The Original CZ Forum
GENERAL => General Discussion => Topic started by: ShinZm on January 19, 2019, 02:07:23 PM
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So to preface, I've yet to touch any CZ pistol in my entire life, but for 9mm the choice is pretty clear for me.
I currently carry an FNX .45 (non-tactical), and it is comfortable and fairly easily concealable for me due to my size of 6'5 with a large frame. I carry decocked, safety off, so decockers are a deal breaker for me in a carry gun. For any kind of precision shooting, I always go for a 1911 (learned on one as my first pistol), so that may be a factor in choosing between these models.
Recently, as I was really looking into ballistics I started thinking about large frame 9mm's with crazy high caps as an EDC replacement, and that naturally led me to CZ. I've yet to hold one, but I will be trying these as rentals soon. (I did mess around with an EAA Witness 10mm, which appears to copy quite a bit from the CZ 75B design? Definitely remember liking the feel on that.)
SP-01 and P-09.
The SP-01 seems to have a weight that is far closer to my FNX (Steel frame sounds great also!), which I'm well adjusted to, but that 21 rounder for the P-09 along with stock night sights at that price is a massive call for attention as well, so I've been very conflicted for the past few days... :-\
Does anyone own both, or have used both enough to give me some insight into the quirks of the models? I predict that I will definitely enjoy the SP-01's steel frame more, but that 21+1 capacity option for the P-09 is a big deal in and of itself. (I realize it's just 3 more rounds, but this has seriously been wracking my brain for days. OCD is awesome! I actually woke up thinking about it and decided to finally just join the forum and ask...)
Absolutely any input, no matter how minute, would be helpful and appreciated. I will definitely report back when I get a hands-on at the range in about 2 weeks. Even better if someone has ever touched the FNX and could provide some comparisons/contrasts.
(P-07 is also an option, but I don't really see a reason to go compact when I'm already sitting cozy with an FNX carried iwb. lol)
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Sp01 all day. It is HIGHLY unlikely you?ll ever need 21+1 in the unfortunate event of a gun fight. If you find yourself in such a predicament, you better hope you?re close to a rifle and can use that pistol to fight your way to it because you?re in a seriously bleeped up situation
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?I carry decocked, safety off, so decockers are a deal breaker for me in a carry gun?
Help me understand this statement? Are you saying that you are planning on carrying the SP01 or P09 in condition 1?
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?I carry decocked, safety off, so decockers are a deal breaker for me in a carry gun?
Help me understand this statement? Are you saying that you are planning on carrying the SP01 or P09 in condition 1?
Condition 2. Round chambered, hammer decocked and resting in safe position.
That's how I choose to carry my FNX, but it looks like that's actually the ONLY option for carrying chambered for the P09/SP01 unless you swap the decocker for the thumb-safety if I'm not mistaken.
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Sp01 all day. It is HIGHLY unlikely you?ll ever need 21+1 in the unfortunate event of a gun fight. If you find yourself in such a predicament, you better hope you?re close to a rifle and can use that pistol to fight your way to it because you?re in a seriously bleeped up situation
This actually makes me laugh at myself, because I completely agree with you - but also have this weird mindset of "If I can carry more, why not?", which is exactly what got me to save up for the FNX years ago. lol
Anything about the SP-01 that just feels better for you? I'm definitely already onboard with the steel frame.
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Wouldn?t the point of carrying a DA/SA pistol be to utilize the DA portion of the trigger press in lieu of manual manipulation of a safety?
And welcome BTW!
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P09 has changeable backstraps to fit your had size
P09 will give you the option to try a decocker set up if you would want to check that out down the road
SP01 will have cheaper mags
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Sp01 all day. It is HIGHLY unlikely you?ll ever need 21+1 in the unfortunate event of a gun fight. If you find yourself in such a predicament, you better hope you?re close to a rifle and can use that pistol to fight your way to it because you?re in a seriously bleeped up situation
Anything about the SP-01 that just feels better for you? I'm definitely already onboard with the steel frame.
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Nothing in particular. I own one and have shot my buddies P09. Both are fantastic pistols, I?m just partial to my sp01. You can?t go wrong really
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It's a bit crazy, but you can try ProMag 32rnds magazine on SP-01
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0V0JxcA_98
;D Yes, I know 32rnds is not a carry option, and ProMag magazines are not the most reliable.
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Wouldn?t the point of carrying a DA/SA pistol be to utilize the DA portion of the trigger press in lieu of manual manipulation of a safety?
And welcome BTW!
Thanks for the welcome! That's exactly the way I carry and will continue to carry. I may have worded it weird or something. Still riding the coffee train back to reality, I suppose... lol
So just to make it clear, If you're familiar with the FNX (Or the 92FS/M9), what I do is chamber the first round, push the safety DOWN to decock the hammer, and leave the safe off. To me, that feels like the safest/most efficient way to carry, as I don't have to worry about messing with an external safety in a crisis - but also have a heavy first pull that turns my first shot into a real commitment.
