CZ P-10c Thoughts

[LinuxHack3r]

So, my first carry pistol was a CZ P-01. Loved that thing, placed within me a love for CZ firearms. This was 2012, sorta "before" CZ became more popular. However, at some point, I got Glockitus and started carrying a Glock 19. However, I still have an affinity for CZ firearms. I've recently been thinking about the P-10c as a potential replacement for a Glock 19 carry. I've held one in a store and really liked the feel of the firearm.

However, I do remember when they were first released some "issues" although I admit I don't really remember what they were. Has anything been resolved? It isn't as if Glock has a perfect track record (many issues and then fixes thereof). My recent acquisition of a CZ Scorpion has me excited about CZ even more-so.

Anyone "switched" from carrying a Glock 19 to a P-10c?

[lefty556]

I have, for the most part.  I purchased my first P-10C in December, and switched over to it as a carry gun in March or April.  I have had a few minor issues with the P-10C, but not many.  And once I figured them out, it's been a solid work horse. 

For some reason, my particular pistol doesn't like the 17 round mags.  When I reload with the 17 round mags, it's about 50/50 whether or not the first round in the mag will go into the chamber or nose dive into the feed ramp.  It only happens with the 17 round mags.  15 round and 19 round mags work like a champ.

When I first started shooting the pistol, I would occasionally not get the trigger safety depressed on a full speed draw.  I figured out that it was my trigger finger placement, and with some dry fire, that issue has been resolved.

I don't like the factory sights.  But that's common with most handguns.  Once we had a set of prototype DXT Big Dots, they were on the gun, and that problem was taken care of.

My pistol has run well, once I quit using the 17 round mags.  The trigger is perfectly acceptable.  At 25 yards, I get groups half the size of what I can get the G19 to do.  While the P-10C is marginally bigger than the G19, but not enough to cause issues with concealed carry.

All in all, the P-10C has been, and continues to be, an excellent carry gun. 

With all of that being said, a carry gun is a personal choice.  One that can be, quite literally, a life or death choice.  Whichever pistol you choose to carry, make sure that it's reliable and accurate enough for the task at hand.  Get out, train and practice!  Having confidence in your equipment is a very underestimated thing, and that confidence comes from working with your carry gun.

[LinuxHack3r]

I have, for the most part.  I purchased my first P-10C in December, and switched over to it as a carry gun in March or April.  I have had a few minor issues with the P-10C, but not many.  And once I figured them out, it's been a solid work horse. 

For some reason, my particular pistol doesn't like the 17 round mags.  When I reload with the 17 round mags, it's about 50/50 whether or not the first round in the mag will go into the chamber or nose dive into the feed ramp.  It only happens with the 17 round mags.  15 round and 19 round mags work like a champ.

When I first started shooting the pistol, I would occasionally not get the trigger safety depressed on a full speed draw.  I figured out that it was my trigger finger placement, and with some dry fire, that issue has been resolved.

I don't like the factory sights.  But that's common with most handguns.  Once we had a set of prototype DXT Big Dots, they were on the gun, and that problem was taken care of.

My pistol has run well, once I quit using the 17 round mags.  The trigger is perfectly acceptable.  At 25 yards, I get groups half the size of what I can get the G19 to do.  While the P-10C is marginally bigger than the G19, but not enough to cause issues with concealed carry.

All in all, the P-10C has been, and continues to be, an excellent carry gun. 

With all of that being said, a carry gun is a personal choice.  One that can be, quite literally, a life or death choice.  Whichever pistol you choose to carry, make sure that it's reliable and accurate enough for the task at hand.  Get out, train and practice!  Having confidence in your equipment is a very underestimated thing, and that confidence comes from working with your carry gun.

Right. I, generally speaking, do like Glock. But the 10c is an awesome firearm, something that I'm interested in but not entirely sure I'd want to switch. But the curiosity factory is there and it is sorta like I wouldn't know if I liked it entirely unless I bought one, a holster, and carried it for a few weeks.

Maybe I need to pick one up and give it a try for a while.

[Thebillsman]

Love mine, carry it everyday and I'm right around 2,500 rounds with no failures. Great trigger, shoots flat and excellent value.

[dwhitehorne]

I prefer the P10C over the Glock 19 for a few reasons.  I've had a G19 since 1994 and recently got rid of it after I picked up a 19X.  I still have a G23 also and have owned most Glock models.  Whether you like the CZ better will be up to you.  The Glock 19 really the perfect size of a compact weapon you can shoot like a duty gun. 

Now that the P10C has come out I prefer the CZ over the Glock.  The P10C is one of the only weapons that is as thin as the Glock 19.  The CZ grip feels better to me than a Glock with finger grooves.  Now that the gen 5 is out the finger grooves are gone but the cut out in the front strap showed.  The compact Glock has always been a little short for me as I would pinch the palm of my hand doing fast reloads.  The CZ grip is a bit longer in the rear where the lanyard ring is.  Not an issue for me for concealment and I think it aids in making the grip just long enough for me.  My CZ triggers have a crisper factory break than any Glock I've owned.  Also every Glock compact I've ever owned has immediately had a smooth face G17 trigger installed.  I also prefer the metal CZ sights to the plastic Glock sights.  I also do not care for the angled rear sight profile of the Glock.  You can always get a hundred dollar Glock replacement trigger or replacement rear sights but I don't have to with the P10C.

As for updates to the CZ, I purchased a 2016 model when they first came out.  I had that one cerakoted and did not care how it turned out so I sold it. I now have a 2017 model and just got a 2018 FDE gun.  I never encountered any issues with the three pistols I have owned.  I will admit I never got over 1500 rounds through my first one and the FDE gun I've only had about a month. 

