P-01 Quick Help... Still In The Hunt

[007_Bond]

Hey guys.

I know there?s lots of info on here and elsewhere on the P-01, but I?m looking for quick help.

Here?s my story - just got my conceal carry permit, was gonna get a Glock 19 until I saw Miitary Arms Channel talk about the P-01. From what I am research it looks like the P-01 is the better gun and more preferred by most users. Here?s my questions:

1.) Which variant of the P-01 should I get?
    - omega, standard, de-cocker or safety model ? (Do they make a safety model?)
2.) How bad is the stock trigger?
    - Can someone please give weight pulls for both DA & SA?
    - Does it have a long reset? Or long pull? (... for single action)
3.) Does this have to be modded right away for it to be better than a standard stock Glock 19?

[The Guardian]

Suggestions and answers:

Variant:  PCR (no rail), no safety model is available in the alloy frame...only decocker

Stock Trigger:  is okay, just changing out springs makes it much, much better
                      reset is really kind of medium, very good out of the box....trigger pull the same, overall good

Need to Mod:  always a tuff one to determine, really personal choice......I'm not a Glock person so can't speak to that comparison.  What I can say is if you change out the springs, about $20, it
                     may not need anything else done to it.

Hope this helps!........

[007_Bond]

Suggestions and answers:

Variant:  PCR (no rail), no safety model is available in the alloy frame...only decocker

Stock Trigger:  is okay, just changing out springs makes it much, much better
                      reset is really kind of medium, very good out of the box....trigger pull the same, overall good

Need to Mod:  always a tuff one to determine, really personal choice......I'm not a Glock person so can't speak to that comparison.  What I can say is if you change out the springs, about $20, it
                     may not need anything else done to it.

Hope this helps!........

Thank you so much.

What?s the PCR variant? Is the PCR a true P-01?

How is it different than the standard P-01?

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

The PCR is the best all around pistol on the market! My opinion. The PCR is the same as the P01 without the rail. As far as modding and trigger action goes these are all traditional DA/SA pistols and the triggers are a different animal compared to the  plastic guns on the market today. They take practice to master as does any weapon. No modified trigger of any kind will make you a better shooter unless you spend the time to be good with it.

[007_Bond]

Ok something else I discovered was most of the compact CZ 75 have the aluminum alloy frame, but one of them has a steel frame like the original CZ75.

Wouldn?t the steel frame be the better one to get since it?s stronger? People have mentioned to me that the aluminum alloy frames can break over time just from the constant vibration of shooting in general.

[spcava]

Ok something else I discovered was most of the compact CZ 75 have the aluminum alloy frame, but one of them has a steel frame like the original CZ75.

Wouldn?t the steel frame be the better one to get since it?s stronger? People have mentioned to me that the aluminum alloy frames can break over time just from the constant vibration of shooting in general.

The people who say they have most likely never owned an aluminum alloy pistol.  They probably still claim that polymer pistols will never work too lol.   I?ve seen a P-01 with 50,000 rounds through it they shot as well as my P-01 with 3,000 rounds through it.  Keep it properly maintained and you won?t have a problem.


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[spcava]

To address your overall question:

I was in the same position as you just a couple years ago.  I was buying my first pistol and briefly looked at Glock before I came across CZ.  I have a lot of Glock fanboy friends, and they all admit that the P-01 shoots better than their Glocks. They tend to like Glocks because of the large aftermarket support.

I do not have pull weights for the DA/SA, but I?m sure someone else on this thread can get they for you.  I can say that the SA is very light and crisp out of the box.  The DA may not be perfectly smooth out of the box, but it will get better with use.

If you are new to this and are going to conceal carry, I would suggest starting with the decocker model.

I went with the p-01 over the pcr due to availability and price.  I found a great deal on the p-01 and nabbed it. If I found the PCR first, I probably would have gotten that.  You can?t go wrong with either.  There are lots of people carrying all steel pistols, but that doesn?t mean that it will be comfortable for you.  That is a lot of extra weight.  That would be okay at the range, but it?s an unnecessary addition for conceal carry.


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[007_Bond]

Thanks everyone.

Are these pistols harder to CLEAN/ maintain than a polymer pistol?

[The Guardian]

As easy, if not easier......plus you have more options for grips, to fit you.....poly frames are pretty limited in being able to be adjusted to your preference.