P09 has changeable backstraps to fit your had size
P09 will give you the option to try a decocker set up if you would want to check that out down the road
SP01 will have cheaper mags
I actually JUST noticed that the steel-framed SP-01 doesn't appear to have any option for a decocker like the P-09 does, unless there's a 3rd party option somewhere? I intended to run with that setup by default.
I also hadn't thought about the backstraps, which will probably be a fairly big deal for me with my monster hands. Thanks for bringing that up!
So it sounds like the SP-01 has no option for a decocker outside of the polymer versions, and that's actually really pushing me over to the P-09. I do see that the SP-01 could just be manually decocked, but I've never felt comfortable with that. Just a personal hangup. I assume it does have a safe position somewhere along the hammer travel, though?
I think I'm probably going to end up going for the P-09, and consider the SP-01 later on (unless it feels so good to shoot that one could feasibly say it was crafted by God Himself. XD).
Looks like I'll save a good $100 or so locally with that route, so that's a plus.
I'm definitely still interested in hearing more thoughts, since this is going to be my first step into CZ's and I'm honestly loving everything I've seen thus far. :)
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Sp01 Tactical has a decocker and is steel frame
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It's a bit crazy, but you can try ProMag 32rnds magazine on SP-01
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0V0JxcA_98
;D Yes, I know 32rnds is not a carry option, and ProMag magazines are not the most reliable.
Oh my God, it's beautiful. XD
;D Yes, I know 32rnds is not a carry option, and ProMag magazines are not the most reliable.
...Hold my beer. lmao
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The SP-01 Tactical has a de-cocker. I wear 2XL gloves and much prefer the SP-01 frame over the P-09. To get a decent grip on the 09 I ended up with a Hogue wrap on it. I just couldn't get comfortable with the 09 so I sold it. For reference, I added palm swell grips to my 97 because the OEM grips weren't thick enough. You really need to hold both if at all possible. And promags are complete crap.
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SP 01 Phantom has the port side decock lever, has a polymer frame with changeable backstraps, and uses standard 75 series mags. What you described in your previous post, you do want a decocker model in a CZ.
...and what Earl said about Pro Mags.
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Go with the sp01, if you want more capacity just upgrade for mags with different base pads and followers depending on how much more you want. At 140mm length the p09 and the 75 series mags both hold 23rd and at 170mm your looking at 27 to 28rds.
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Sp01 all day. It is HIGHLY unlikely you?ll ever need 21+1 in the unfortunate event of a gun fight. If you find yourself in such a predicament, you better hope you?re close to a rifle and can use that pistol to fight your way to it because you?re in a seriously bleeped up situation
Anything about the SP-01 that just feels better for you? I'm definitely already onboard with the steel frame.
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Nothing in particular. I own one and have shot my buddies P09. Both are fantastic pistols, I?m just partial to my sp01. You can?t go wrong really
I keep hearing that phrase with CZ's, and I've NEVER heard it for any other pistol. Called ahead and verified that my range has both models for rent, and I am VERY hyped about giving them both a run.
Even though I'm pretty set on the P-09 for the decocker setup, I'm still staring at the SP-01 for match shooting/OWB carry later on.
The SP-01 Tactical has a de-cocker. I wear 2XL gloves and much prefer the SP-01 frame over the P-09. To get a decent grip on the 09 I ended up with a Hogue wrap on it. I just couldn't get comfortable with the 09 so I sold it. For reference, I added palm swell grips to my 97 because the OEM grips weren't thick enough. You really need to hold both if at all possible. And promags are complete crap.
Whoa okay I did NOT know about the Tactical until just now. That's a game-changer. Not sure that my range has an SP01 Tactical, but would the standard model be a viable substitute to get a feel for it? If so, this may be a really tough choice depending on how the P-09 fits me.
Wow thanks for letting me know about this. Saw your post as I was typing out the above reply lol.
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Sp01 Tactical has a decocker and is steel frame
Can't believe I missed this reply. I'm definitely gonna be looking into that now!
It honestly feels like all of the CZ's I'm looking at are too nice to choose from... This is a strange problem I'm having.
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Yes, both SP-01's have the same frame ergos. The de-cocker model comes with tritium sights as well. Sometimes the safety model has them but not always.
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Yes, both SP-01's have the same frame ergos. The de-cocker model comes with tritium sights as well. Sometimes the safety model has them but not always.
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I noticed those Tritiums and that is definitely not a bad deal. Good to know that the frames are basically the same, so I can absolutely give it the full trial in a couple of weeks right along with the P-09. Something tells me that I'm going to end up with both at some point...
