NCIS Check to Buy Ammo?

[Beak Boater]

She is serious about proposing legislation.....wont go far. But concerning that she would try. Interesting to note, she says a gun is just a useless hunk of junk without bullets. It also cannot pull its own trigger.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-florida-school-shooting-wasserman-schultz-legislation-20180323-story.html

[Tok36]

Recently here in California you can no longer have ammunition shipped to your place of residence. You are required to have it shipped to an FFL where you are charged a transfer fee to pick up the ammunition, instant background checks for ammo purchases will soon follow. We are banned from bringing ammunition in from another state as well. Semi auto rifles with removable magazines are no longer legal to buy. If you owned a semi auto with a removable magazine before the law went into effect you are required to register it with the state.

I wish they would ban career politicians.

[Tyerone]

You mean Wasserman Shulz isn't in jail for subverting an election???  Oh yeah she was promoted to the Clinton campaign right after rigging the primary debates against Bernie...colluding with Russia in creation of the fake dossier used in the FISA court to unmask Americans, spy on politcal opposition...
Clinton foundation profits from USA transfer of Uranium assets to Russia.

Hard to believe that Dems still hold on to Watergate as the scandal of century, lol.

Just say, "No".

[armoredman]

I'm sorry, Tok, that state was bad when I left in 1989, out of the service. I was hauling the UZI I bought right before Roberti-Roos.
I understand there is all kinds of restrictions on reloading, too.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

Kaleefoornya is a prime example in fact that liberalism is a serious mental disorder and they have it bad like a stage 5 cancer.
wasserman schultz is another loon,she's parroting what feinstein proposed in the early 90's along with patrick moynihan. They wanted back ground checks and exorbitant taxes on ammo. moynihan claimed"we'll tax them out of existence"

[rhart]

At one time, they tried to ban "Saturday Nght Specials - cheap guns - but I believe some court, maybe the Supreme court, ruled it was unconstitutional as it discriminated against and disenfranchised the poor. Maybe that approach would work against this law if it passes...

[Grendel]

Please discuss the subject of the post, not wander off the track into general bitching about politics. Thank you.

[IDescribe]

They're not going to require a process that requires 10-15 minutes to fill out paperwork plus some undetermined wait for purchases that happen as regularly as ammo purchases.  It'd be like having a DUI checkpoint on an interstate -- sure, you could technically do it, but the extreme impracticality of it makes it more or less impossible in practice.

[macktheknife]

New York State passed a law like that as part of our SAFE ACT, but it was never implemented because law enforcement said it would be near impossible to do all of those checks, the nics system would just crash

[rhart]

They're not going to require a process that requires 10-15 minutes to fill out paperwork plus some undetermined wait for purchases that happen as regularly as ammo purchases.  It'd be like having a DUI checkpoint on an interstate -- sure, you could technically do it, but the extreme impracticality of it makes it more or less impossible in practice.

Do you really think anti-gun people care about inconveniencing ammo buyers & sellers? They're probably hoping sellers will stop selling due to the inconvenience. By the way, I have seen a DUI check on an interstate - late at night on Interstate 75 in Kentucky...

[IDescribe]

I never said they care.  I said it?s not going to happen ? and it?s not going to happen because it?s preposterously impractical to implement.  It?s simply not going to happen.  And everyone here who believed it will never notice they got suckered (again) by a bit of typical gunsite fear-mongering. 

And you have never seen a DUI checkpoint on an Interstate.  No local LEO agency is bringing interstate traffic to a halt for a DUI checkpoint.   

[rhart]

I never said they care.  I said it?s not going to happen ? and it?s not going to happen because it?s preposterously impractical to implement.  It?s simply not going to happen.  And everyone here who believed it will never notice they got suckered (again) by a bit of typical gunsite fear-mongering. 

And you have never seen a DUI checkpoint on an Interstate.  No local LEO agency is bringing interstate traffic to a halt for a DUI checkpoint.   

With respect, you aren't qualified to say what I have seen or not seen. It was a DUI checkpoint and it was conducted by the state patrol around midnight about 20 - 25 years ago - state authorities, not some local LEO agency (although some local LEO may have been present). It remains the only one on an interstate I have ever seen, which is why I remember it so well. I remember I couldn't believe they would do one on an interstate.

I guess this one never happened: http://fourthamendment.com/?p=19881

and I guess Nebraska doesn't do them on I-80. https://www.criminaldefensene.com/ruse-checkpoints/
Apparently they're all liars like me...

[MadDuner]

This all sounds like a great opportunity to setup an ammo supply shop on the border to the Socialist Republik in some place like Quartzite AZ!

Of course when you stop at the border check station where they currently ask you where you are coming from, and where you are going, and also about any vegetables or fruit - they will be asking about ammo and guns then as well.  People will have to work on their "Poker Face" to show "your papers please" and answer in the manner required to make it back into the Socialist Republik without being detained and interrogated while they search your vehicle for smuggled contraband.  I'm sure they will come up with some sort of "trusted comrade" type of documentation to help speed the process of entry.  I can't help but wonder how many years you will get in the gulag for attempting to smuggle in ammunition from the "free states" that border it?

[rhart]

This all sounds like a great opportunity to setup an ammo supply shop on the border to the Socialist Republik in some place like Quartzite AZ!

Of course when you stop at the border check station where they currently ask you where you are coming from, and where you are going, and also about any vegetables or fruit - they will be asking about ammo and guns then as well.  People will have to work on their "Poker Face" to show "your papers please" and answer in the manner required to make it back into the Socialist Republik without being detained and interrogated while they search your vehicle for smuggled contraband.  I'm sure they will come up with some sort of "trusted comrade" type of documentation to help speed the process of entry.  I can't help but wonder how many years you will get in the gulag for attempting to smuggle in ammunition from the "free states" that border it?

Good point about the "border check stations" which are similar to DUI checkpoints on an interstate. The trouble is if it's a federal law...

[rhart]

While I believe that our legislative branch would pass such a law while not worrying about the implementation of it (somebody else's problem), I do believe that it would be impossible to implement (as New York's example illustrates). However, they could require special licenses for ammo purchases which would not require so many background checks. If I'm not mistaken, Illinois requires a special license/ID to purchase ammo? At least I heard that from a friend who tried to buy ammo while there for a match.

Update: Illinois requires an FOID (firearms owner identification) card to transfer or possess ammo and this is likely the model that this proposed law is based on.