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Offline roc1

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CZUSA or BRNO?
« on: April 16, 2006, 03:56:16 PM »
I have a question I know has been answered on the forums at the start,but I am still a little confused?I know the CZ from Strakonice made the 52 and is no more right?I thought that CZ-UB is our CZ,and was made at UherskyBrod?Iguess the CZ from ADCO imports is from where?I also thought BRNO and CZ-UB were the same?CZ-USA catalog lists 527,550 rifles models.Midway catalog shows optics for them under CZ-BRNO.
Are all three companies completly different as I heard or what?
Just a little confused?
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roc1

Walt-Sherrill

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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2006, 04:31:06 PM »
The two CZs were different factories prior to the fall of the Communist Bloc, but parts of a larger organization.

I'll borrow from Fjestad's brief history:

Ceska Zbrojovka means Czech Weapons Factory.  The current company is Ceska Zbrojovka a.s. Uhersky Brod, abbreviated as CZUB a.s. (meaning joint stock company).  Zbrojovka Brno means weapon or gun factory located in Brno.

Ceska Strakonice was created in 1923, to take over handgun production previously done in Brno.  

Ceska Strakonice developed the CZ-24, 27, 50, and 52.  During the 50's the Strakonice factory was converted to building motorcycles and precision instruments.

The Czech government shifted producton of long guns from  Zborojvka Bron to Cezka Zbrojovk Uhersky Brod, where firearms made up less than 3% of its total production.  
Things changed again in the 80's and trademarks were moved around. CZUB designed and built the original CZ-75.

The CZ TT guns are using the CZ Strakonice trademark and piggybacking on its history.  But keep in mind, that THAT CZ never built the CZ line of guns now known as the 75, and that they are simply using the name.  The guns are apparently pretty good, but clones with some parts built by Tanfoglio. They are NOT true CZs, but are capitalizing on the old history and name.

The newest guns coming ADCO will soon be imported form Turkey -- more clones of the CZ.

CZ-USA is a wholly-owned subsidiadry of CZUB.

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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2006, 06:05:12 PM »
Thanks Walt for the reply.How does the third company BRNO play it this,are they still in business by theirselves?I had heard there was three companies,is that right?Is Brno separate from CZUB?
Thanks again
roc1

Walt-Sherrill

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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2006, 06:31:13 PM »
BRNO, UHERSKY BROD, and STRAKONICE were all cities and factory locations.  All parts of the same company.

I don't know much about BRNO's history.  I think that was the original company which formed UB and Strakonice as subsidiaries.  A Czech Republic participant here will have to clarify that point, but I think BRNO as a gun-producing company no longer exists.  Its name is still associated with great long-guns from pre-WWII, etc., but BRNO hasn't been associated with pistols in any large number for many, many years.

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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2006, 05:10:27 AM »
Thanks Walt for clarifing this.I know now that the other CZ is just a clone using CZ name.They are not necessarly even made in the Chech Rep. as I understand it.I guess that means they are not even close as a gun other than using trademark and making a copy of the great CZ pistols made by CZUB?
Thanks again for setting me straight.
roc1

Walt-Sherrill

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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2006, 03:31:20 PM »
The guns ARE ASSEMBLED in the Czech Republic, and some parts are made there, as well.  They're apparently fairly good guns.  (THere are also "CZs" made in Yugoslavia and elsehwere, but some of them are based on SIG designs.)

The ADCO guns are sold by people trying to take advantage of the CZ name.  Its legal for them to do it, and to use the trademarks, but its marginally ethical.