externally visible modifications, and no worry about the full length dust cover. The cost is fairly minimal, and all parts can be installed by yourself.

After spending some time on the phone with CZ Custom, I'm pretty well set on getting a CZ 75 SP01 Shadow Custom. As I'm understanding this one, it is a pre-B CZ 75 SP01 Shadow with assorted performance parts already installed by CZ custom, but since the parts are OEM and available on other models of production CZs, it's legal to use those parts in SSP. Much like it's IDPA legal to use a Glock 34 slide stop or mag release in a G19.

[tpalmer70@gmail.com]

From what I've gathered including an email from Robert Ray @ IDPA to clarify, any deviation from a stock CZ Shadow I (91154 or 91155) with CZC or CGW that was not made by CZ in Czech would disqualify the gun for SSP and it would need to compete in ESP for IDPA. Trace

[Raven45]

I would be interested in hearing details regarding the legality of a CZ 75 SP01 Shadow from their shop and it's use in the SSP Division in IDPA.  I know that there are quite a few of these pistols being used in IDPA competition at Level 1 matches locally.

Would you (Trace) be willing to share the email from Robert Ray you referenced?

[tpalmer70@gmail.com]

Email requested - "It can be tough to say with CZ as what they do in the US is sometimes different than what they do overseas on the same named gun. Looking at the link you provided, it looks ok for SSP. The question I would have is the listed features like the serrated front strap. Are they that way form the factory or do they go to the "CZ Custom Shop" to acquire those features. If they are factory then no issue, if "custom shop" then ESP. Same thing goes for the rear sight. If the Novak style sight goes in the existing slide cut, no issues. If the slide is recut for that sight, ESP." link: https://www.czub.cz/en/produkty/pistole/standard/cz-75-sp-01-shadow.html

What I'v ascertained to qualify for SSP - if the OEM part is modified/honed/altered/cut/reduced/fitted/etc. in any way other than normal wear then its considered an ESP handgun (polished is acceptable without changing the part's original tolerances).  OEM parts are "Made in Czech Republic" for the CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow 91154 and other CZ handguns.

[Kaufdrop27]

Hi folks, after years of shooting everything but a CZ, my friends have been nudging me gently to pop for a CZ 75.

My problem is that I'm overwhelmed by the plethora of CZ models, complicated by the rather well-known challenge CZs have had being IDPA-legal. The 2015 rules got rid of the weight problem and the 2017 rules eliminated the full-length dust cover problem, however there still seems to be considerable dispute within IDPA regarding models such as the SP-01 Shadow Target model.

I'd like to get the most competitive model possible, but it needs to be IDPA-legal in the SSP division.

Suggestions?

SP01 Shadow if you want the best gun for both.

[recoilguy]

Yeah, I could do that. But, how does that look when the Match Director cheats by shooting a gun in SSP that's not SSP-legal?

I agree whole heartedly and I say Yeah but how does that look when anyone cheats. You might not have to worry but its still cheating even in a local match.

RCG

[scroadkill]

I'd like to get the most competitive model possible, but it needs to be IDPA-legal in the SSP division.

Suggestions?

go to a match and see what the division winners are using.. ask them.