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BRASMAN

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« on: August 31, 2005, 10:56:19 AM »
Does any one araound this forum have any kind of experiance with the Dan Wesson 10mms. I would like another 1911 and possibly another 10mm and I am not a colt fan (sorry colt fans nothing personal) and wondered how good they are. In my opinion the .45s I have seen are a bit high however the stainless ones with the black trigger and bobtail are so neat looking. Any way what say you?

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« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2005, 11:05:20 AM »
If nobody chimes in here, try the Dan Wesson area of the 1911 Forum.

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« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2005, 04:17:46 PM »
Brasman: MSRP is $1079 for the Pointman 7 and $1169 for the Commander Classic Bobtail that includes Novak Tritium sights, so the PM7 may sell around the $750 range if you go to www.gunbroker.com

I am keeping an eye on reports as well. If they develop a good track record, I'll probably own one. I think S&W will jump in as well and add the 10mm to their 1911 line. MSRP for the Smith is a about $50 less than the DW and you can find them for $650 from time to time. I haven't fired the DW, but I have been shooting my partners Scandium frame Smith quite a bit lately. I think S&W has the best 1911 on the market and if the DW can compete, it will be a winner. If it has bugs, I'll buy the Smith.;)

BRASMAN

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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2005, 02:13:35 AM »
I read in the 1911 forums that the Dan Wesson 10mm do not have the support that the Glock and Witness have and can not handle the higher pressure loads as well. What a waste in my opinion. Why buy a 10mm that can not take advantage of the calibers capabilities. If any one has a rebutle to what I said about the support issue please sound off because I would like hear it.

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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2005, 08:43:22 PM »
Not necessarily a rebuttle, lets say it like Rod Serling: "Submitted for you approval." The Colt Delta Elite had no different chamber than the DW in 10mm. That is not to say that it is unequivocally safe, but ka-booms were not exactly commonplace. In fact, I never heard of ka-booms until companies like Glock simply drilled bigger holes in ther 9mm barrels to accomodate the .40 S&W. Luckily for them, they had to start from square 1 when they brought out the 10mm. Reloaders tend to complicate things for themselves by using fast burning powders where slower ones are more appropriate. The .40 has an inherently quick pressure peak. Couple that with a fast peaking powder with a cartridge that is not supported at 6 O'Clock and has been fired and bulged previously and you're working on a recipe for a ka-boom. The way I will go about handling this is to use a slower powder that provides good load density without a fast pressure peak. Probably at or slightly above .40 S&W performance level, not with powders faster than Unique!

Take a poll of these guys that are having issues about the chamber and I'll bet you find a good number of powders being used that are less than ideal to prevent them. I see guys touting the Glock 20 on other forums for things up to and including defense from Grizzly Bears, but this is the internet afterall, so I'd keep that in mind!;)

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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2005, 08:51:04 PM »
"I see guys touting the Glock 20 on other forums for things up to and including defense from Grizzly Bears, but this is the internet afterall, so I'd keep that in mind! "

    I love my Glock 20 and the 10mm is a superb defense/combat/LEO cartridge, but if I had to have one handgun going up against a Grizzly,  I would take a Desert Eagle in .44MAG instead, but then again I would rather not come up against a grizzly at all.  After all,  the best way to win a gunfight is never to be in one.  LOL

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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2005, 09:04:52 PM »
B: I think the the 9mm and 10mm Glocks, along with the model 21, were the best thing Glock ever did. The Model 20 can be an amazing handgun. I have a problem with pistol grips being large enough for my hand and the 20/21 actually work for me. Prudently, you understand that neither are suitable for Grizzly defense. My apologies for thred drift, but the gun that comes to mind when I see questions posted on the subject is actually a DW revolver. The model 460 that shoots .45 ACP, .45 Super, .460 Rowland and the .45 Winchester Magnum. The latter cartridge making the most sense to me. With a 3.5 lb. connector and a relieved ejection port, Yeah, I could do a Glock 20!;)

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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2005, 09:21:25 PM »
but getting back to Dan Wessons, my personal opinion is that they are superb guns, but very much overpriced.  Why would I pay $1000+ for one ,when I paid $550 for my Glock 20 and $375 for the Tanfoglio,  both of which are exceptional 10mm options.  , unless you are dead set on a 1911 type 10mm.

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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2005, 10:57:47 PM »
Thanks for the info guys it was actualy just what I was interested in. I actualy am new to 10mms and the reason my first on is on its way is because I want it for camping. However Grizzly Bears are not a dime a dozen in Utah. Cougers, Moose and very few black bears. All three of which can normaly be avoided no problem. The moose is king of the mountain in my opinion but unless you screw with them they realy do not want any thing to do with you. Cougers would probably be the biggest thing I would have to shoot. However I usualy have a rifle or 12ga with 00 on hand. So can the Delta and Dan wesson handle the hot stuff from double tap or texas ammo.

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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2005, 02:46:09 PM »
Brasman: For the uses you have in mind, it sounds like you have thought it through very nicely. Dan Wesson could not put out a 10mm pistol without the awareness that full power loads would be fired through it. An unsupported chamber becomes a concern after a case has been fired and reloaded for the reasons I mentioned before. It is not very likely to happen with a new cartridge. For specific loads I would check with CZ/DW. The only thing I know about Double-Tap is what I have seen at the cartridge section and the billboards here.

