Found why Winchester white box was not feeding

[Tim_B]

So, in the last week I have had three instances with two different guns of Winchester white box 115 gr. 9mm not feeding all the way.  The slide would remain about just over 1/8 inch out of battery.  Each time I cleared it, reinserted the round into the magazine to give it another chance but each time it did the same thing with the slide not quite fully in battery.  I examined each round and I did not see any obvious irregularities until I put it next to another round of the same WWB 115 gr FMJ. It was then that I noticed that the cartridge cases of the rounds that would not feed were slightly longer than the ones that would feed normally.  When I took a picture of them and looked at the enlarged picture I could also see that the case mouth of the normal rounds was very slightly tapered in at the very top and that is to the point where you can see that it actually squeezed the bullet diameter inward a bit and the abnormally long rounds were very slightly flared outward at the case mouth with no squeezing of the bullet diameter.  See the picture below and you can see how the cartridge case is noticeably longer and you can see the flare in the mouth of the longer case. 

When I click on the picture below I can see the whole uncropped picture.  Let me know if that works for you too.

[Tim_B]

Well, after posting this I read the post liked below and when I saw figure C in that post it had an illustration of exactly what happened in this case.

See figure c in this post:

https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=78873.0

[Igrlik]

Taper crimp don?t make case shorter! This longer case is just lemon, defective work, faulty piece, failure... don?t buy such bleeptt! 
(You can be finished with OOB and destroyed gun and probably destroyed hand too!!!)

[painter]

It's a combination of both insufficient taper, and an overly long case.

Good catch.

[Rmach]

Thanks for reporting this!

[M1A4ME]

Tim, I get Federal 115 grain FMJ ammo at my local Walmart for just under $17 per 100 rounds.  It was about a $1 more but they've reduced the price (I didn't ask why, I just bought some for plinking.)

I have a few rounds of 115 grain FMJ Winchester ammo left in 100 round box.  It was both dirtier than the Federal and shot bigger groups.  In my gun anyway.  Oh, in my AR 9MM carbine, too.

[recoilguy]

Tim, I get Federal 115 grain FMJ ammo at my local Walmart for just under $17 per 100 rounds.  It was about a $1 more but they've reduced the price (I didn't ask why, I just bought some for plinking.)

I have a few rounds of 115 grain FMJ Winchester ammo left in 100 round box.  It was both dirtier than the Federal and shot bigger groups.  In my gun anyway.  Oh, in my AR 9MM carbine, too.

WWB is the dirtiest ammo I have ever shot!
I hate it.
now it appears the QC department is on vacation there as well.

Tim, You are shooting a CZ of some kind I assume put good ammo in a good gun.

RCG

[Wobbly]

Winchester hasn't invented anything in a century. They merely exist as a marketing company, and as such their main job seems to be to make things cheaper and cheaper so that they can make more money.

To me their one strong suit was Olin and the ammo division. But even that's been on a downward spiral in recent years.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

9mm ammo has come down so much in price recently there just doesn't seem to be any good reason to buy bargain crap ammo like this. There is some really good quality ammo available now at really good case prices. Aim surplus and www.ammunitionstore.com have some great deals.

[thedude]

I agree that WWB seems to be less than quality, but I've seen bad ammo from a lot of manufacturers lately.  I really need to get into reloading. 

[painter]

I agree that WWB seems to be less than quality, but I've seen bad ammo from a lot of manufacturers lately.  I really need to get into reloading.

Bingo!


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[thedude]

Bingo!

I know, I know.   

Federal HST on the left and Remington UMC on the right.  The UMC is not the greatest either, but HST I expect better QC!




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[Tim_B]

I've shot tens of thousands of rounds of Winchester white box in .45 ACP in eight different 1911's without a problem.  It was only the 9mm stuff that was giving me problems.  After posting this here I went to Winchester's website to message them about it along with the picture to make them aware of it.  It may be something as simple as a worn part that needs to be replaced in one of their machines.  Unfortunately the message you send them is limited to 255 characters so I couldn't go into any detail.  It was kinda like saying ammo not feeding, cases too long and not taper crimped, see picture.  Maybe if they email or call be back I can give more info.

[Wobbly]

My son had had a squib load in a box of 9mm Makarov. We even had a video of it, and he called Winchester. They wanted the whole box sent to them at our expense. That was the last of it.

[1SOW]

Maybe you should have responded, "Our lawyer told us to save that box for evidence at the trial if needed".