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Offline Laughing Snake

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Over the Barrel Suppressors
« on: March 01, 2018, 11:24:42 PM »
I've been mulling over suppressing my Bren for a while. I think I've narrowed my choices down to over the barrel suppressors from AMTAC, OSS, CZ's new offering or create my own. Has anyone had experience with this type or suppressor? I'd like to maintain what balance the Bren has.

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Re: Over the Barrel Suppressors
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2018, 01:00:40 AM »
I have no experience with the mentioned suppressors.  Having said that, as soon as my Gemtrek Trek gets out of suppressor jail, its going on my CZ 805 Bren.  The Trek is simple and rugged, a perfect match for my Bren.  Good luck with your project.


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Re: Over the Barrel Suppressors
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2018, 11:38:57 PM »
On the other hand, that is a very cool screen name. :)

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Re: Over the Barrel Suppressors
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2018, 09:01:31 AM »
I'd go AMTAC over the barrel...from what I've read and seen its a pretty solid design...plus its direct thread...which is what I prefer...gives you perfect alignment...plus its serviceable....and its got more volume than most other suppressors...so less gas in the face....

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Re: Over the Barrel Suppressors
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2018, 10:29:58 AM »
On the other hand, that is a very cool screen name. :)

Some diehard Metal Gear Solid fans might know the reference.

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Re: Over the Barrel Suppressors
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2018, 04:42:06 PM »
I like the integral suppressor but the Bren has an expensive barrel to replace and don't want add permanent holes, otherwise integral is what I want.

Is there a significant difference in perceived back pressure/gas in the face between integral and reflex?
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Re: Over the Barrel Suppressors
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2018, 03:48:37 AM »
I know this might be a strange reply but have you considered a Knight?s NT4 or whatever they?re calling them these days? Yes they?re heavy but have a fantastic locking mechanism and work similarly to a B&T Rotex. Without getting crazy and going with a NT4 MAMS, a base NT4 mount is less than 120.00 and comes with shims.

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Re: Over the Barrel Suppressors
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2018, 11:01:40 PM »
After looking up the NT4, it is something I could be interested in but not for the Bren. There is an AR I'm working on the NT4 would be good for.

Offline Erreertt

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Re: Over the Barrel Suppressors
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2018, 08:47:41 PM »
Never tried on a Bren. But love the amtac

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Re: Over the Barrel Suppressors
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2018, 02:46:44 AM »
Here's a photo of the new CZ Ti 7.62x39 reflex can on a CZ Bren 2 7.62x39 with the 11" barrel.



I ended up buying the 11" Bren 2, and might get the CZ reflex can in the future because of how well the can fits over the barrel.

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Re: Over the Barrel Suppressors
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2018, 06:26:27 AM »
I recommend doing some research before using a titanium can on a semi-auto rifle that will be used for rapid fire, especially if you intend to shoot at night, more especially if with night vision. I also recommend reconsidering using a reflex can if the best rifle balance is your goal.

If you want my opinion based on my experience, read on.

Cans using titanium baffles wear out faster than other materials and also typically project sparks with every shot that are very visible in low light and very annoying with night vision. With rifle cans, wearing out is much more of an issue than it is for pistol or rimfire cans. Cans get louder as the baffle apertures erode to become larger and larger. I've seen an Ops Inc can made of all stainless steel that had extensive erosion, and was noticeably louder than a new can rated at 140dB, after only 10,000 rounds or so of use on a 12.5" 5.56 barrel.

Reflex cans are a compromise design that focuses specifically on shorter length, not better balance. Reflex can = shorter overall length but heavier than a conventional can of the same sound reduction, or shorter OAL but louder than a conventional can of the same weight. I've found that there's less difference in distributing some of the mass behind and in front of the muzzle than simply having a lighter can with all it's mass forward of the muzzle.

In short, for your purpose of the best balance possible on a semi-auto rifle, I recommend looking for a conventional can using the toughest material at the lightest weight possible that reduces sound to at least 140dB on a standard sound test. (I find I can't tell the difference in the sound of rifle cans until they get louder than about 143dB or so. Louder than that and they start to lose the pleasant "SNAP, hiss" and become more of a bark like a shotgun.)

IMO, the best can out right now for your balance requirement would be the new Energetic Arms "Vox" with the direct thread attachment and with the wipe removed. https://www.esilencers.com/product/energetic-armament-vox-direct-thread/ Specifically, the direct thread method of attachment saves around 1/4 pound over the quick attach types, which has significant effect on balance that far forward. Total weight, about 12oz.

Another good choice (that you may find more available in the near term as the Vox can is brand new) would be the Silencerco Omega with 1/2"x28 direct thread attachment and an aftermarket titanium flat front cap from Howard Elliott Enterprises. Total weight, about 13oz.

Both of these cans also offer the option to switch to quick attach, at a weight penalty of around 5oz, should you decide to do so at a later date with the purchase of a QA adapter.

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Re: Over the Barrel Suppressors
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2018, 10:24:14 AM »
^^
The VOX looks interesting.
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Re: Over the Barrel Suppressors
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2018, 08:00:25 PM »
I have an Ops Inc can. I'm very happy with it.

The Mk12 SPR with the Ops Inc 12th model (now known as the Allen Engineering AEM5) is one of the quietest 5.56 setups ever.

I find that they do balance just fine, better than my other rifle can, which is a tradition design, and is the same overall weight and length (I'm comparing a Griffin Recce-7 to my Ops Inc 15th model, both are 7" and 17 oz.). I was planning to get an AEM2 CQB can as soon as funds allow. However the new CZ suppressors are intriguing to me, and I may get one of those instead.

The Ops Inc/Allen Engineering cans have more benefits than just length. They also are some of the lowest back pressure cans you can get without going to a flow-through design like OSS, and the two-piece mounting system, while adding some complexity to the rifle, actually tensions the barrel for improved harmonics and this better accuracy.

Ron Allen, the guy that helped design the cans with Phil Seberger (now deceased as I understand it), is very active in the community and posts over on ARFCOM quite frequently. When Phil Seberger got in trouble and Ops Inc started to decline, Ron picked  up the mantle and resumed production.

By the way, if you watch the movie "Lone Survivor" there is a lot of Ops Inc suppressor porn.

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Re: Over the Barrel Suppressors
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2018, 10:29:53 AM »
Quick question, how much room behind the muzzle do you need for the CZ can? Looks like about 3.5" if the 11.5" barrel makes it back to the equivalent thread shoulder on the 8" barrel.
Here's a photo of the new CZ Ti 7.62x39 reflex can on a CZ Bren 2 7.62x39 with the 11" barrel.



I ended up buying the 11" Bren 2, and might get the CZ reflex can in the future because of how well the can fits over the barrel.

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