At what point is civil disobedience exercised ?

[Old-Duckman]

At what point is civil disobedience exercised ?

Gun control is surely an example of "death of a thousand slices". Slow, steady and patient are the gun grabbers. They first grab the minds and hearts of children once a couple generations of that is accomplished there will no longer be a fight to preserve our 2nd amendment rights (or any others for that matter).

So at what point do we, who love and have experienced freedom, stand up and say "I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore." ? And at that point what can we actually do about it ?

I understand that the time to fight is before our rights are taken away but I honestly believe that will eventually happen due to the intentional dumbing down of America's youth. Look at the younger generation right now, so many are ready and willing to make America a socialist country.

Sad and frightening. As I've said so many times before, "I'm glad I'm old."

[MadDuner]

At what point is civil disobedience exercised ?

Gun control is surely an example of "death of a thousand slices". Slow, steady and patient are the gun grabbers. They first grab the minds and hearts of children once a couple generations of that is accomplished there will no longer be a fight to preserve our 2nd amendment rights (or any others for that matter).

So at what point do we, who love and have experienced freedom, stand up and say "I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore." ? And at that point what can we actually do about it ?

I understand that the time to fight is before our rights are taken away but I honestly believe that will eventually happen due to the intentional dumbing down of America's youth. Look at the younger generation right now, so many are ready and willing to make America a socialist country.

Sad and frightening. As I've said so many times before, "I'm glad I'm old."

Our very nature is to be law-abiding citizens, which of course is what has allowed us the freedom to exercise our 2nd amendment rights all this time. Doing anything that would jeopardize that legal standing will be a last resort.  Until then, we must write letters, attend rallys and make our voices heard.  We can't go starting trouble or tipping over police cars or anything even remotely like that, be we must do everything in our power to make our numbers known.  AND we must VOTE at the ballot box AND with our wallets.  Companies who side with the gun grabbers need to economically feel the loss of our business.  Companies who support liberty and freedom must be rewarded by our continued support of them. 

I don't know for fact whether we can win this war of Liberty and freedoms and RIGHTS, but doing nothing at all is a sure fire recipe for failure.

[Tyerone]

When called to be a Juror, consider your interpretation of whether the "crime" is just an infringement and vote NOT GUILTY.  Still you must be prepared as a Juror to spend some time in Jail for "CONTEMPT".  Despite the Judge's direction, Jury Nullification has precedence in many cases where EVEN the SCOTUS has been wrong in their rulings, for instance treating humans as property that must be returned to their Democrat owners down south!  If it happens enough, the pendulum will swing back towards freedom.

[armoredman]

Jury nullification is a real and good thing. Judges and lawyers will go NUTS if you mention "fully informed jury" around them. Also, judges instructions have no force in law - the jury is the law in this case. The judge is there as the ringmaster. However, I am not a lawyer and my post should not be taken as legal advice, consult an attorney in your area, yatta, yatta, yatta.
One subject we will NOT broach are any calls to any kind of armed insurrection, that will not be tolerated, and can be illegal. We certainly want to defeat the anti rights crowd the right was - at ballot box.

[Old-Duckman]

Jury nullification is a real and good thing. Judges and lawyers will go NUTS if you mention "fully informed jury" around them. Also, judges instructions have no force in law - the jury is the law in this case. The judge is there as the ringmaster. However, I am not a lawyer and my post should not be taken as legal advice, consult an attorney in your area, yatta, yatta, yatta.
One subject we will NOT broach are any calls to any kind of armed insurrection, that will not be tolerated, and can be illegal. We certainly want to defeat the anti rights crowd the right was - at ballot box.

Nor would I advocate an armed insurrection. The type of civil disobedience I was thinking about was more along the lines of what happened in Connecticut several years ago when they passed a law that all "assault style" weapons needed to be registered. I remember seeing lines of sheeple waiting to comply with that unconstitutional (IMO) law. I remember reading that there were many who were refusing to do so. This made me think, would I be one of the sheeple or one who chose to not comply. I can't answer that until it would come to that in my state and of course I hope it never does but what with the Hogg-like, brained washed youth, I would imagine that some day that might be the least that would happen.

Anyone with half a brain can see that registration is the first step to confiscation. If you don't believe that you are either very naive or you trust our government. Personally I don't fall into either of those categories.

Were an armed insurrection to occur it would quickly be squashed by our military which has vastly superior fire power and technological toys that would defeat such an attempt. A military coup would be the only way that an uprising of the people against the government could be effective.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the 181 that viewed this post were afraid to post a reply.

Of course that takes me directly to the Thomas Jefferson quote: "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."

[Tyerone]

Well stated, Publius!

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

I'd like to think that we would stand against any registration or confiscation of ANY weapons but knowing what I know of the American animal today I know that will never happen.
As the generations "progress" they will be indoctrinated away from the 2A and it will just fade out. Even many of the current older crowd just doesn't get it thinking they are just plain "good citizens" and there rights will always prevail even when the "lesser people" are brought under control. A former member (now banned) of this forum posted several months ago that "reasonable legislation" was the future which is to say the elitists will retain their rights and the serfs will obey.