I'm as new as one could be to the CZ world, but I'm already almost overwhelmed with quality choices. I think I made the right call! ;D
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Go with the sp01, if you want more capacity just upgrade for mags with different base pads and followers depending on how much more you want. At 140mm length the p09 and the 75 series mags both hold 23rd and at 170mm your looking at 27 to 28rds.
Could you elaborate on this a bit? Because an SP-01 Tactical with a reliable 20+ capacity magazine would literally tick every box for me.
Are you saying you can achieve this by swapping base pads and spring/followers on the stock SP-01 mags; or is this a third party configuration?
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Yes by swapping the base pads and followers on the stock mags or you could buy them straight from cz custom ready to go I believe, to get you 23rd plus 1 in the chamber.
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I have both, P09 & SP01T. To me it?s a toss up. Both have great ergos and accuracy. The P09 had less pronounced recoil than the SP01T, at least for me.
I used the P09 during an IDPA season a few years ago and have more time with it, so my performance is better with it than my SP01T. I had ZERO failures with either gun, which I can?t say for all my guns.
Recommend you get your mitts on both & get a test drive on them. Guns ergos are different for each of us as we all have different hand shapes, carry needs. Think either can serve you just fine.
If you are local (Puget Sound area, WA) I?ll let you try mine.
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My P09 9MM is the most accurate center fire semi auto pistol I've ever shot.
Recoil is very light with a P09 9MM.
You can install the safeties and carry it cocked and locked - like a 1911. The pistol has two safeties, the thumb safety and the firing pin block safety which requires the trigger be pulled/squeezed to allow the hammer to move the firing in enough to set the chambered round off.
If you want the safety, but still want to carry it with the hammer down you can do that. You can't put it on safe with the hammer down, you just have the longer/heavier DA trigger pull to contend with.
Do you guys really get trouble free Promags? My cousin buys them way too often. Then I get that phone call, "Hey cousin, when are you coming home again?" I let him know what weekend we're planning on going home and he shows up with another new/different pistol with one or more Promags that won't feed properly and we play that same old game of trying to squeeze, bend, file, adjust the follower/spring to get it to feed properly. And I give him the same disclaimer, "Hey, just because it works right now doesn't mean it's going to keep working. Why do you keep buying these things???" He says, "Well cousin, that's all they had."
The longer the magazine, magazine well, the harder it makes it to hide. That's why I don't carry my P09. I carry a P07 but the back up magazines are the P09's with the +2 bases on them. Since my P07 is a .40 that makes me 13 in the pistol and 17 in the spare magazines.
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"The P09 had less pronounced recoil than the SP01T, at least for me."
It's funny, for me it's the opposite. I've never found the P-09 to be especially soft shooting like other people do. I think it's because the grip is too thin for me. 97B with OEM grips was the same, everybody raves about how soft it shoots. Not for me until I put thicker grips on it.
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Yes by swapping the base pads and followers on the stock mags or you could buy them straight from cz custom ready to go I believe, to get you 23rd plus 1 in the chamber.
Oh wow, thanks for informing me of that site. I see a 26-rounder premade, but it looks like I'll have to do a bit of benchwork to get something like 21 or 23 if I ever wanted it. Looks like the 75B mags are all compatible with the SP-01? That's a huge plus if true, especially if the Mec-Gars are as good as I've heard, because those aren't expensive at all.
I have both, P09 & SP01T. To me it?s a toss up. Both have great ergos and accuracy. The P09 had less pronounced recoil than the SP01T, at least for me.
I used the P09 during an IDPA season a few years ago and have more time with it, so my performance is better with it than my SP01T. I had ZERO failures with either gun, which I can?t say for all my guns.
Recommend you get your mitts on both & get a test drive on them. Guns ergos are different for each of us as we all have different hand shapes, carry needs. Think either can serve you just fine.
If you are local (Puget Sound area, WA) I?ll let you try mine.
Ah, I'm in Texas, but I appreciate the offer! :)
With all of the info I've gotten here, I've completely turned around and am now fairly sure I'll go with the SP-01T (if it feels equal to or better than the P-09 for me), but I'm probably going to eventually end up with both, like yourself. lol
The grip angles on both look pretty close to my FNX, which I love, because that one holds a bit like a 1911. Hopefully they have that kind of feel.
There's a really interesting thing about that recoil difference you brought up. Polymer is fairly malleable, so if the slide is front-heavy enough as to reduce muzzle flip, the recoil is gonna feel softer compared to steel when it pushes back into your hand. I notice this waaaaaaay more with any .45, probably because it tends to hammer straight back without much snap in any gun. I remember looking this up after noticing the same exact thing with a 1911 after getting used to my FN. It's really weird lol
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Yes the standard 75 cz mags and mec gars will fit perfect. It only take about 30 secs to convert a 16rd or 18rd mag to a 23rd mag.
