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Offline SquireSCA

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CZ P10C not going into battery
« on: September 14, 2017, 06:41:01 PM »
Don't see this particular issue addressed, or maybe I missed it.

Got my new P10c to the range last weekend, and I had several times where it failed to go into battery, even when I gave it a push.  I identified what was causing it.  The square plate on the back of the slide, that retains the firing pin assembly... it isn't very secure.  It wiggles up and down a couple of MM, and it was sliding down just enough to catch on the frame of the gun and stopping the slide from moving forward that last 1/4 of an inch.

if I pushed it up with my finger, it would uncatch and the slide would go all the way forward.

Upon closer inspection, it seems that this design allows that plate to wiggle around, up and down.  There is no detent or pin holding it in place... the firing pin spring itself holds it in place.

After about 100 rounds it seemed to improve, maybe it had to wear away the rough edges so not it can't really catch... the edges might be rounded a bit so it might hit the edge, but has enough force to push past it...

Before I trust this for EDC, I am wondering if this is a known issue, if there is a known fix, or do I just need to keep shooting it to break it in and get those edges rounded off so that it can't catch and hang anymore?

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Offline Bossgobbler

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Re: CZ P10C not going into battery
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2017, 06:52:51 PM »
call CZ-USA 1-800-955-4486  EX 336 ? Warranty

Offline SquireSCA

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Re: CZ P10C not going into battery
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2017, 09:50:47 PM »
So that piece having a little play in it is not normal?

Can you check for me?  Rack the slide and lock it back.  Take your finger and see if that square has any up and down play to it.  It?s not much, but it was enough to catch on the rear of the frame and stop it from going further.  The part is plastic, so I am guessing that the sharp edge or any ?lip?has worn down a little so it is no longer catching.

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Re: CZ P10C not going into battery
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2017, 06:08:07 AM »
I have heard of this from other shooters and am wondering about it. I would love to try the new CZC slide covers, (with suitable engraving, of course), and see if there is any issue.

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Re: CZ P10C not going into battery
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2017, 08:29:18 AM »
I don't see anything wrong with the slide cover itself.  I think it has more to do with how it is captured and held in place.

I think that some companies use a detent lock it into place that is separate from the firing pin.  This one doesn't.  The sleeve around the pin itself, is the detent.  Well, that has some wiggle in it, because it has to move around freely in the firing pin channel so as not to bind...  That looseness, makes it a poor device to lock the slide cover in place, IMHO...

Thoughts?

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Re: CZ P10C not going into battery
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2017, 09:50:45 AM »
Here is a video of what I am talking about.  Can you guys check yours and see if your slide cover and firing pin mechanism moves around like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWjB9FSyXns

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Re: CZ P10C not going into battery
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2017, 10:59:32 AM »
Here is a video of what I am talking about.  Can you guys check yours and see if your slide cover and firing pin mechanism moves around like this?


That seems excessive.  Mine don't move nearly as much.

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Re: CZ P10C not going into battery
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2017, 11:22:36 AM »
Here is a video of what I am talking about.  Can you guys check yours and see if your slide cover and firing pin mechanism moves around like this?


That seems excessive.  Mine don't move nearly as much.

Nor does  mine, I'd guess mine moves about half as much as the OP's..

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Re: CZ P10C not going into battery
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2017, 11:51:07 AM »
I just talked to the warranty deptartment, they said that I can send it in for them to look at, but that they currently have a 4-6 week turnaround time, plus shipping times...

What to do... live with it and see if it gets better or worse over time, sell it, or send it in and hope it comes back fixed in two months?  LOL

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Re: CZ P10C not going into battery
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2017, 12:10:50 PM »
Here is what is happening.  You can see where if that piece moves down enough, it catches on the frame.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5o_i0zrAYHqR29KYVlZcXRPZDA/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5o_i0zrAYHqN2ExZ1dBYVJjWk0/view?usp=sharing

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Re: CZ P10C not going into battery
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2017, 11:20:01 AM »
Here is what is happening.  You can see where if that piece moves down enough, it catches on the frame.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5o_i0zrAYHqR29KYVlZcXRPZDA/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5o_i0zrAYHqN2ExZ1dBYVJjWk0/view?usp=sharing


This happened to me yesterday. Here is a pic of my fix (hopefully).



The rear striker plate was already beveled in the center to slide over the rear of the trigger bar. I beveled the other areas to see if it cures the issue.
Years ago when I worked on 1911's the firing pin retaining plate would sometimes have to have a set screw drilled and tapped into the slide to keep it in place.


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Re: CZ P10C not going into battery
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2017, 04:41:45 PM »
Just had this exact problem with my p10c at the range.   Cz usa is sending me a new beveled striker plate.  Hope it works.  Has anyone tried any other fixes?  I was thinking a silicone sealer might hold the striker plate in place, but still allow it to be removeable.

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Re: CZ P10C not going into battery
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2017, 06:14:25 PM »
Flip it, when you play that slide cover, see if the striker and its housing should move harmonically with the slide cover movement. If not, the recess and the half moon is not "sit" properly or even broken. IMHO, mostly, it is not the angle that causes it, it is that recess and the half moon problem.

Offline Joe L

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Re: CZ P10C not going into battery
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2017, 06:15:24 PM »
Bevel seems to work fine, although I trimmed mine in a plane parallel to the slide to remove enough material so that it couldn't snag on anything if it dropped down.  It leaves a gap at the rear of the slide but I'm not going to carry it in to dirty conditions anyway.  The replacement cover from CZ seems to fix it just fine. 
Joe
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Re: CZ P10C not going into battery
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2017, 11:59:07 PM »
SquireSCA, does your striker (firing pin) or striker sleeve move around when you move the slide plate up and down?  Can you rotate the striker leg?  The striker, the striker sleeve, and its attached safety should not be wobbling around in my opinion...  In fact, the striker sleeve is supposed to be locking your slide plate in place!

A video of what the striker and striker sleeve are doing when your slide plate is moving up and down would be awesome!!!

I'm sorry your gun isn't working! Its always frustrating to wait several weeks to get a gun fixed...  That said, your best bet is to send this guy off to CZ (perhaps after another video...  :) ) to see what they can do for you.  I personally would ask that they eliminate any striker sleeve and slide plate movement with properly fit or upgraded parts.  If CZ can't make it right I would then ask them for a refund.  I personally would not sell a broken gun without fully disclosing any issues it has.