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Re: Alliant Sport Pistol
« Reply #30 on: July 09, 2017, 05:44:22 PM »
Update. Today I fired the most accurate 9mm load I have ever tried. 4.3 of Sport Pistol with an RMR 124 grain hollow point loaded to 1.130 with Winchester primers. 5 rounds went almost in the same hole at 25 yards, absolutely no smoke and nothing has ever been cleaner burning. I tried this load with 3 different guns, Shadow, CZ 75 Pre-B with 10X and my P-09. All 3 guns produced nearly identical groups. The new RMR jacketed hollow points in combination with the new Sport Pistol is an absolute winner. And to add, very soft shooting. My search is over.

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Re: Alliant Sport Pistol
« Reply #31 on: July 09, 2017, 09:39:46 PM »
Update. Today I fired the most accurate 9mm load I have ever tried. 4.3 of Sport Pistol with an RMR 124 grain hollow point loaded to 1.130 with Winchester primers. 5 rounds went almost in the same hole at 25 yards, absolutely no smoke and nothing has ever been cleaner burning. I tried this load with 3 different guns, Shadow, CZ 75 Pre-B with 10X and my P-09. All 3 guns produced nearly identical groups. The new RMR jacketed hollow points in combination with the new Sport Pistol is an absolute winner. And to add, very soft shooting. My search is over.

This doesn't help my "needs" list... Now I "need" those bullets to go with this powder!
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Re: Alliant Sport Pistol
« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2017, 09:16:52 AM »
Yes, you guys are not helping my bank account! I just picked up 8# of HP-38 and 1K RMR 124 gr FMJ, now I'm trying to rationalize some Sport Pistol and JHP...
« Last Edit: July 10, 2017, 09:31:53 AM by baldrage »

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Re: Alliant Sport Pistol
« Reply #33 on: July 18, 2017, 12:41:35 PM »
Update. Today I fired the most accurate 9mm load I have ever tried. 4.3 of Sport Pistol with an RMR 124 grain hollow point loaded to 1.130 with Winchester primers. 5 rounds went almost in the same hole at 25 yards

Just saw Bowenbuilt, a guy over at the Benos forums who I know to do lots and lots of meticulous load testing, describe Alliant Sport Pistol as:

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...accurate as hell with most any jacketed bullet i have tried it with.


I need to lose some of the powder I have to make room for a newcomer. 

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Re: Alliant Sport Pistol
« Reply #34 on: July 18, 2017, 12:47:44 PM »
The thread at Benos was not about Sport Pistol, so no reason to link the whole thread here.  It would be woefully off-topic, but if you would like to see the entire post by Bowenbuilt that I quoted from:

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i just started using Sport Pistol because when the air got muggy with lots of humidity both Prima V and Clean Shot started smoking like a freight train. Sport Pistol is very low smoke and loads just like N320. Fills the case nicely, is relatively clean like 320, low flash and low report and is accurate as hell with most any jacketed bullet i have tried it with. It is priced about the same as Promo and it meters very well. If the boys at ATK were shooting for a cheap N320 i'd say they nailed it.

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Re: Alliant Sport Pistol
« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2017, 02:27:45 PM »
Shot more than 500 rounds today in practice doing Bill Drills and other stuff. The more I shoot SP the better I like it. Started with a clean gun, ended with a clean gun. No gunk, no heavy build up, no unburned power and only a light gray smoking inside the gun. Today with the light humidity absolutely no smoke. I am ordering more!This stuff is outstanding!

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Re: Alliant Sport Pistol
« Reply #36 on: August 04, 2017, 11:43:46 PM »
Thought I would respond to this thread for my data on Alliant Sport Pistol loads. I have to say I am very happy with the results of these loads. I loaded 3.6 and 3.7 grains of Sport Pistol with a 135 grain Black Bullet International HI TEK coated round nose bullet. Accuracy was very good. Below is my chronograph data from this evening for those who are interested.

Equipment
Created: 08/04/17 05:40 PM                     
Pistol:         CZ P09
OAL:           1.120"
Primer:                   Win SPP
Powder:                  3.6gr Alliant Sport Pistol
Distance to Chrono: 12.00ft
Ballistic Coefficient:  0.135
Bullet Weight(gr):    135gr Black Bullet Int, Hi-Tek coated
Temp:                     78°F
BP:                         28.14 inHg
Altitude:                 800.00

#   FPS      FT-LBS   PF
10   990      293.85  133.65 
9     982      289.12  132.57 
8     992      295.03  133.92 
7     995      296.82  134.32 
6     993      295.63  134.05 
5     982      289.12  132.57 
4     991      294.44  133.79 
3     989      293.25  133.51 
2     992      295.03  133.92 
1     982      289.12  132.57 

Average: 988.8 FPS
SD: 5.0 FPS
Min: 982 FPS
Max: 995 FPS
Spread: 13 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.5
True MV: 996 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00
« Last Edit: January 27, 2020, 04:00:45 PM by Wobbly »

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Re: Alliant Sport Pistol
« Reply #37 on: August 04, 2017, 11:45:40 PM »
Here is my chronograph data for 3.7 grains of Sport Pistol. Shot this evening as well.

