Original unfired Pre-B

[FluffyTheCat]

Hello everyone.

Last month I found a pre-B Model 75 still in in the original box. The pistol was unfired and it came with the test target, owners manual and warranty card.

The pistol also has a very high polish blue finish.

I dont know how to post pictures here and if someone who care to post them, I will e mail them to him or her.


Please send me a pm.

[DenStinett]

Welcome to the Forum Fluffy
First you need to post your Pics to a third party hosting site like Photobucket
Then on here, you click the icon below the "B" (bold) and next to the PDF buttons ... "Insert Image"
I feel it looks a bit like a pair of Binoculars, but it is suppose to be a picture
You'll get something like this:  [ img][/img ]
Insert your copied Image Link (from the Third Party) between the ][s
It'll look something like this:
[ img]blabla-someother/junk/.jpg[/img ]
If you use the none-pay side of Photoshop, you have add ~original after the .jpg and before the [/img
Like this: [Img]http://.......blajunk/stuff.jpg~original[/img ]
Hope this helps

[Grendel]

Alternatively, you could take five minutes to read the Important Information! forum which has the instructions on how to post pictures in the first thread.

[Blackwatch]

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[Blackwatch]

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[Psyop96]

Very nice, FluffyTheCat. All classic pre-B save for the ring hammer  (and unusual grip style)....is that a 1992?
(Good work, Blackwatch).

[SP01bob]

That's a beauty for sure.
I'm curious, other than the firing pin block absent on these earlier 75's, what makes these desirable. I love milsurps in general, and an now thinking about putting one if these into my collection.

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[FluffyTheCat]

The B models are excellent pistols, but the Pre-Bs had little touches that appeal more to me.  For example most Pre-Bs have the scalloped cocking grooves on the slide.  The B model does not have the scalloped grooves and the lack of the scalloped grooves are why some people complain that the CZ 75 slide is difficult to grasp.

The pre-B came in different models.  The common baked on enamel finish had a crude but appealing industrial look.   The less common parkerized model had a charming old school look to it.  And the spur hammer and round trigger guard just looked so graceful. 

Most of the Pre-Bs lacked roll pins and the front sight of a pistol should fit into a dovetail--like the classic Pre-B.  Some Pre-Bs have a roll pinned front sight and this is just not as appealing to the eye.

The original Pre-B came with a factory test target that was also the epitome of cool.

Finally, there's the nostalgia factor.  These guns are from a time when I was young and happy.  I could not afford them then and now I can .   Whenever  I hold one of my pre-Bs, once again I am 23 years old and once again I am a slim 160 pounds and good looking. 

The B models are great, but the pre-Bs were better made. 

[Dvdreed1966]

That's a sweet Pre B, love the blued CZ!

[Psyop96]

That's a beauty for sure.
I'm curious, other than the firing pin block absent on these earlier 75's, what makes these desirable. I love milsurps in general, and an now thinking about putting one if these into my collection.

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For me, it?s a combination of...
History - Made in Czechoslovakia, Czech Made, Made in Czech Republic; Cold War era.
Style and finish - the 80-83 models usually have a nice blue finish; the ones after have a somewhat fragile painted surface that have a mil-surp look; a couple styles of rounded trigger guards (larger, more rounded shape from 1986); the so-called ?transitionals? with the evolving combat trigger guard, slide stop, safety, front sights, hammer, grips, roll mark changes. Different packaging and importers. Not to mention the occasional odd ones such as an ambi-safety from 1984.
Mechanical - as you?ve already mentioned, the lack of a firing pin block that permits a shorter SA reset. However, the new magazines don?t fit except for the late transitional frames and the factory SP-01 mags do work.
Custom work - if you are after something different, the few dollars saved with a mil-surp can be applied towards the refinishing and custom work.
The more recent mil-surp Compact models (safety and decocker, steel and alum alloy) from the 90s and into the early 2000s offer yet another set of interesting and different pistols to work with.

Others can chime in their preferences....

[SP01bob]

The B models are excellent pistols, but the Pre-Bs had little touches that appeal more to me.  For example most Pre-Bs have the scalloped cocking grooves on the slide.  The B model does not have the scalloped grooves and the lack of the scalloped grooves are why some people complain that the CZ 75 slide is difficult to grasp.