Off the top of my head you will read about a stiff magazine release.  I will admit with a loaded mag on a closed slide the mag release is stiff.  BUT with a loaded mag you don't want to inadvertently bump the ambi mag release with a seatbelt or something and drop it.  No one ever complains about the mag release on a slide locked empty gun.  In fact the mags actually fly out when they are empty. 

The slide stop is stiff.  Yes it is and it is a good size but flat on the CZ making it more difficult to manipulate.  Glock has a smaller yet flat button and it is so stiff they don't even refer to it as a slide release.  They have changed the manual of arms over the years to the "slide stop" and convinced everyone that sling shotting the slide on a reload is now a prefered gross motor skill.  So if thumbing down the slide release is a fine motor skill what is pull a trigger considered.

There are people refering to the striker assembly turning and the backing plate falling down.  I would say I have never seen a report of anyone with a striker rotating while firing the weapon.  Only with reaching up and manually manipulating it.  I'm sure at few have had the back plate drop down and cause a malfunction.  I would say that it could possibly come from the factory improperly seated because the inside of the back plate has a deep half moon cut that holds the back of the striker collar.  With everything in place properly it should be fine.  Additionally CZ has recently machined a groove in the striker channel and changed how the striker collar fits in the back of the slide. 

A few have also had the slide lock up when the leg of the slide stop spring has popped up out of its retainer.  I have only seen this reported to happen to a hand full of guns.  I don't know how many of those were detail stripped by the owner prior to that happening or if they were improperly installed from the factory.  CZ has also addressed this possible issue by redesigning the locking block to better secure the spring. 

So back to the Glock.  My 1994 Glock 19 that was an LE gun with night sights had to go back to Glock on my dime when the tritum vial of the rear sight went out.  Glock admitted that the machine that installed the rear sights was hitting to hard and broke the vials.  I still had to pay to ship it back.  In 1994 there was no option to look on Amazon and just pick another rear sight so back it went.  Then within 6 months I was notified of a safety upgrade and Glock paid for me to return my Glock for a new trigger bar and some other parts.  I kept that one for over 23 years before getting rid of it. Glock is all the way up to generation 5 with updates so that tells you everyone in the firearms industry is constantly updating their products.

So in the end you have a Glock that you already own with nearly 40 years of refinement up against a CZ model that has been out not quite 3 years.  I'm still liking the CZ better but your opinion may be different.  In the end you have to get both and shoot them to decide.  I've been in a battle with a FDE VP9 and P10C for the past year.  The P10C won for me and I got rid of the FDE VP9 to pick up a FDE P10C.  The other guy probably go the better end of the deal price wise but I like the CZ better so that's all that matters to me.  Your opinion may be different.  Good luck with your choice.  Davi

[2morechains]

Even tho I own a G19 (and G43 and G34) I?ve never really relied on the G19 as an EDC gun.  Pros:  It worked, always works, and has always been reliable (unless you change stuff which is a double edge sword bc there?s so much after-market support for Glocks).  Good balance of size and capacity.  Cons:  Blocky, trigger takes a lot to get used to, don?t like the mag release on the Gen 3 or Gen 4, with Gen 4 being marginally better.  Looking down the slide is like looking down a 2-lane hwy.  I also get slide bite on my right hand?s thumb everytime I shoot a Glock.  I do carry my G43 fairly often especially in the summer in shorts and a T. 

First time I picked up a CZ P10C it felt great in the hand.  Trigger much easier to get used to. Ergos fit me way better and the chamfering of the slide made it seem smaller/less blocky.  And no slide bite.  I too heard about all the issues when they first came out: FTRB when the striker plate drops down, clocking striker assembly, stiff mag release, stiff slide release (or is it a slide stop...), and breaking striker tips.  But I got one anyway (C40XXXX serial) after they?d been out for 6-8 months and mine had the chamfer on the striker plate and have yet to induce or experiencea FTRB from the striker plate. 

That said, I did replace the trigger with the HBi, also replaced the OEM striker with the CGW one and noticed an immediate difference in the amount of clocking. I was ready to replace the striker plate with the CZC aluminum one, but have not because the OEM one hasn?t caused any problems.   

More to the point I?ve shot that gun a lot in the 10 months I?ve owned it.  I?ve shot it in practice, doing drills, and shot it in a number of competitions ranging from 3-gun to 2-gun to USPSA and IDPA matches because I?ve had guns that only exhibit problems when under the pressure of time-induced competition.  Other than some light strikes bc I put the HBi lighter striker spring in initially it?s been 100%.  I trust it enough for it to be a carry gun. 

[Black Wolf]

My P10c is a smooth, accurate, flat shooting little pistol that I love shooting BUT do not trust enough to carry (yet).

I am about to leave.  The P10c will stay home, the M&P 2.0 Compact will be on me when I go.  It has proven itself, while the P10c has cast doubt on itself.  Hopefully, it will earn a spot in my waistband, but it has not yet. YMMV.

[armoredman]

For the first time in my life I own two of the same handgun, a P-10C FDE and a P-10C White Nitride. The White Knight rides with me daily. I have carried the G19 as a duty sidearm for over 16 years, and have qualified with it Expert or Distinguished Expert with it 15 out of 16 times...had one bad day, missed Expert by one point. I don't like the way it feels in my hand - the P-10C feels just right, but then again, dang near ALL CZ pistols feel like that to me. I also never wanted to carry a striker fired pistol until I met the P-10C. Even CZ upper Admin was surprised when i mentioned how much I liked it.
Caveat - as an LT I don't HAVE to carry a Glock anymore, but still qualify with it.