Texas Ammunition is about 60 miles from me. I have called them a number of times in the past and got no answer or return phone call and it seems to be a common occurence, though folks that simply place an order do seem to get their product. In light of that, I don't think I would buy ammo from someone who couldn't provide detailed specifications concerning high performance loads, especially when we're talking about a cartridge that has a pressure maximum of 37,500 PSI. Try Midway, Grafs, or Natchez Shooters Supply. One of them should sell a major American or Foreign brand at a reasonable price. To get 10mm ammo that really works for you, I'd think about reloading my own and it's an easy one to start with.;)

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« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2005, 01:27:11 AM »
Thanks CZ57. I will definantly get the dies I need and add them to my others. I think redding makes dies that do both .40 and 10mm so that is probably what I will get. I am not sure how the leangth works but I guess it does.

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« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2005, 01:35:06 PM »
The Dan Wesson 10mm has a good track record from all I have read on the forms.  As far as chamber support it will have at least the same as the Delta Elite and that has plenty for full power loads, I have shot thousands through mine.  If you want 98% chamber support you need a ramped barrel.  I have a 8 port comp gun I built on a Caspian frame and slide with a ramped barrel.  It handles the hottest loads, well over the published data of today which in extremely down loaded from the original Norma data.  For a few hundred more then what Dan Wesson wants for theirs you can have a custom built gun to your specs.

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« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2005, 10:30:48 PM »
I recently bought a stainless 5" barrel DW Pointman in 10mm.  I shopped around for a long time looking at S&W, Kimber, Springfield Armory, Colt, and any other kind of 1911 I ran across.  I simply wanted the best pistol I could find for less than about a $1,000 if possible and had no real brand loyalty.  I also was not constrained on price really and would have paid more for a better pistol...I didn't find it short of a custom shop gun for a LOT more.  I had previously owned a couple of Springfield Armory 1911's in .45 ACP and a Colt Delta Elite 10mm as well as a Glock 20 (ugh), and a Norinco 1911 which was more accurate than either of the Springfield pistols which cost three times as much.  My son still has the Norinco.  

I don't like the Kimbers...dislike the looks, the big logos and all that crap.  The Kimber stainless Target II that comes in 10mm has a matte finish that looks like it was blasted with beach sand...rough.  A couple of Smith & Wessons were flawless in fit and finish with tight slides but most had some play in the slide.  I didn't like the ambi safety on the Springfield and again the slides tended to have some play.  The Dan Wesson rear sight is a Bo-Mar clone and is melted down into the slide nicely.  The Kimber adjustable sight sits higher.  

The Dan Wesson slide was tight as a $2,500 Les Baer.  I pulled the barrel and lapped the slide with polishing paste and a drop of teflon oil about a zillion times while watching tv before I fired it.  I found everything about the pistol to be flawless for a production gun.  Machining, fit, finish, excellent, feed ramp is hand polished.  Beautiful diamond checkered coco-bolo grips that fit perfectly vs. black rubber on the Kimber Target II.  DW uses good parts: Ed Brown slide release and grip safety, STI thumb safety, Chip McCormick internals, all Wolff springs, and less MIM parts than Kimber and does a great job assembling the pistol.  I don't have a trigger gauge but it is very light, smooth and short...perfect.  The Dan Wesson has a checkered front strap, most others are plain or have verticle grooves, and the back strap is checkered steel unlike the plastic on the Kimber and some others.  

To me the DW doesn't need anything right out of the box.  The recoil spring is stiff (22-24#?) and works well with Winchester Silvertips and the hotter loads but is a little stiff for gun show reloads for plinking.  I bought a Wolff 18# for that.  

The only problem I had was square edged hollowpoints hanging up on the feed ramp.  That is typical of 1911's and nothing peculiar to Dan Wesson, one guy told me he had the same problem with his S&W and sent it to the factory for a ramp job.  I don't trust many people to work on my guns so I did my own rework of the DW ramp and no problems now.  

I think the Dan Wesson is a good clean looking pistol, very small laser etched model number on the left side and very small etched name and serial number on the right hand side of the frame just under the slide.  

If I could find something to bitch about on the Dan Wesson I would do it but that is one fine pistol in my opinion.  Most of the complaints I have seen were with the earlier pistols when DW was buying components from different suppliers and before they settled down on the configuration.  

Price much better than the competition...I paid $725 out the door with sales tax from a dealer although I am told CZ-USA has raised the wholesale price since then.  

In fact I liked the pistol so much I went to the same dealer and bought a Dan Wesson Pointman Major (rib on the slide) in .45 ACP.  Also nice, slide is tight but not as tight as the 10mm (being real picky here) and the trigger is not quite as clean.  It does feed perfectly and the larger radius on the .45 ACP bullet does not have the hang-up problems the 10mm had.   I paid $825 out the door for the Pointman Major.  

My two cents and more.  I don't know how any real discerning person could find fault with a Dan Wesson.  

p.s., I second the opinion on the 1911 chamber as far as support and full loads.  I have a bunch of the old 1980's Norma 10mm squirrled away and my DW shoots it with no problems and eats it up as fast as you can handle pulling  the trigger.  THAT is some heavy duty ammo.


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« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2005, 02:50:59 AM »
Thanks for that report it was very informative and helpful.