New P01 Omega shoots really low

[Ron M.]

I tried out my new P01 Omega last night, I'm a bit disappointed, shoots a foot low at 5 yards. My new CZ75B shoots essentially to point of aim at 5, 10 and 15 yards.

I tried several brands and my own reloads with 115gr, 124gr, and 147gr bullets, all shoot low with the P01.

The rear sight is marked with a 6 is this the common rear sight height? 

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

Seems to me most of my 75's have #4 rear sights. I'd run some more rounds through it at further distances from a rest just to verify it being that far off. If it is that gun needs to go back to CZ. A couple inches one way or the other can be adjusted but if it's a foot forget it. Sounds like the gun was wacked at the factory and they stuck the tallest rear sight they had on it to get poi down and it's still off far too much.

[Vinny]

Something isn't right.
The rear sight should be considerably taller than the front.

I measured my P-01 and the difference in height (measuring with a dial caliper from bottom of slide rails to top of sights) is .125.   

Difference is .080 If measured from top of sight down to top of slide. The slide of course is tilted downward.

Was it NIB from a reputable dealer? Did it come with a test firing sheet from CZ showing 5 rounds POI ?

CZ will make it right!

YMMV

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

Something isn't right.
The rear sight should be considerably taller than the front.
CZ will make it right!

YMMV

The front sight could be higher or the rear could be higher depending on what the gun needs for adjustment. CZ sights are adjust by number and he has a #6 sight on the rear which would be taller than the front already and that should be pulling the front sight back up to correct for a low condition which his gun seems to have. The amount his gun is off at such a short distance would seem to indicate a mechanical out of spec condition. I don't think you could get a 1 foot variation from the lowest sight to the highest sight at 5 yards.
CZ will make it right or replace the gun if that's what it takes.
Only other question I have is whether or not this gun has standard sights or is it a suppressor model with the taller sights.

[Vinny]

This is too extreme!
There's now way a P-01 should have a taller front sight than rear sight. Should be the opposite. And it would have been sighted correctly at the factory as shown on the proof sheet. If there's no proof sheet that came with it; I'll bet someone's messed with this AFTER it left CZ.

Is it possible someone.....took off the rear suppressor height sight and substituted a standard height or wrong height?

I would not like to see CZ get blamed for someone else's mistake or misdeed.

Even IF someone messed with it; I think CZ will help you make it right.  Good Luck and keep us posted.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

This is too extreme!
There's now way a P-01 should have a taller front sight than rear sight. Should be the opposite. And it would have been sighted correctly at the factory as shown on the proof sheet. If there's no proof sheet that came with it; I'll bet someone's messed with this AFTER it left CZ.

Is it possible someone.....took off the rear suppressor height sight and substituted a standard height or wrong height?

I would not like to see CZ get blamed for someone else's mistake or misdeed.

Even IF someone messed with it; I think CZ will help you make it right.  Good Luck and keep us posted.

First of all no one said anything about the front sight being taller,he said his rear sight is a #6 which is a tall rear sight.
He already said the gun is new.
The factory target is worth about 2 dead flies. Those targets are nothing more than a nominal function test and if you are lucky you get one with a tight group. If they hit paper they ship them.
I have test targets that look like they were fired from a slingshot yet the guns are tack drivers.
No one blamed CZ for anything yet and so what if they did let the gun go out this way? CZ-USA will fix or replace the gun as needed. It's an accuracy issue and they don't spend any amount of time testing the accuracy of any handgun in any factory in normal production.

[Walt Sherrill]

In all my years of shooting CZs, I have never seen this question addressed by CZ:  What is the appropriate sight picture for a compact CZ or for any CZ?  I tend to use #2, and that's what works for me for most of my different handguns, which aren't all CZs.

Those who are into long-distance shooting and Bullseye enthusiasts tend to use #1.  (Bullseye shooters know the exact distance to the target and have their sights set for that distance, so holding on specific spot is the same as holding on the bull.)

I find #3 troublesome if you're trying to do any kind of (precise) shot placement on paper targets that are under 20 yards -- as too much of the target is obscured by the sights.    For up-close-and-personal (self defense shooting) #3 is fine and arguably best.

