Hiya, old thread yes but Im bored.Those 612's with or without pistol grips priced at 300ish new were a great value.My only experience was with a semi auto 712 dressed in tactical garb. Didn't have any good luck with how it fed or ejected any brand or type of ammo it was fed. After I got it back from cz-usa they were nice enough to fix it for free. Unfortunately they fixed a problem I wasn't having. I certainly could not sell it to anyone knowing its history,and fortunately it was stolen, so karma I guess. An armed robber with my ol malfunctioning 712, bout as good as I suppose the story ends.