Gen 3 P07/09

[Vinny]

Factory optics ready cutouts for multiple red dots.

See for me I would never purchase a gun that had multiple optic cuts.  The fit and finish is just to unclean.  The only optic I would ever run is a RMR type 2 and I want it to be cut perfectly into the slide so there?s no space fillers or anything.

Same here. Unless the optic cut is for a specific optic too many concessions are made IMO.

SIG has gone with a proprietary RDS (Romeo 1) all set up on their RX models. Co-witness is perfect.
The Burris/Vortex or RMR seem to be emerging as the most popular cuts. I wonder how close they are?? Primary indicates their recommendation is Vortex Viper because it sits so low for co-witness. If it came from CZ with a Viper mounted and co-witness sights (or a coupon to purchase a Viper special deal); I'd be OK with that. 

[s0nspark]

SIG has gone with a proprietary RDS (Romeo 1) all set up on their RX models. Co-witness is perfect.
The Burris/Vortex or RMR seem to be emerging as the most popular cuts. I wonder how close they are?? Primary indicates their recommendation is Vortex Viper because it sits so low for co-witness. If it came from CZ with a Viper mounted and co-witness sights (or a coupon to purchase a Viper special deal); I'd be OK with that. 

I agree - I just am really not a fan of the one-size-fits-many-with-adapter-plates approach.

[Vinny]

If CZ made the cut at the factory, I'm sure it wouldn't cost much extra. As prices of RDS drop, especially if the factory includes the cut, I just think this will become a really popular set up. I mean, people are paying $100-$150 now just for upgraded sights, so IF the gun cost $200 more with an RDS, I think it would be a winner. JMHO

Burris or Vortex are good durable optics and about $200 now (on sale) and I believe they both fit the same mount pattern. Leupold and RMR are great Optics, but considerably more $$ and each are different mounting patterns.

So, my vote would be a CZ P-07 and/or P-09 cut for Viper optic with sights that will co-witness. Buyer would then have the option to mount a Burris, Vortex Viper or Venom.  Same mount.(I think).

However, I'm just not sure if there's enough room on a P-07/P-09 slide for both Viper cut and a rear sight.  Might take CZ a little extra thought.

Meanwhile.....there's good machine shops.   

[s0nspark]

However, I'm just not sure if there's enough room on a P-07/P-09 slide for both Viper cut and a rear sight.  Might take CZ a little extra thought.

I'd say there is but it would cover the extractor pin - not a deal breaker IMO. My RMRs are that way and if I'm gonna work on the gun at all the RMR comes off ;-)

Meanwhile.....there's good machine shops.   

I'd say that will be the preferred option for the near future... at least until optics significantly change form factor.

[M1A4ME]

The only thing I could think to ask for is to have a new P09 in .357 SIG.

That is about the only thing that will make me bring another P09 home.

[Raining_Brass]

Factory optics ready cutouts for multiple red dots.

See for me I would never purchase a gun that had multiple optic cuts.  The fit and finish is just to unclean.  The only optic I would ever run is a RMR type 2 and I want it to be cut perfectly into the slide so there?s no space fillers or anything.

Same here. Unless the optic cut is for a specific optic too many concessions are made IMO.

SIG has gone with a proprietary RDS (Romeo 1) all set up on their RX models. Co-witness is perfect.
The Burris/Vortex or RMR seem to be emerging as the most popular cuts. I wonder how close they are?? Primary indicates their recommendation is Vortex Viper because it sits so low for co-witness. If it came from CZ with a Viper mounted and co-witness sights (or a coupon to purchase a Viper special deal); I'd be OK with that. 

Viper or RMR are the two ideal optics for a co witness on these slides. Shield RMS is also a great option as it is small enough to be milled in front of the factory dovetail, and is so low profile, can even co witness with OEM non suppressor height sights.

As for the Sig comment, it was a great idea. But unfortunately the Romeo 1 is riddled with issues. You don't have to look hard at all to see many people having to send them back several times to be fixed, and many still not working after several trips back to the factory. With that said, ALL of them can break. But Sig is quite new to the mini red dot game compared to most others, so it's sort of a "why go that route?" thing for now.

[SlvrDragon50]

I'd be okay with a Viper pre installed or milled on a P07, but I would want a DPP for a P09 for Carry optics use or even just a bedside type gun. I think the RMR price is a little extreme, but the DPP price is quite cheap now ~$330. Not as cheap as Vortex offerings but still very cheap!

[Mjolnir]

Go Trijicon or go home.

Better yet... ATEI does phenomenal work as do others.


