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Offline murk23

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Re: P10C issues
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2017, 11:11:36 PM »
It's isolated to hollow points and with partially loaded mags.  It would chamber if they were full but only if they were full.  I didn't encounter the problem at all with ball ammo so if your basing it on what your seeing with ball ammo than you probably won't encounter the problem.  I'm trying to carry the gun so issues with two of the most popular carry loads are a definite no go.  The gun got to the point I found it difficult to not get it to auto forward.  Apparently people are seeing various frequency with it auto forwarding. Probably contingent upon round count and use.

Offline Str8t-Shooter

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Re: P10C issues
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2017, 04:35:51 PM »
I'd be interested to know if you got your P10c back and how it's doing.  Did they give you a rundown on replaced parts?  I'm considering sending mine back, as well.  I really dislike the auto forward "feature".  From emailing with CZ, they say they don't advertise the auto forward because all of them don't do it...

Offline Bossgobbler

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Re: P10C issues
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2017, 05:21:34 PM »
I love the auto forward " feature" and everyone that has shot my P-10 likes the feature.  You can avoid the auto forward by not inserting the mag hard.

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Re: P10C issues
« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2017, 05:50:39 PM »
Any semi automatic pistol will send the slide forward if you slam the mag in hard enough in the magwell.  Kind of like slapping the buttstock of an AR will send the bolt home.

The slide stop/release is held up by the friction of the slide notch.  Once the slide is jarred when seating the mag, the friction holding the slide stop/release can give way and the slide goes forward.  Some pistols are more sensitive than others.  Not a "feature" per say just the nature of semi automatic pistols.

I try and have the base of the palm of my support hand strike the bottom of my shooting hand during a reload so as not to have the slide auto forward.  David

Offline h2ofowler

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Re: P10C issues
« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2017, 10:30:06 PM »
I would have to agree that the slide going forward on a full magazine was one of the selling points for me.  It's a defense gun an does little good to have a gun with full mag and slide back.  I thought CZ designed it that way, maybe not.  Not sure why you wouldn't want it to do this???

Offline Joe Willy

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Re: P10C issues
« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2017, 10:17:35 AM »
CZ should have just cut an inch off the P-09 and called it the 10. Matter of fact that's an 07, which is a better gun the the 10c. I don't get all the love for the 10c when it's obvious that it has major issues from all the posts I'm reading here. I have the 09 and it's a far superior pistol.

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Re: P10C issues
« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2017, 11:01:27 AM »
I would have to agree that the slide going forward on a full magazine was one of the selling points for me.  It's a defense gun an does little good to have a gun with full mag and slide back.  I thought CZ designed it that way, maybe not.  Not sure why you wouldn't want it to do this???

Simple, because it's not a reliable method to load the pistol with...Now I know there's going to be a bunch of people who will disagree with me,claiming they can do it each and every time. That's ok on a square range, but what happens when it's not, and someone is shooting at you? Once at a class I took, we were doing reload drills, from low-ready shoot two rnds at target, reload and shoot two more, guy beside me was shooting a M&P, shot his first two rounds, slammed a mag in hard in a effort to auto forward, the pistol did'nt, instead of pulling the slide release, or pulling the slide back and releasing, he kept slamming the bottom of the mag, until the instructor stopped him, and used this as a example as to why relying on auto forwarding to work was a bad idea. Besides, show me a decent instructor who reccommends this as a viable method. Anyone who does, is someone who I would'nt take training from.

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Re: P10C issues
« Reply #22 on: July 13, 2017, 01:33:35 PM »
Those of us that like the auto slide slam when slamming in a MAG don't rely on it we're just happy that it does that . I believe most of us know that if it doesn't slide when slammed we need to release it or pull the slide. The auto slamming slide is just a plus not  " instead of"pulling the slide. Anybody that relies on the auto slam is a fool. That's like not practicing for an FTF cuz you don't think it'll ever happen.
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Re: P10C issues
« Reply #23 on: July 13, 2017, 02:05:03 PM »
I would have to agree that the slide going forward on a full magazine was one of the selling points for me.  It's a defense gun an does little good to have a gun with full mag and slide back.  I thought CZ designed it that way, maybe not.  Not sure why you wouldn't want it to do this???

