CGW Race hammer..

[dannyvi]

Installation converts the safety in my Rami safety or any other CZ using safety instead of BD enabling it to be used when hammer is down or at half- cock ? I like this as it would be safe to carry loaded with safety engaged!

[cntrydawwwg]

With the race hammer the safety can be flipped on at hammer down.
   It is not recommended to use it this way. Damage can occur to the safety and/or sear.

[Tok36]

^^Agreed. It is a bad idea to engage the safety lever with the hammer in the fully down position or at the half cock position. To my knowledge the CZ75 variant safety is only designed to work with the hammer fully cocked. In some cases doing otherwise may not stop the hammer from falling with the safety engaged.

[dannyvi]

I am no expert on CZs but reading from the CGW tutorials, with the race hammer there are 3 instances you can put the safety up. Hammer down, hammer halfcocked and fully cocked ( but wont engage) . Doesnt seem mention any problem. Hope you dont mind my curiousity as i was planning to buy a race hammer to put on my stainless Rami P as i favor this kind of carry..

[Tok36]

I am no expert on CZs but reading from the CGW tutorials, with the race hammer there are 3 instances you can put the safety up. Hammer down, hammer halfcocked and fully cocked ( but wont engage) . Doesnt seem mention any problem. Hope you dont mind my curiousity as i was planning to buy a race hammer to put on my stainless Rami P as i favor this kind of carry..

Interesting, can you link the tutorial where you read this. I would like to check it out.

I believe the main issue is that the trigger can still be pulled some distance with the hammer down in some pistols. When this is done it can jamb up some of the parts and cause damage.

[dannyvi]

Right now, i just got my other Rami P with alloy lower which has the CGW defensive carry kit and race hammee . With the hammer down and also at halfcock. Its hard to pull tne trigger unless you really try, which i did not. At full cock, it wont fire. In the for sale parts on CGWs web site where  the race hammer is featured,  there is a short tutoeial on installing the race hammer and what to expect. Does not seem to have a warning .Seems like most DA/SA pistols with safety acts the same when safety is engaged . I could be wrong but hope not as i prefer it this way.

[dannyvi]

Sorry, but i dont know how to post links.. it would be on page 6 under Rami parts  "RHK RACE HAMMER KIT"  in CGW catqlogue.

[1SOW]

I am no expert on CZs but reading from the CGW tutorials, with the race hammer there are 3 instances you can put the safety up. Hammer down, hammer halfcocked and fully cocked ( but wont engage) . Doesnt seem mention any problem. Hope you dont mind my curiousity as i was planning to buy a race hammer to put on my stainless Rami P as i favor this kind of carry..

Interesting, can you link the tutorial where you read this. I would like to check it out.

I believe the main issue is that the trigger can still be pulled some distance with the hammer down in some pistols. When this is done it can jamb up some of the parts and cause damage.

Strictly from memory of an old guy:  Quite some time back I believe David/schmeky said it isn't a good idea to engage the race hammer safety except when fully cocked.  Seems like it had to do with the race hammer hooks and and limited sear engagement. 
Before I would do it, I'd simply ask David by phone, email or PM.

[Tok36]

I believe this has more to do with some folks not liking that the safety lever could be flipped up at half cock & hammer down positions. So i read this as a disclaimer informing folks how a CZ pistol will work after installation of a race hammer. It dose not state clearly if the a pistol has full safety function with the hammer down or at half cock. I had not read that i a while, thank you for the link boo2112.

I agree with 1SOW a good way to be sure is to contact CGW. If you find further clarity on the subject please post it up. 

[dannyvi]

Thanks for all your input. I suppose this hold true roall CZ pistol using the safety fearure and non BD. I will be asking  CGW about this. The race hammer does disable the gun in all the 3 modes but will fire upon lowering safety. Unless David or Schmesky says otherwise, works for me.

[Underwhere]

The race hammer does disable the gun in all the 3 modes but will fire upon lowering safety. Unless David or Schmesky says otherwise, works for me.

My reading of "DO NOT cycle the action in DA with the hammer down and the manual safety in the up position" implies that engaging the safety will not prevent the gun from firing in DA mode. Furthermore,  it only states with the 3rd mode "Hammer at full cock" will the safety prevent the hammer from dropping when pulling the trigger.

As you said, it will be interesting to see what CGW says about this.

The hammer does not fall when you have the safety engaged in a hammer-down scenario.

The issue they bring up is the cycling of the slide in hammer-down mode with the safety engaged...potentially damaging parts if you attempt to do it. (Most people don't gingerly rack the slide)

[dannyvi]

Do any of you have a CZ P pistol with the safety? Older models do and i ,myself, prefer the safety over the BD models. In uncocked and halfcock, the trigger will not fire with safety up. Or ,rather, it is very hsrd to pull ! I suppose pulling really hard would damage something which would be stupid.i received an email from Micah that the the safety is intended for full cock only. Nothing else as  I asked if it was bad for the gun. I intend to carry it as i carry my other guns with safety. Loaded, halfcocked with safety on. Unless proven otherwise. 

[cntrydawwwg]

The race hammer does disable the gun in all the 3 modes but will fire upon lowering safety. Unless David or Schmesky says otherwise, works for me.

My reading of "DO NOT cycle the action in DA with the hammer down and the manual safety in the up position" implies that engaging the safety will not prevent the gun from firing in DA mode. Furthermore,  it only states with the 3rd mode "Hammer at full cock" will the safety prevent the hammer from dropping when pulling the trigger.

As you said, it will be interesting to see what CGW says about this.

   This is the way I?ve always understood it from both CGW and CZC.
    Just because the trigger won?t pull thru at hammer down or half cock doesn?t mean it can?t. You could force it thru, there by damaging the hammer hooks and or sear. But yes, hopefully David or Stuart will stop by and comment.

[dannyvi]

Thanks! Micah at CGW did rely with just one comment that the safety is only intended for full cock just like the OEM. I had hoped for more !

[schmeky]

boo2112,

CGW should clarify and clearly state if applying the safety "up" prevents the gun from firing in DA mode with the race hammer down or at half-cock

We have done this for the last 5 years, it's on our website, please see the link below: 
https://cajungunworks.com/product/race-hammer-kit/