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Offline daved20319

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Dry firing CZ's?
« on: September 28, 2018, 12:28:56 PM »
I've seen lots of posts saying not to dry fire CZ's, with most folks recommending that if you do, to put an oring between the hammer and frame.  What about using snap caps?  I use snap caps with all my guns, I'm old school enough that I'm just not comfortable dropping the hammer on an empty chamber.  Is this acceptable, or should I still use an oring?  Thanks.

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Re: Dry firing CZ's?
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2018, 12:43:51 PM »
Snap caps are fine. Your're just saving the shock of hammer/firing pin using either method.  Only advantage I see of the O ring is not having to put the snap cap back in if you rack the slide.
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Re: Dry firing CZ's?
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2018, 03:41:27 PM »
Snap caps are the way to go, there are just cheaper options

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Offline Winkel

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Re: Dry firing CZ's?
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2018, 08:59:14 PM »
If you use an O-ring, just don't forget to take it out when you're done.  You don't want to NEED the gun go bang and it only goes CLICK....ask me how I know.
 
Actually, I was just out to do some target shooting one day, racked one in, lined up the shot and CLICK. 

This would have been bad had it been a self defense situation and it showed I had a terrible flinch.  It's an ill wind that blows no good.

Offline timetofly

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Re: Dry firing CZ's?
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2018, 09:20:16 PM »
I was using a snap cap that didn't have the best cushion for the firing pin.   After several hundred dry fires the firing pin beat the stuffing out of the cushion in the snap cap.  This allowed the firing pin to chew a hole in the firing pin retaining pin.   

What told me that I had a problem was that the firing pin was stuck in a full forward position which wouldn't allow the cartridge to slide up into ?he ejectors and go into battery.  Three dollars for the retaining pin and some punches and I was back in business. 

My advise is to buy and use top quality snap caps to prevent having to replace the firing pin retaining pin.
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Offline briang2ad

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Re: Dry firing CZ's?
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2018, 06:06:44 PM »
O rings are much cheaper and last much longer.

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Re: Dry firing CZ's?
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2018, 07:31:53 PM »
O rings kept falling out so I tied a wide rubber band thru the hammer.  I use a snap cap at the same time.  I have a Cajun retaining pin on hand but I'm not sure my original pin needs replacing yet. 
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Offline CCWLearner

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Re: Dry firing CZ's?
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2018, 07:56:33 PM »
I originally dry fired both of my P-07's with snap caps, but one of them still somehow ended up with a hole in the first layer of the stock retaining pin.

Then I swapped out the stock retaining pins for CGW pins, and got some o-rings.  I dry fired with those quite a bit.

Then I got a MantisX and figured out that the o-rings often prevented it from registering shots while dry firing, so I went back to snap caps, and dry fired with it quite a bit with them.  Then I got a Barrelblok which is a hard plastic barrel insert that also works as a sort of snap cap, and dry fired the heck out of one of my pistols with that and the MantisX, over the course of a couple of months, plus several trips to the range...

When I inspected the CGW retaining pin after that, it had every bit of finish missing from the outside, but it wasn't deformed, and didn't have a hole in it.

I swapped out the CGW retaining pin and trigger return spring on that pistol with new ones, took it to the range once for a good test, and have it now as my carry gun.  My previous carry gun, I am installing a CGW hammer and roller bearing in it, polishing some parts, then going to put the heavily used retaining pin and trigger return spring into it... it will be my dry fire and range gun, and I plan to fire the heck out of it until maybe one of those parts eventually breaks, then I'll replace them with the lightly used spares I have handy.  There's a discolored spot in the trigger return spring that looks like a stress point and I expect that to be the first thing to go.

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Re: Dry firing CZ's?
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2018, 09:33:19 PM »
For hammer CZs, you gotta use an O-ring or you will quickly crush your firing pin block pin preventing the firing pin from returning

Also I learned mashing the double action constantly will quickly destroy your trigger return spring as well

Offline flattusmaximus78

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Re: Dry firing CZ's?
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2018, 09:17:47 PM »
I've done maybe 100 dry fires, but 4000 live rounds through my P09 and the retaining pin was super bent. I don't think it is just the dry fire.

Offline Winkel

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Re: Dry firing CZ's?
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2018, 11:45:59 PM »
O rings kept falling out so I tied a wide rubber band thru the hammer.  I use a snap cap at the same time.  I have a Cajun retaining pin on hand but I'm not sure my original pin needs replacing yet.
That's a heck of an idea right there!  I like that you can easily see the rubber band.  No forgetting to remove that!

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Re: Dry firing CZ's?
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2018, 08:13:48 AM »
I always thought that dry firing was safe.  :(

Offline Jeep_Nut

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Re: Dry firing CZ's?
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2018, 09:09:03 AM »
Isn't there a certain size o-ring that fits well without falling out?

Offline PnoyGeek

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Re: Dry firing CZ's?
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2018, 11:40:05 AM »
Isn't there a certain size o-ring that fits well without falling out?

The slot on the slide for the hammer is wider on firearms with the omega trigger system compared to the original trigger system so that is why you might need a larger o-ring.

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Re: Dry firing CZ's?
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2018, 10:46:41 PM »
Ok, so what size o-ring is needed? someone has to be able to answer....