The P07/09 trigger - leaving a lot to be desired.

[briang2ad]

P07 number 0ne - terribly gritty and hard to pull.  Went back to CZ.  They polished and replaced the disconnector.  Several hundred rounds and thousands of dry fires have also helped.  Now, after the extended FP and 15 LB spring, it is VERY good.

P07 number 2.  OTB - much better.  BUT, after a few hundred rounds, an extended FP and 15 LB spring and polishing, it stacks hard in the rear - especially with night lubrication.  I suppose the disconnector roller is shot.

Overall, I am dissappointed in the 07/09 trigger system.

[s0nspark]

IMO the real benefits show when you upgrade the stock internals with CGW parts. Stock can be good but seems like more of a gamble.

[briang2ad]

I?m beginning to believe that the roller is this systems achilles heal.

[s0nspark]

I?m beginning to believe that the roller is this systems achilles heal.

I would tend to agree, at least in terms of trigger quality.

Some of the stock rollers are really rough...

[Winkel]

For educational purposes, for the rest of us, you should swap rollers between the two guns and see if the problem follows the roller???

[briang2ad]

OK - here we go. it is butter now.

I suspected I put the backstrap retaining pin in for the trigger pin - ouch - and I was right.

I disassembled and this time, POLISHED the roller.  THIS IS EASY.  Take a thin brass punch and place the roller on the punch.  Block one end with your finger.  Take a felt wheel with a tad of Flitz on it and polish the snot out of it.  (My roller is .214).  The roller will come out gleaming and smooth with no imperfections. 

I had a CGW SRT kit on hand, so I put the parts in to see what that would be like.

My DA is amazing - glass like over butter and even.  WOW. Reset is a tad shorter and there is a bit less camming - this is an effect of the SR Kit.  Now it is sweet. 

But I still despise putting the decocker spring back in.  That is a royal PITA.

[schmeky]

Like it or not, the roller is here to stay in the Omega system.  I like it since it greatly simplifies the lock work(s) and you can use it as an effective custom tuning tool, but then who keeps a lot of different rollers laying around?

We had a P-07 in the shop last week that had a DA pull from h_ll, even with the usual tricks it stacked to badly it was ridiculous.  With some experimenting, we found the factory installed roller had a much to large OD.

Found the "right" OD and this thing went from 9 plus lbs. and stacking horribly, to 8 lbs. 3 oz. and awesome.  At least it could be fixed.

[s0nspark]

Sometimes I wonder what QC is really like at the CZUB factory. Tolerances seem to be all over the place.

I'm hoping things will improve once the US factory comes online...

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

Sometimes I wonder what QC is really like at the CZUB factory. Tolerances seem to be all over the place.

I'm hoping things will improve once the US factory comes online...

QC on production guns leaves quite a bit to be desired across the board. Tolerances run the gamut in all brands. Recently adopted a new Beretta 92 FS and had to do the same things to it that one would do to any CZ75 to make the trigger good.
As for the US factory having good QC when it opens up yea I'm still laughing at that one. Made in the USA used to mean something but eh not anymore. I've sent more S&W's back to Springfield Mass. than I have anything else.

[Mjolnir]

IMO the real benefits show when you upgrade the stock internals with CGW parts. Stock can be good but seems like more of a gamble.

EXACTLY!!




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[SlvrDragon50]

Like it or not, the roller is here to stay in the Omega system.  I like it since it greatly simplifies the lock work(s) and you can use it as an effective custom tuning tool, but then who keeps a lot of different rollers laying around?

We had a P-07 in the shop last week that had a DA pull from h_ll, even with the usual tricks it stacked to badly it was ridiculous.  With some experimenting, we found the factory installed roller had a much to large OD.

Found the "right" OD and this thing went from 9 plus lbs. and stacking horribly, to 8 lbs. 3 oz. and awesome.  At least it could be fixed.

I threw in a bunch of CGW parts, so I'm not really sure which part made it that much better. I am using the mid size roller, and shooting my P07 is a joy now even if the trigger pull is heavy 9-10 lbs. I think to think it's training for shooting my S2 in DA I also felt bending the spring (can't remember the name, the one on the frame that sits against the roller) made a huge difference.

[Vinny]

I'm interested in this thread and any opinions on my P-09 trigger which seems quite different than my metal-frame CZ's which seem to smooth out nicely after a couple thousand rounds/dry fires. Sweet!

Just added the P-09 SR to my CZ fleet and notice if I pull through SA trigger slowly there's a slight 'notch' before the sear releases. Doesn't feel like the 'wall' I would describe on my G-17.   If I decock several times then try SA trigger, the 1st SA pull has no notch (nice!) but then it returns again. Huh???

I've shot about 500 rounds through the P-09, and dry-fired another 1000+ but notch isn't smoothing out. It's not like the pull is hard (~3.5 lbs) but not a smooth 'camming' prior to sear releasing. I wonder if this 'notch' is common on omega triggers?? It's not as noticeable on my P-07. And non-existent on my metal frame CZ's after break-in (which seem to just get better and better with more rounds).

As s0nspark has commented; perhaps it's just the untamed 'personality difference' that seems to be coming from CZ's production tolerances??




 

[DOC 1500]

Well as I was told by CGW themselves, they could take 10 identical pistols and put their magic to them 7 will come out beautiful 2 will come out fairly good and one could be crappy No matter what they did to it.
 My P09I did all this suggested polishing changed a few Springs and I have a 6.5DA 2.7 Sa... As slick as butter and butter.
 I believe one of the biggest changes came was when I stoned and polished the left side of the frame alongside the hammer and also did the left side of the hammer.omg !!

[benq]

Well as I was told by CGW themselves, they could take 10 identical pistols and put their magic to them 7 will come out beautiful 2 will come out fairly good and one could be crappy No matter what they did to it.
 My P09I did all this suggested polishing changed a few Springs and I have a 6.5DA 2.7 Sa... As slick as butter and butter.
 I believe one of the biggest changes came was when I stoned and polished the left side of the frame alongside the hammer and also did the left side of the hammer.omg !!

Stuart@CZCustoms told me something similar.  P-07/P-09 each have a personality of their own despite getting the same treatment.

My P-07 Duty is smooooth with only springs and FP being up upgraded. My P-09 on the other hand, has been difficult to "tune".

[Mjolnir]

This is why I no longer order pistols. I want to sample/dry fire  the pistol to see how it feels. I also wish to observe the target to see how well it hits (right or left of target).

If I were to want something that the LGS has that has a target I don't like or a trigger I find very difficult to live with I'll call CGW and ask them to "make it right" hoping they won't allow that "one in ten" pistol (if that is what they were sent) leave the shop and end up in my safe.


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