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Offline KyleWV

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USPSA Production VS Limited
« on: January 17, 2018, 08:25:01 PM »
Would like to start shooting USPSA just for fun and really like the CZ-75 SP01.  Deciding between SP01 and SP01 tactical. Not sure whether to get decock or thumb safety.  Can you use decock in limited?  Is limited better or easier for beginners or is production better?   Eyes are getting older so considering CO someday.  Can you use the decock SP01 in limited?  Any help is greatly appreciated.

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Re: USPSA Production VS Limited
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2018, 08:56:10 PM »
Would like to start shooting USPSA just for fun and really like the CZ-75 SP01.  Deciding between SP01 and SP01 tactical. Not sure whether to get decock or thumb safety.  Can you use decock in limited?  Is limited better or easier for beginners or is production better?   Eyes are getting older so considering CO someday.  Can you use the decock SP01 in limited?  Any help is greatly appreciated.
Either model will work for Limited. The safety model will enable you to start cocked and locked in Limited. 

You would have to manually lower the hammer with a Safety model for Production. 

To get started, it makes sense to shoot Limited. However, if you have any competitive streak in you, you will want to transition to Production, once you get past few matches.



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Re: USPSA Production VS Limited
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2018, 09:19:12 PM »
SP-01, either manual safety or decocker would be fine for either but probably better suited for Production division if we?re talking about 9mm due to the minor power factor scoring. In Production (and Carry Optics), all competitors are scored minor regardless of caliber -hence the popularity of 9mm for that division. 

In Limited, most competitors are shooting .40SW since that is the smallest caliber allowed for major PF scoring and to maximize the number of rounds which you can load into a magazine that is 140mm long.  Most competitors in Limited are running mags that have the capacity for 20-21 rnds of .40SW.  Production has a 10-round mag capacity restriction.  Carry Optics allows 140mm mags, which in 9mm translates into approx 22-23 rnds depending on the mag extension. 

With the manual safety model you have the option of shooting it in Limited Div with the hammer back and thumb safety applied.  If you got the decocker model you would have to start all your stages with the hammer down, meaning a DA trigger pull on the first shot since USPSA requires all guns to have the safety applied or if DA then the hammer down.  If it is an unloaded gun start then by racking the slide to chamber a round you go straight to a SA trigger pull and that?s allowed. 

You can always add a RDS to your SP-01 (either get the slide milled or use a dovetail mount) and shoot it in Carry Optics.  The SP-01 would be a good choice for that division if you got mag extensions to take advantage of the 140mm max mag length to maximize capacity and reduce the number of reloads. 

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Re: USPSA Production VS Limited
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2018, 10:39:58 PM »
I?ve never seen a competitive shooter with a decocker SP-01.  I?ve never pushed the trigger on a decocker gun.   The conventional wisdom is that safety triggers can be made better.

My carry gun is a decocker.
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Re: USPSA Production VS Limited
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2018, 07:37:42 AM »
My advice would be to run whatever you are more comfortable in limited minor. Don't worry about your placement in the standings and just shoot and have fun. Work on your stage planning, speed, marksmanship, and footwork. Limited is more forgiving, you'll prob only have to reload once a stage. If that competitive streak kicks in (and you love reloading every time you move!) get some extra pouches and go hammer down production. Go get them. Great folks at all matches and more than willing to speed up your learning curve. Observe.

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Re: USPSA Production VS Limited
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2018, 09:37:00 AM »
Safety gun...Limited minor.

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Re: USPSA Production VS Limited
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2018, 09:50:23 AM »
Apparently, OP is still deciding which gun. SP-01 is a good choice, but I am interested in what y'all think about a P-09 with omega trigger? Relatively simple to change from safety to decocker with basic tools.
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Re: USPSA Production VS Limited
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2018, 12:07:23 PM »
For the OP, I would do the regular SP01 over the tactical decock model.  I think it is generally regarded as having a potentially better trigger...easier to work on....better resale....lots of parts, etc.  Limited minor is a nice place to start, mainly because of the lack of constant reloading.  You could shoot that for a while and if you really like limited, get a .40 and get the SP01 milled for a red dot for your CO aspirations.

For Vinny. Although I shoot P09s in matches almost exclusively, I think the regular SP01 is a probably better choice for competition.  If I really wanted a decocker however, I would choose a P09 over a SP01 tactical.  I like the position/direction of the decock lever more and the simplicity of the mechanism. 


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Re: USPSA Production VS Limited
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2018, 12:49:04 PM »
For the OP, I would do the regular SP01 over the tactical decock model.  I think it is generally regarded as having a potentially better trigger...easier to work on....better resale....lots of parts, etc.  Limited minor is a nice place to start, mainly because of the lack of constant reloading.  You could shoot that for a while and if you really like limited, get a .40 and get the SP01 milled for a red dot for your CO aspirations.

For Vinny. Although I shoot P09s in matches almost exclusively, I think the regular SP01 is a probably better choice for competition.  If I really wanted a decocker however, I would choose a P09 over a SP01 tactical.  I like the position/direction of the decock lever more and the simplicity of the mechanism.

Thanks, All helpful info.
Like OP, I'm also thinking of getting into competition. I have an SP-01 Tac for HD, find my P-07 with RDS more comfortable to shoot, looking for an excuse to add P-09.  O0
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Re: USPSA Production VS Limited
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2018, 01:16:39 PM »
Apparently, OP is still deciding which gun. SP-01 is a good choice, but I am interested in what y'all think about a P-09 with omega trigger? Relatively simple to change from safety to decocker with basic tools.

With a cajun gun works competition hammer and a 13lb mainspring the trigger in a P-09 can be quite good.  Ive been shooting my P-09 in open major for a little over a year and have been having tons of fun.  Could take off the comp and run carry optics or take off the optic and run production, all on the cheap, but having too much fun in open to do that, plus I like the major points for scoring. O0



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Re: USPSA Production VS Limited
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2018, 01:53:06 PM »
Dave33, Nice set-up . Seems very flexible for trying different competitions. Really Helpful info.

The SP-01 is a superb handgun and I understand why OP would like one, and popular with many top competitors.
For some reason in my hands I can just shoot my P-07 a little faster but not any more accurately than the SP-01. I'm thinking the P-09 might be the best of both worlds.

So, it's the P-09 SR ready model 91270 with threaded barrel 21+1 I've been eye-balling. deguns.net has about 80 in stock and just lowered their price to $529. Doubtful I'll make it through the weekend w/o ordering one.  O0
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Re: USPSA Production VS Limited
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2018, 02:11:32 PM »
So, it's the P-09 SR ready model 91270 with threaded barrel 21+1 I've been eye-balling. deguns.net has about 80 in stock and just lowered their price to $529. Doubtful I'll make it through the weekend w/o ordering one.  O0

Sounds like a good deal.  The P-09 is an incredibly soft shooting gun, I can shoot it fast, and the accuracy is on par or better than almost anything out there, custom guns included.  Ive never shot an SP-01, Im sure its a great shooter as well, but the lower weight of the P-09 might make it a little more manuverable working around a stage.