P-01 Omega Safety Concern?

[rkubatk21]

Maybe 3rd time will be the charm, but I wouldn't hold my breath. The right and left side need to be a slight interference fit.

Good luck,
SG

They wont admit that though. A Sig or Glock maybe in my near future. I myself should not have to modify the gun to make it function properly.

It sucks, I completely agree. If you have the money, a Sig P229 with the srt installed is one of my favorites. You could stick with cz and get the standard p01, that system is proven reliable.

I would have to get the omega trigger and the omega style hammer installed. I really like the omega I drove over an hour to get it. Its just so disappointing.

[MatthewD]

Maybe 3rd time will be the charm, but I wouldn't hold my breath. The right and left side need to be a slight interference fit.

Good luck,
SG

They wont admit that though. A Sig or Glock maybe in my near future. I myself should not have to modify the gun to make it function properly.

I agree a redesign and recall will have to happen on this issue. You should not have to modify this. This could potentially cost someone?s life. I have an Omega on order from Hyatt guns from NC since the last week in August. I?m now concerned about this weapon that I don?t even have yet.

[M1A4ME]

I keep seeing new posts in this thread and I keep thinking about the problems.

The Omega system isn't new.  No one has reported this issue on the P07's, P09's, CZ 75s with the Omega system.  So, what is different about the P01's having problems and the other pistols?

The idea/design is for the ejector, held in the upwards position by a spring, to fit into a groove in the left side safety/decocker and hold it in place.

If that's not happening then the ejector isn't doing what the design meant it to do.  Why?

Is the groove in the decocker to thin to all a properly made ejector to rise to the correct height?

Is the ejector too wide to fit into a properly grooved left side decocker?

Or is the spring that pushes the decocker upwards not doing it's job?

Something, in these P01's exhibiting the problem, isn't made right or fitting together right.  The dimpling/peening of the left side safety shaft helps, but shouldn't be a permanent fix.  One of the parts isn't made quite right, or isn't fitting together per the design.

Then again, what do I know, other than it's not a common problem on the Omega system pistols so it doesn't sound like a design problem.

[thedude]

I keep seeing new posts in this thread and I keep thinking about the problems.

The Omega system isn't new.  No one has reported this issue on the P07's, P09's, CZ 75s with the Omega system.  So, what is different about the P01's having problems and the other pistols?

The idea/design is for the ejector, held in the upwards position by a spring, to fit into a groove in the left side safety/decocker and hold it in place.

If that's not happening then the ejector isn't doing what the design meant it to do.  Why?

Is the groove in the decocker to thin to all a properly made ejector to rise to the correct height?

Is the ejector too wide to fit into a properly grooved left side decocker?

Or is the spring that pushes the decocker upwards not doing it's job?

Something, in these P01's exhibiting the problem, isn't made right or fitting together right.  The dimpling/peening of the left side safety shaft helps, but shouldn't be a permanent fix.  One of the parts isn't made quite right, or isn't fitting together per the design.

Then again, what do I know, other than it's not a common problem on the Omega system pistols so it doesn't sound like a design problem.

Agreed.

[supergunner84]

I don't have a P07 or 09, but if anyone does, can you tell me if the engagement if the decocker/safety is a slip fit or if the is a little tension?

Mine was a slip fit, no tension at all. Seeing how the other omegas have polymer, it may be the difference.

CZ has yet to respond to any of my questions, only "send it in and we'll take a look"

Cheers,
SG

[thedude]

Mine was a slip fit, no tension at all.

Just put a dab of Loctite 641 retaining compound on there. 

[supergunner84]

Mine was a slip fit, no tension at all.

Just put a dab of Loctite 641 retaining compound on there. 

I did the dimples, same end result but should never have been needed.

[Muggins]

Just got the e-mail that the repairs on my P-01 have been complete.

Work Performed: REPLACED TRIGGER BAR, ROLLER, DECOCKER SPRING, TRIGGER RETURN SPRING.
ADJUSTED ROLLER.
TEST FIRE GOOD.