[007_Bond]

As easy, if not easier......plus you have more options for grips, to fit you.....poly frames are pretty limited in being able to be adjusted to your preference.

Thank you!
Sorry I guess I meant cleaning as well.

[ZanderMan]

The PCR is an awesome carry, just a little thicker than say a Shield so a bit harder to conceal. The extra capacity is worth it IMO.

The takedown (slide removal) on the PCR takes practice to do it smoothly so don?t let it frustrate you.

DA/SA doesn?t need a safety IMO because of the heavier DA pull for first shot. SA reset is as short as my P226 with the SRT kit.

No rail is necessary for a carry pistol, IMO.

[Boriqua]

Much of what you are asking is purely personal preference. I have the steel compact and an aluminum clone. Both great guns but .. I will admit a preference for steel. I also think the steel version , in my eyes, is a bit more classy and refined looking but its a gun and that might not be important to you. I like the heft of steel and being somewhat old school .. I do perhaps erroneously think that steel is a better material for guns but I am not a metallurgist. Steel just gives more. I also prefer a safety over a decocker.

Steel is heavier no doubt but it reminds me of when I was into bicycling long distance. Guys would be shedding new parts to buy super expensive titanium bits to shave ounces off their steed and I would look at them and say . it would have been better and cheaper to lose the 20 extra pounds your carrying with a diet. YMMV but a good gun belt is a non option .. you need one and with one I have carried full size 1911's concealed for years and was fine. Having said that .. the aluminum sure feels good and light when you hoist it and my wife prefers the aluminum clone to the steel every time we go out.

But on to the things that are not to subjective. The trigger reset is nice. Not as defined as some other guns I have or have had but very discernible and about average in length before it engages. The trigger pull weight on mine out of the box wasn't very heavy, wasn't lumpy and it was easy to control but was pretty rough. I almost bought the spring kit before I had the gun in hand and I am glad I didn't because it doesn't need it. After 200 rds it worked itself in nicely. My Turk Clone, while a bit smoother had a very heavy DA and benefited from the spring kit. The CZ amazingly transformed itself after only about 200 rds and really smoothed out but when time permits I will be tearing down the CZ and doing a little polish because I think it could be better.

SA action breaks nicely. I dont have a scale so cant give you a weight but its pretty comparable to my other guns that I know have about a 5-5.5 break. There is some pickup that I notice when slow dry firing but I never notice it when shooting so its really a non issue for me.

If you will only have this one gun and you intend for it to double as nightstand and concealed carry and you think a flashlight is in your future for nightstand use than the p01 should suit you fine. I don't care much for its looks and I never hang stuff from my gun. I think the pcr is more readily available but at the time I bought mine I had a bit of trouble finding a steel compact. I dont see many listed here on the classified but Gunbroker usually has a  couple.

Overall ... my cz is one of my favorite all time guns and I have had ALOT. It can use a bit of refinement out of the box but at its price point I dont mind a little table top gunsmithing. The Ergos is where they freagin SHINE!!

I have a Glock 17 gen5 and while I like the trigger a lot the ergos are wierd and I always find myself having to cant my wrist further forward to get good sight alignment. Its a nice gun but at about $70 more than my CZ there is no comparison, CZ wins hands down.  I may look to trade my glock for a full size CZ.

If you get a chance check out Military arms channel on youtube. Mac went from glocks to CZ and he lists some very good reasons.

[doc171]

My 2 cents worth follows. I have both a CGW PRO PCR and 2 CGW PRO P01s. I shoot my P01s better because of the slightly added nose weight, in my opinion. But, I'm not you. Buy which ever one you find first and can get your hands on to get the feel of the firearm. I really don't think you may find a LGS that has both in stock. BUT, whichever one you get, will cause CZ FEVER to strike you down and you will be hunting for the other one you didn't get...then you'll want better sights...better grips....better trigger pull weights...then more CZs...good luck, you will enjoy your CZ FEVER.....

[007_Bond]

 Alright guys, long story short ...

I had many good guns I was looking at but I was planning on getting a Glock 19 for my concealed carry but then happened to stumble upon the CZ 75 P-01 through the military arms channel.  Last I knew he was caring the VP9 , Then I started watching all of his torture test and the contact. Which then led me to his new conceal YouTube video. Just was two nights ago, and I just purchased the CZ 75 PCR.

[viking499]

Did you get the P-01 or PCR?  They are not the same gun.