CZ P-01 with Shield RMS mounted

[Earl Keese]

I see the Shield warranty is for a term of 7 years. Do they have to go to the UK for service?

[bpnkrtn]

Sorry ... I have no information on warranty and service ... maybe someone else on here does.

[Vinny]

It appears to me (remember we have been discussing old eyes  ) the compact version is the same length and height and thickness as the RMS.  The only difference I see is the width.  If my observations are correct then the co-witness would be the same... and it did appear to be the same when I had it mounted.

Thanks, that info really helps!

[Vinny]

So, for what it's worth.....The Shield RMS, Shield-JPoint., and Shield RMSc all have the same mounting pattern; which is the same as Leupold DPPro.
Here's an image showing the Shield RMS on the Leupold p/n 170903 CZ-75 mount which gave me a chance to try a RDS on my P-01 without milling.

I like this setup so much, and based upon Bpnkrtn's encouraging posts..... I just sent my P-01 slide off to Primary to mill for the Shield RMS and Cerakote the slide Titanium color. 
I did ask them to mill 1/1000 or so bigger in case I want to put an RMSc on instead and use the RMS elsewhere. They're supposed to be identical except the RMSc is .095 narrower; that's less than 1/8" but I suppose it might match the slide width better, but I do like the battery drawer on the RMS.
We'll have to see.  Images to follow when I get it back from Primary.
Thanks Bpnkrtn for starting this Post!  -Vinny

[kmanick]

I see the Shield warranty is for a term of 7 years. Do they have to go to the UK for service?

unfortunately yes they do. My first one died on me (very easy to break thee if you over tighten the windage or elevation screw)
took almost a month to get to get a new one sent to me.

[boss281]

Is the extractor roll pin easily accessed? I cant tell how close the front of the RD is to the pin...

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[SP01bob]

This is great information, thanks guys!!

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[Vinny]

Is the extractor roll pin easily accessed? I cant tell how close the front of the RD is to the pin...

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I believe Raining Brass can best answer this question specifically. Primary's cut is usually .100 deep to preserve access.

[Raining_Brass]

Depends on configuration. With the RMS if you select to mill out the rear dovetail, it doesn't go into the extractor retaining pin at all. If you select to mill in front the OEM dovetail we mill that area, but does't hinder function in any way.

[Vinny]

Depends on configuration. With the RMS if you select to mill out the rear dovetail, it doesn't go into the extractor retaining pin at all. If you select to mill in front the OEM dovetail we mill that area, but does't hinder function in any way.

So if I understand correctly, if the RMS is milled in front of rear dovetail; the extractor retaining pin can still be accessed by removing the optic?

[Raining_Brass]

Depends on configuration. With the RMS if you select to mill out the rear dovetail, it doesn't go into the extractor retaining pin at all. If you select to mill in front the OEM dovetail we mill that area, but does't hinder function in any way.

So if I understand correctly, if the RMS is milled in front of rear dovetail; the extractor retaining pin can still be accessed by removing the optic?

Oh, yes of course. There's no way it can be done away with completely for obvious reasons. 

[Earl Keese]

I caved today and bought an RMR. I just can't bring myself to buy a Shield RMS with how fragile they seem to be. I hope they make some improvements because they really are the perfect solution for metal framed CZ's. Until then I'll have to be satisfied with my P10 for an RDS host.

[bpnkrtn]

I caved today and bought an RMR. I just can't bring myself to buy a Shield RMS with how fragile they seem to be. I hope they make some improvements because they really are the perfect solution for metal framed CZ's. Until then I'll have to be satisfied with my P10 for an RDS host.

Earl ... Howdy and welcome to the world of red dots.  I'm curious as to your experience that makes you say the RMS is fragile ... I appreciate hearing about it.

[Earl Keese]

I caved today and bought an RMR. I just can't bring myself to buy a Shield RMS with how fragile they seem to be. I hope they make some improvements because they really are the perfect solution for metal framed CZ's. Until then I'll have to be satisfied with my P10 for an RDS host.

Earl ... Howdy and welcome to the world of red dots.  I'm curious as to your experience that makes you say the RMS is fragile ... I appreciate hearing about it.

To be clear, I'm not saying they're crap or anything. Quite the contrary, this would be my only choice for a metal framed CZ. I'm not new to red dots, I've had FF3's for a couple years now. One on a Kadet, another on a 97B, and most recently on my Scorpion.
 The RMR/P10 will be my first to have milled, so I've been watching reviews and reading before making the commitment. Admittedly, I don't have first hand experience with the RMS other than holding one. My concern comes from watching the review by Sage Dynamics and reading anecdotal evidence elsewhere. Post 19 in this thread is one of those examples. Honestly I was still on the fence, but that comment pretty much sealed the deal for me. I promise, I don't mean to offend or question anybody else's choice.

[Vinny]

I caved today and bought an RMR. I just can't bring myself to buy a Shield RMS with how fragile they seem to be. I hope they make some improvements because they really are the perfect solution for metal framed CZ's. Until then I'll have to be satisfied with my P10 for an RDS host.

Earl ... Howdy and welcome to the world of red dots.  I'm curious as to your experience that makes you say the RMS is fragile ... I appreciate hearing about it.

To be clear, I'm not saying they're crap or anything. Quite the contrary, this would be my only choice for a metal framed CZ. I'm not new to red dots, I've had FF3's for a couple years now. One on a Kadet, another on a 97B, and most recently on my Scorpion.
 The RMR/P10 will be my first to have milled, so I've been watching reviews and reading before making the commitment. Admittedly, I don't have first hand experience with the RMS other than holding one. My concern comes from watching the review by Sage Dynamics and reading anecdotal evidence elsewhere. Post 19 in this thread is one of those examples. Honestly I was still on the fence, but that comment pretty much sealed the deal for me. I promise, I don't mean to offend or question anybody else's choice.

Earl, I think you made a good choice with the RMR on the P-10. The P-10 slide top is wide enough to accept the wider RMR hole pattern without a mounting plate, yes?

This thread is exploring the options for the narrow CZ-75 slide top; what RDS will fit without needing a plate; and what RDS will fit in front of the rear dovetail that can utilize the stock CZ irons as lower 1/3 co-witness backup. As far as I can tell; the Shield RMS (or RMSc) is the only RDS that can accomplish both. A good cost-effective set-up. Thanks to Bpnkrtn for starting this post.

As far as Sage Dynamics RDS torture testing.....The Trijicon RMR survived using the RDS as a virtual hammer and dropping gun and RDS repeatedly on concrete. Kinda like the MAC torture tests for handguns. The RMR and DPPro are both very solid. No question. I have 2 DPP's and 1 RMR. Really good, but each have their shortcomings. I don't believe they tested the new Shield RMS.
However, I don't use my guns as a hammer nor do I drop them repeatedly on concrete or soak them in wet dirt and expect them to work 100%. Otherwise, I guess we'd all be shooting Glocks.