The pre-B came in different models.  The common baked on enamel finish had a crude but appealing industrial look.   The less common parkerized model had a charming old school look to it.  And the spur hammer and round trigger guard just looked so graceful. 

Most of the Pre-Bs lacked roll pins and the front sight of a pistol should fit into a dovetail--like the classic Pre-B.  Some Pre-Bs have a roll pinned front sight and this is just not as appealing to the eye.

The original Pre-B came with a factory test target that was also the epitome of cool.

Finally, there's the nostalgia factor.  These guns are from a time when I was young and happy.  I could not afford them then and now I can .   Whenever  I hold one of my pre-Bs, once again I am 23 years old and once again I am a slim 160 pounds and good looking. 

The B models are great, but the pre-Bs were better made.

I appreciate the explanation and details of your post. Thanks for the post. Finding ways to connect to our past and good times is a wonderful reason for collecting old items. I will observe those areas you've mentioned with the one I have and others I'll buy down the road.

For me, it?s a combination of...
History - Made in Czechoslovakia, Czech Made, Made in Czech Republic; Cold War era.
Style and finish - the 80-83 models usually have a nice blue finish; the ones after have a somewhat fragile painted surface that have a mil-surp look; a couple styles of rounded trigger guards (larger, more rounded shape from 1986); the so-called ?transitionals? with the evolving combat trigger guard, slide stop, safety, front sights, hammer, grips, roll mark changes. Different packaging and importers. Not to mention the occasional odd ones such as an ambi-safety from 1984.
Mechanical - as you?ve already mentioned, the lack of a firing pin block that permits a shorter SA reset. However, the new magazines don?t fit except for the late transitional frames and the factory SP-01 mags do work.
Custom work - if you are after something different, the few dollars saved with a mil-surp can be applied towards the refinishing and custom work.
The more recent mil-surp Compact models (safety and decocker, steel and alum alloy) from the 90s and into the early 2000s offer yet another set of interesting and different pistols to work with.

Others can chime in their preferences....

I appreciate that. I would like to find one from the early 80's before the cold war ended. I also like the nostalgia of milsurp weapons in general, adding to the fact that CZ's are my favorite gun manufacturer that I have decided to collect.

Speaking of custom work. I have a 75 BD Police pistol from Israel that I'd like to blue and have polished. It looks rough, and I haven't even fired it yet. So, I need to spend some time with it on the range and decide if refinishing it is the direction I want to go.

I just found this 75 pre-B semi-compact (94 model). It looks great in every way. I have newer compacts, so acquiring their grandpa is a fun addition to the family.







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[Psyop96]

Here?s a favorite...a 75 D Compact steel frame surplus that was rejuvenated by CGW a few years ago. It shot extremely well in original condition so it became the candidate for a blue finish to replace the surplus condition and updated with the Pro-package. Hope your 75 BD gets refinished.

[FluffyTheCat]

I just bought a pre B CZ 85.  But this is one odd duck.  It has the spur hammer and it does not have a firing pin block.  But it has the squared trigger guard and the pinned front sight.

It does not have scalloped slide cocking grooves.

It was also made in 1992.   It has the paint finish and it was formerly a Czech police gun. Its another interesting gun

[Blackwatch]

I just bought a pre B CZ 85.  But this is one odd duck.  It has the spur hammer and it does not have a firing pin block.  But it has the squared trigger guard and the pinned front sight.

It does not have scalloped slide cocking grooves.

It was also made in 1992.   It has the paint finish and it was formerly a Czech police gun. Its another interesting gun

Sounds like an early transitional

[rhart]

My 94 transitional doesn't have the scalloped cocking - darn! My other pre-B is a beat up piece of junk with a very sloppy slide-to-frame fit. I don't know what I did with the slide so I can't check for the scalloped cocking - I put a Kadet kit on my 85C and have the 85C slide on the pre-B frame so I'm guessing the pre-B slide is in the 85C box. If I ever stumble upon the box I will try to remember to check for scalloping. Since the 85C slide is just as sloppy as the pre-B slide on the pre-B frame, I might try running the pre-B slide on another frame if the scalloping is there. As received, the pre-B wouldn't hit anywhere near the same spot on a target at 7 yards so I've written it off as a loss. I can't remember the year for sure, but I think it was an 87 model.