Simple, because it's not a reliable method to load the pistol with...Now I know there's going to be a bunch of people who will disagree with me,claiming they can do it each and every time. That's ok on a square range, but what happens when it's not, and someone is shooting at you? Once at a class I took, we were doing reload drills, from low-ready shoot two rnds at target, reload and shoot two more, guy beside me was shooting a M&P, shot his first two rounds, slammed a mag in hard in a effort to auto forward, the pistol did'nt, instead of pulling the slide release, or pulling the slide back and releasing, he kept slamming the bottom of the mag, until the instructor stopped him, and used this as a example as to why relying on auto forwarding to work was a bad idea. Besides, show me a decent instructor who reccommends this as a viable method. Anyone who does, is someone who I would'nt take training from.
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Re: P10C issues
« Reply #24 on: July 13, 2017, 02:08:00 PM »
Those of us that like the auto slide slam when slamming in a MAG don't rely on it we're just happy that it does that . I believe most of us know that if it doesn't slide when slammed we need to release it or pull the slide. The auto slamming slide is just a plus not  " instead of"pulling the slide. Anybody that relies on the auto slam is a fool. That's like not practicing for an FTF cuz you don't think it'll ever happen.
I suspect people (myself included) tend to default the thier 'last known good configuration'.

Take light strikes as an example, how many of us tap and rack as a 1st port of call and not do the whole  'click click click click aaaaahhhh!' thing as so often heard on the ranges?

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Re: P10C issues
« Reply #25 on: July 13, 2017, 05:24:55 PM »
Those of us that like the auto slide slam when slamming in a MAG don't rely on it we're just happy that it does that . I believe most of us know that if it doesn't slide when slammed we need to release it or pull the slide. The auto slamming slide is just a plus not  " instead of"pulling the slide. Anybody that relies on the auto slam is a fool. That's like not practicing for an FTF cuz you don't think it'll ever happen.

Well, there are people who think auto forwarding is a viable method of reloading the pistol, like the fool in my post above. As long as one understands that it is at best, a novel trick, which could be used say, at a match to shave a few seconds off your time, or to impress your friends, (somewhere, where the worst that  could happen is you get a few seconds shaved off your time, or you look a little foolish if it dosen't work right) then, by all means have fun with it. Myself, I prefer pistols that don't do it easily. I tried to get my P-10 to do it  and I could'nt  make it do it. But, that's fine by me.
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Re: P10C issues
« Reply #26 on: July 13, 2017, 07:08:22 PM »
"Auto forward"...

If you understand physics and components of Force then "auto forward" threads and comments die as they should.


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Re: P10C issues
« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2017, 01:42:02 AM »
I never, ever bet on a sidearm going automatically into battery with a full magazine inserted unless the firearm was designed to do so. I really don't know of one actually designed from the ground up to do that, but there might be one. I also have for some years about going "over the top" to release the slide, so that's no big deal for me either.
Joe Willy, have you fired a P-10C? I agree - the P-09 and P-07 are incredible pistols. My P-09 rides with me often. :)

Offline Joe Willy

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Re: P10C issues
« Reply #28 on: July 14, 2017, 05:42:25 PM »
@armoredman
Joe Willy, have you fired a P-10C? I agree - the P-09 and P-07 are incredible pistols. My P-09 rides with me often. :)
Yes, I tried the P10 and didn't care for it. The P-09 is my favorite CZ by far.

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Re: P10C issues
« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2017, 06:21:30 PM »
Fair enough. :) Right now the P-10C and the P-09 are in the safe - the Phantom rides again!  ;D