[whitecap]

Well the county run range that I used to frequent here is south FL tried just that several years ago. Everyone that entered the property had to "sign in". This required you to fill out a form with your full name, address, drivers license number and was kept in a file and then sent to the state capital. This was all done under the guise of "for your safety". I witnessed even the minor children of shooters subjected to this. Several of us fought it hard and eventually, with the help of a newspaper reporter, got it over turned and the practice was stopped. If you did not comply either FWC or the Sheriff was called and you were threatened with arrest. During one of the picketing episodes there were 3 Sheriff's squads and 2 FWC trucks monitoring those protesting. It was done trying to intimidate those involved in the protest. I petitioned to have my form returned and only after threatening to sue for breach of records security( claimed that they couldn't find my form) was it returned to me and promptly burned. What was most disconcerting was the attitude of the other shooters that I would talk to after I realized what a mistake I had made by complying. I was branded a trouble maker by the all newly selected RSO's. The crew that had been there for years refused to go along with the registration of shooters, and were fired. Even after completing the form you were required to have your hand stamped every time you entered the range. The general public was told that this would prevent anyone that could not legally possess a firearm to be on the range thereby insuring their safety. Sometimes we are truly stupid as sheep as I found myself to be. Saying NO and resisting what government says is hard when you have been brought up to obey and respect those in a position of authority and leadership. I remember feeling guilty about my civil disobedience but am now convinced that it was not only the right thing to do but the necessary thing to do.

[Old-Duckman]

Well the county run range that I used to frequent here is south FL tried just that several years ago. Everyone that entered the property had to "sign in". This required you to fill out a form with your full name, address, drivers license number and was kept in a file and then sent to the state capital. This was all done under the guise of "for your safety". I witnessed even the minor children of shooters subjected to this. Several of us fought it hard and eventually, with the help of a newspaper reporter, got it over turned and the practice was stopped. If you did not comply either FWC or the Sheriff was called and you were threatened with arrest. During one of the picketing episodes there were 3 Sheriff's squads and 2 FWC trucks monitoring those protesting. It was done trying to intimidate those involved in the protest. I petitioned to have my form returned and only after threatening to sue for breach of records security( claimed that they couldn't find my form) was it returned to me and promptly burned. What was most disconcerting was the attitude of the other shooters that I would talk to after I realized what a mistake I had made by complying. I was branded a trouble maker by the all newly selected RSO's. The crew that had been there for years refused to go along with the registration of shooters, and were fired. Even after completing the form you were required to have your hand stamped every time you entered the range. The general public was told that this would prevent anyone that could not legally possess a firearm to be on the range thereby insuring their safety. Sometimes we are truly stupid as sheep as I found myself to be. Saying NO and resisting what government says is hard when you have been brought up to obey and respect those in a position of authority and leadership. I remember feeling guilty about my civil disobedience but am now convinced that it was not only the right thing to do but the necessary thing to do.

Great story, glad you all stood up for what was right. So sad that the majority were just willing to comply without a fight. Gun owners, like those sheep, is why I believe that sooner or later the gun grabbers will prevail. Anyone with even limited vision can see that we are heading toward a one world government and America?s 2nd amendment sure doesn?t fit into that plan. Once a right or freedom is lost it is rarely, if ever, regained. When our rights are lost we will have no one to blame but ourselves. I wish the majority of gun owners, and the majority are complacent, would wake up before it?s too late but I really don?t hold out much hope for that...I?m glad I?m old!

[Garados]

I believe the declaration of Independence makes it clear when resistance is warranted.

[armoredman]

I believe what we have is our sacred and solemn duty to exercise our sovereign right of franchise and VOTE in just 3 short days. Make your voice heard, and do NOT sit back saying, "Well, I only have one vote, it won't count." My son will be voting in his very first general election and he is excited as all get out.

[Practical Shooter]

There is another approach to the issue.
Most gun owners are Republicans, and a few are Democrats, right?
We all know what the Democrat and Republican rhetoric is about guns, no mistake about that one.
But we are ineffective when legally threatening Democrat candidates, their supporters and their companies. Why would they listen to us, we stand on the other side.
Ok. Let say all the Republican Gun Owners decide to play the system. They go register as Democrats. I didn't say to vote for the Democrat candidate when the time comes, but just "Register" as a Democrat.
From the inside, we would have a lot more say to what the Democrat's goals are on guns. We can write to Democrat Congressmen/Congresswomen and Senators, and as part as active members of the Democrat party, they would listen to us, as they absolutely don't care if our letters are coming from Republican supporters.
I believe we can change the politic from the inside of the Democrat party.
Is it too wild to work?

[aussie57]

Registering as a Democrat would make me feel "dirty".

[dragon813gt]

So republicans register as democrats and then the democrats register as republicans.  Nothing changes except everyone switched sides.

There are states, like PA, where you can only vote for your party in the primaries.  So I could only vote for one of the democrat candidates and have no say over the republican candidate.  I could choose the worse possible option on the Democrat side.  But that does no one any good

[Practical Shooter]

Most of us don't vote in the primaries anyway.
But we would have a lot more chances to make some real differences within the Democratic party than from the Republican party.