We'll see if that fixes it. If not I'll definitely go the dimple route.

[M1A4ME]

Just got the e-mail that the repairs on my P-01 have been complete.

Work Performed: REPLACED TRIGGER BAR, ROLLER, DECOCKER SPRING, TRIGGER RETURN SPRING.
ADJUSTED ROLLER.
TEST FIRE GOOD.

We'll see if that fixes it. If not I'll definitely go the dimple route.

I think that's what most of us "CZ lovers" would do.  We like our pistols well enough to just fix them if it's necessary.  Some folks would just complain (here and other forums) and sell/trade it off and buy something else probably more expensive and less accurate.

Good luck with it.

I know (at least on my P09) there isn't enough friction between the left side safety shaft and the right side safety to hold the left side in.  I had my 9MM P09 apart, lost a small part (can't picture it in my mind at the moment - about 3 or 4 years ago now) and the next time I went shooting the left side safety fell out of the frame.  I found the safety, put it and the pistol in the bag and ordered the part(s) when I got home, put them in when I got home and have had no further issues (not a CZ issue - an operator headspace issue.)

[supergunner84]

Just got the e-mail that the repairs on my P-01 have been complete.

Work Performed: REPLACED TRIGGER BAR, ROLLER, DECOCKER SPRING, TRIGGER RETURN SPRING.
ADJUSTED ROLLER.
TEST FIRE GOOD.

We'll see if that fixes it. If not I'll definitely go the dimple route.

I think that's what most of us "CZ lovers" would do.  We like our pistols well enough to just fix them if it's necessary.  Some folks would just complain (here and other forums) and sell/trade it off and buy something else probably more expensive and less accurate.

Good luck with it.

I know (at least on my P09) there isn't enough friction between the left side safety shaft and the right side safety to hold the left side in.  I had my 9MM P09 apart, lost a small part (can't picture it in my mind at the moment - about 3 or 4 years ago now) and the next time I went shooting the left side safety fell out of the frame.  I found the safety, put it and the pistol in the bag and ordered the part(s) when I got home, put them in when I got home and have had no further issues (not a CZ issue - an operator headspace issue.)

With several people having the same issue, and cz sending a replacement to another that has the same issue, I have a hard time believing that this isn't a design problem.  One or 2 one offs, ok, but 8 or however many on this thread that have the issue signals more of a widespread problem.

Thanks for your input in the forum, always good to get everyone's point of view

Cheers,
SG

[rkubatk21]

I spoke with Luke from the warranty department on Friday. He was by far the nicest gentlemen I spoke with at CZ so far. He actually brought up my case file and answered questions. Apparently it is a spring issue that is causing these problems. It matched up to what supergunner mentioned in his videos about uneven pressure being applied to the roller bar of the decocker which can cause it to go out and upwards. So huge kuddos to SG!! They said they would bump my gun to the front of the line since it was the second time in so we will see when I get it back.

[M1A4ME]

Glad to hear they've seen enough of them to figure it out.  A spring issue. 

[supergunner84]

Seems that way, my only contention with that is if you run safties rather than decockers, it'll fall apart (no spring).

Is what it is, still a good gun.

Cheers,
SG

[rkubatk21]

Glad to hear they've seen enough of them to figure it out.  A spring issue.

I didn't have much time to talk with him since I was at work he said each case is different with each gun and why they replaced mine was because it was not able to be fixed, however it ran fine otherwise unless they scraped it because they didn't realize what was the true issue. I did not ask him about a possible recall since this is happening to a decent amount of guns that we know of. SG mentioned bad parts? Maybe they do have a bad batch of springs or ones with the incorrect amount of pressure or it truly is a design flaw. I will wait for the email stating what they fixed and contact them with further questions and to share that with you guys. He said he would have two people check my gun this time to make sure it was working properly, still doesnt sit well with me that they did not check SG's gun or mine before sending it back the first time.

[sofrosune]

Has anyone had this issue with a 2016 production P01 Omega?  I tried to replicate the problem with mine but wasn't able to.