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[Vinny]

See for me I would never purchase a gun that had multiple optic cuts.  The fit and finish is just to unclean.  The only optic I would ever run is a RMR type 2 and I want it to be cut perfectly into the slide so there?s no space fillers or anything.
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Same here. Unless the optic cut is for a specific optic too many concessions are made IMO.
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SIG has gone with a proprietary RDS (Romeo 1) all set up on their RX models. Co-witness is perfect.
The Burris/Vortex or RMR seem to be emerging as the most popular cuts. I wonder how close they are?? Primary indicates their recommendation is Vortex Viper because it sits so low for co-witness. If it came from CZ with a Viper mounted and co-witness sights (or a coupon to purchase a Viper special deal); I'd be OK with that. 
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Viper or RMR are the two ideal optics for a co witness on these slides. Shield RMS is also a great option as it is small enough to be milled in front of the factory dovetail, and is so low profile, can even co witness with OEM non suppressor height sights.
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Raining Brass:
I'm not familiar with the Shield RMS, but you learn something new everyday on the CZ Forum!
It looks similar to the JPoint from JP Enterprises which fits Leupold mounts. Does the Shield RMS fit same mounts with any other optics??

[briang2ad]

But I think the BEST thing they could do is a better placement of decocker and slide release.  That might be easier and would make a huge difference in speed.  Of course paddles would also add speed, be ambi, but will never happen cuz buttons are dumber.

[miller_man]

I'd like to see:





Decocker that is flatter and rotates like the P01 - MAYBE like the P2000 - now you're talking.  This gets the decocker out of the way of the slide release.

Longer and thinner slide release and ambi like the HK guns.

Ledge rear sight.

Improved roller bearing - in stainless or chromed.

Totally agree on these.

Decocker and slide release would be so much better if made more user friendly.  I;ve started to have a good work around for hitting the slide release above/around the decocker - but it is still easy to get caught occasionally on the decocker, plus it really wants to make me shift my strong hand grip.

Would love more aggressive texture too.

[Sordizzle]

Love my p07 urban grey suppressor ready 🤷

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[Vinny]

Factory optics ready cutouts for multiple red dots.

See for me I would never purchase a gun that had multiple optic cuts.  The fit and finish is just to unclean.  The only optic I would ever run is a RMR type 2 and I want it to be cut perfectly into the slide so there?s no space fillers or anything.

Same here. Unless the optic cut is for a specific optic too many concessions are made IMO.

SIG has gone with a proprietary RDS (Romeo 1) all set up on their RX models. Co-witness is perfect.
The Burris/Vortex or RMR seem to be emerging as the most popular cuts. I wonder how close they are?? Primary indicates their recommendation is Vortex Viper because it sits so low for co-witness. If it came from CZ with a Viper mounted and co-witness sights (or a coupon to purchase a Viper special deal); I'd be OK with that. 

Viper or RMR are the two ideal optics for a co witness on these slides. Shield RMS is also a great option as it is small enough to be milled in front of the factory dovetail, and is so low profile, can even co witness with OEM non suppressor height sights.

As for the Sig comment, it was a great idea. But unfortunately the Romeo 1 is riddled with issues. You don't have to look hard at all to see many people having to send them back several times to be fixed, and many still not working after several trips back to the factory. With that said, ALL of them can break. But Sig is quite new to the mini red dot game compared to most others, so it's sort of a "why go that route?" thing for now.

Raining Brass, Is the Shield RMS similar to JPoint from JP Enterprises? Does the Shield fit any other mount pattern, or is in unique??

[Raining_Brass]

Same as JPoint.

[Vinny]

Raining Brass,
The Shield RMS also fits a Leupold mount pattern like the JPoint? That's good to know.
The reason I'm asking is I have a P-09 SR I'm considering having milled at Primary.
Just waiting for my P-07 slide returning tomorrow that got milled for Venom, then I need to decide which optic for P-09.

I have had JPoints mounted on my SP-01 and shotgun for 1-1/2 years and so far no issues. Stays on 24/7 and self-adjusts to ambient light so when in the safe it consumes almost zero energy. Still on same batteries.

I like that it sits low and has a built-in 'rear sight notch' for co-witness (assuming front sight is correct height). That could be a solution to the issue of not having enough space behind the optic for a rear iron.

The Shield RMS I'm finding on-line seem to be $100+ more than the JPoint which is ~$250 on sale. Is Shield any better?  Would you also recommend a JPoint? I also have a DDP 7.5moa, so it might be a plus if I could use either.

Thanks for your expertise, Vinny