Glocks recommends image 2 below (or did at one time) in their manual, while FN recommends sight the "Combat Hold".    Most folks call image #3 the "combat hold" but there are others that call #2 the "Combat Hold."  If you're using 2 and should be using 3, you'll shoot low.  If you're using #1 and should be using #2 or #3, you'll be shooting way low or be off the target!   

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

^^^^Yes it certainly could be nothing more than getting used to the gun and it's poi but the distance he states the gun impacting off poa does seem quite alot for such a short distance.

[Ron M.]

I was using the same sight picture for 3 other 9mm pistols I was shooting that day (#3). All of my shots with a CZ75B, Dan Wesson Vigil 9mm, and Sig P239 were center (POA) hits at ranges from 3 to 15 yards.  My shots were also centered at those ranges with a S&W 696 44 Special and a 2 1/2 inch S&W model 19.

The pistol was new in the box and only cleaned and lubed before I started shooting.

For what it's worth the factory target shows 3 impacts one an inch from top of the circle and 2 at the bottom, just above the line, and more or less on center left to right.

I'm going to try shooting from a rest tomorrow or late next week. It could be I'm holding the pistol incorrectly, but if that's the case I'll be getting rid of it. My 4 other CZ pistols don't require a different grip style. My CZ75B and CZ75B Omega have the same factory soft rubber grips as the P01 Omega. I'm tempted to change to a thin set of G10 grips just to see if that changes the way the pistol sets in my hands.

[M1A4ME]

For what it's worth, I have no issues with my CZ75 Compact, my P01 Omega, my CZ85 or my P series pistols shooting to different points of aim due to the way the grip/frame angle/the way I hold it causing changes in the POI vs. POA.

If you were brand new to CZ's, maybe it might make a difference, but there's not much difference, other than length of the grip frame, between your Omega P01 and your full sized CZ75's.

When you go to the range, is there anyone else you can have shoot a group or two?  See how/where if shoots for them.

[Vinny]

I was using the same sight picture for 3 other 9mm pistols I was shooting that day (#3). All of my shots with a CZ75B, Dan Wesson Vigil 9mm, and Sig P239 were center (POA) hits at ranges from 3 to 15 yards.  My shots were also centered at those ranges with a S&W 696 44 Special and a 2 1/2 inch S&W model 19.

The pistol was new in the box and only cleaned and lubed before I started shooting.

For what it's worth the factory target shows 3 impacts one an inch from top of the circle and 2 at the bottom, just above the line, and more or less on center left to right.

I'm going to try shooting from a rest tomorrow or late next week. It could be I'm holding the pistol incorrectly, but if that's the case I'll be getting rid of it. My 4 other CZ pistols don't require a different grip style. My CZ75B and CZ75B Omega have the same factory soft rubber grips as the P01 Omega. I'm tempted to change to a thin set of G10 grips just to see if that changes the way the pistol sets in my hands.

Ron,
My apology for assuming you have a P-01 Omega with threaded barrel which should have suppressor height sights. I guess I wrongly assumed someone had mixed up a suppressor height front with a standard #6 rear sight which could explain why it's shooting so incredibly low at 5 yards. I forgot CZ also makes a standard P-01 Omega model with shorter front and rear sights.

Sir Parrabellum is correct that #6 (CGW website says #6 should measure .335 from bottom dovetail to top of sight) is the tallest standard height P-01 rear sight. Your front should be significantly shorter than this.

I should have reserved my comments until you clarified WHICH P-01 Omega you have (#91229 or UG 91299 SR) and provided actual measurements of your front and rear sights.

Sorry.  -Vinny

[Ron M.]

After measuring my front sight vs a take off from my full size Omega and CZ75B, the sight on the P01 is taller by .012 inches. installed the lower front sight from my Omega, now I only shoot an inch low at 10 yards.  This is acceptable as far as I'm concerned. 

[Vinny]

After measuring my front sight vs a take off from my full size Omega and CZ75B, the sight on the P01 is taller by .012 inches. installed the lower front sight from my Omega, now I only shoot an inch low at 10 yards.  This is acceptable as far as I'm concerned.

That's good news.
Glad you found a solution.  -Vinny