Equipment:
Created: 08/04/17 05:38 PM
Pistol:         CZ P 09
Powder:      3.7gr Alliant Sport Pistol
OAL:           1.120"
Primer:                   Win SPP
Distance to Chrono: 12.00 ft
Ballistic Coefficient:  0.135
Bullet Weight(gr):    135gr Black Bullet Intl, Hi-Tek coated
Temp:                    79°F
BP:                        28.14 inHg
Altitude:                 800.00

# FPS    FT-LBS     PF
10  1017    310.09  137.29 
9    1019    311.31  137.57 
8    1013    307.66  136.76 
7    1018    310.70  137.43 
6    1022    313.15  137.97 
5    1008    304.63  136.08 
4    1003    301.61  135.40 
3    1024    314.38  138.24 
2    1008    304.63  136.08 
1    1003    301.61  135.40 

Average: 1013.5 FPS
SD: 7.6 FPS
Min: 1003 FPS
Max: 1024 FPS
Spread: 21 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.5
True MV: 1021 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00
« Last Edit: January 27, 2020, 03:59:58 PM by Wobbly »

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Re: Alliant Sport Pistol
« Reply #38 on: August 09, 2017, 03:57:40 PM »
was there a difference in accuracy between 3.6 and 3.7? 
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Re: Alliant Sport Pistol
« Reply #39 on: August 12, 2017, 11:32:55 PM »
sorry for the late reply. i did not notice any difference in accuracy. I was shooting off hand though.

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Re: Alliant Sport Pistol
« Reply #40 on: March 07, 2018, 09:25:03 PM »
It finally arrived...



This stuff is a flattened ball powder with a graphite coating. It looks a lot like W231, but the flecks are smaller and vary somewhat in size. It's like they use 3 different flake making machines to make the product. Anyway, this photo looks different to me than the one at the beginning of this thread. Here's a photo of the product received today in the Alliant bottle cap...





It does meter very good. I need more test time to say more than that.

• Particle size is such that it does not "leak" from a standard Dillon powder measure.

• The load data shows it being as frugal to use as W231/HP-38. Loads for typical 124gr JHP seem to be in the 4.0 to 4.1gr arena.

• Packaging is in the standard Alliant cylindrical plastic bottle. Weight is 1 lb. Bottle is approximately 3/4 full when new, meaning this is a powder of average density.

Case fill is excellent in 9x19mm. Shown below is 4.2gr in a Luger case. Just enough to prevent a double charge, but not enough to slosh out in a merry-go-round progressive...



I've got my incremental loads worked up with Precision Delta 124gr JHP seated to 1.100", 3.8gr to 4.4gr in 0.1gr increments.



I'll report back on Sunday with results.

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« Last Edit: December 11, 2019, 08:42:19 AM by Wobbly »
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Re: Alliant Sport Pistol powder
« Reply #41 on: March 07, 2018, 10:17:38 PM »
Good info all so far.
Easy to meter.
Good load spread.
Previous chrono results looked well-behaved.  Looking forward to Wobbly's results to compare with the 124 JHP PDs.
......cleanliness,/spent case codition
......muzzle flash
......accuracy:.(not optimal when chronoing but a sense of potential works)
......heat?

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Re: Alliant Sport Pistol powder
« Reply #42 on: March 08, 2018, 02:02:59 PM »
Just picked up some at Bruno?s in Phoenix. They asked what?s going on this stuff is flying off the shelf. I?m going to load up a ladder this weekend using Berry?s 124gr HBRN starting at 3.8 and working up, OAL will be 1.125. Does this sound right?

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Re: Alliant Sport Pistol powder
« Reply #43 on: March 08, 2018, 02:40:30 PM »
Just picked up some at Bruno?s in Phoenix. They asked what?s going on this stuff is flying off the shelf. I?m going to load up a ladder this weekend using Berry?s 124gr HBRN starting at 3.8 and working up, OAL will be 1.125. Does this sound right?

Based on what Berry's says on the page for that bullet:
https://www.berrysmfg.com/item/bp-9mm-356-124gr-hbrn-tp
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"The bullet profile is longer but the weight remains the same and you can load these bullets using any published load data for a jacketed bullet as long as it is the same weight bullet." 

Then referring to the Alliant load data here:
http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/powderlist.aspx?type=1&powderid=42&cartridge=23

124 gr FMJ
Min OAL: 1.12
Max Charge Weight: 4.5 gr
Reduce by 10% and start from there. 90% of 4.5 gr is 4.05 gr, so your starting charge appears that it would be lower and a safe starting point.

*****BUT......
Berry's has some confusing language on their site about using FMJ or lead data. The reloading pros on here might give you additional guidance...

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Alliant lists load data for the Speer 124 gr RN TMJ, which is seen here:
https://www.speer-ammo.com/bullets/handgun-bullets/tmj-handgun-plinking-bullets/355/355-124-tmj-bullet

That load data is different and Ive read that the Speer TMJ is a thicker plating than what Berry's normally uses. That is just what I've read, and I haven't called the manufacturers. That being said you can give that load a try. It is a longer OAL... That is what I will definitely defer to the pros on here to see what they say.

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Re: Alliant Sport Pistol powder
« Reply #44 on: March 08, 2018, 04:17:31 PM »
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*****BUT......
Berry's has some confusing language on their site about using FMJ or lead data. The reloading pros on here might give you additional guidance...

The HBRN-TP bullets are "thick plated" and Berry Bullets rated to 1500FPS.  I use these for my "Practice Self Defense Loads" at around 1200 fps' same as the more expensive Speer 124 gr Gold Dots in my EDC.

I've shot many thousands of the BRY 124 HBRN-TP.  The only difference in load results I've seen is that the "Hollow Base" provides more air volume below the bullet base than than the bullet length and oal indicates.  Over a chrono it will be slightly slower than a flat base bullet of the same weight and type at the same "seating depth".
Hope this makes sense and helps. 

 

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