Here are a couple of 140mm solutions from CZC.
CZ 16 rnd magazine #11101 with long base pad #10213
CZ 18 rnd ( SP01) magazine #11152 with short pad #10187
CZ P09 19rnd magazine #11620 with extended pad #1001097
with spring and follower kit #10522
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mags will????? hold 23 round?s???
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Yes the standard 75 cz mags and mec gars will fit perfect. It only take about 30 secs to convert a 16rd or 18rd mag to a 23rd mag.
Here are a couple of 140mm solutions from CZC.
CZ 16 rnd magazine #11101 with long base pad #10213
CZ 18 rnd ( SP01) magazine #11152 with short pad #10187
CZ P09 19rnd magazine #11620 with extended pad #1001097
with spring and follower kit #10522
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mags will????? hold 23 round?s???
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Man, you went above and beyond! Thanks! I was literally about to look up a guide on what parts to use, too. XD
23+1 is crazy for that what little extension those have beyond the mag well! Test fire happens in a couple of weeks, but I'm so hyped to buy one; I can't save up fast enough!
Coming from FN, I had absolutely no idea that any SA/DA pistols existed that could rival Glock with the amount of mods. lol
Hope the FNX gets somewhere close to that point some day.
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Phantom easy to carry and still a lazer accurate never fail cz
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"The P09 had less pronounced recoil than the SP01T, at least for me."
It's funny, for me it's the opposite. I've never found the P-09 to be especially soft shooting like other people do. I think it's because the grip is too thin for me. 97B with OEM grips was the same, everybody raves about how soft it shoots. Not for me until I put thicker grips on it.
My take is it?s all about how the gun fits your particular hands. I had a buddy video me shooting the P09 on a stage and was amazed at how the muzzle stayed on target when the slide cycled.
That said, neither gun recoils much, just the P09 perceived recoil is less- for me in my hands.
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With all of the info I've gotten here, I've completely turned around and am now fairly sure I'll go with the SP-01T (if it feels equal to or better than the P-09 for me), but I'm probably going to eventually end up with both, like yourself. lol
The grip angles on both look pretty close to my FNX, which I love, because that one holds a bit like a 1911. Hopefully they have that kind of feel.
There's a really interesting thing about that recoil difference you brought up. Polymer is fairly malleable, so if the slide is front-heavy enough as to reduce muzzle flip, the recoil is gonna feel softer compared to steel when it pushes back into your hand. I notice this waaaaaaay more with any .45, probably because it tends to hammer straight back without much snap in any gun. I remember looking this up after noticing the same exact thing with a 1911 after getting used to my FN. It's really weird lol
As I said before, it?s a toss up. Both are fine guns and can serve you well. While I have more trigger time w/ my P09, I am glad I have the SP01T. I?ll be shooting it in a future IDPA season for sure.
One thing the SP01T enables is increasing or decreasing palm swell by swapping grips- P09s don?t. P09 only has the changeable back strap- which is helpful, but doesn?t help with palm swell.
Let us know what you get and your range session results. Good luck!
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You have narrowed it down to two fantastic choices, no lose situation here. I might recommend trying out a P01 also, comes in decocker, and has everything you?ll love about the SP01, and an even lighter, and more compact package. Crazy good reliability and ergos, and with the aluminum frame, there?s nothing to it.
I own both (all 3) of these models, and while very different feeling both in the hand and at the range, both the SP01 and the P09 are winners. P09 will be significantly more affordable purchase wise, and SP01 will be more affordable (and more options) as far as magazines go. Also SP01 (and P01) will offer many more choices on grips when it comes to the aftermarket. Something else to consider.
Best of luck!! I?m also extremely tall, but would still opt for the smaller P01 for carry.
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Or you could go the route I?ve gone. Hell, just buy one (or more) of them all. O0 Welcome to the dark side.
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It sounds like the SP01 Tactical is right up your alley if you like carrying condition two. I've put a fair few rounds through my friend's and it's great. I have pretty large hands (though probably not as large as yours) and it was very comfortable to hold and shoot well, with a smooth but long DA pull and a nice SA pull. Can't speak to the P09 or the SP01 Phantom, although I have a friend who EDCs a P09 and she quite likes it.
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CZ P07 all day, every day.....IMG_0088.JPG IMG_0089.JPG
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While I understand the thinking of "if you can do more, why not do it?" but the extra weight of a lot of extra rounds is noticeable as the day wears on.
With any decocker-equipped model, the CZs decock to the half-cock (safety notch) on the hammer. That shortens the trigger pull a bit, and while the hammer spring is still partially tensioned, the trigger pull itself is a bit lighter. Any of the CZs give you a second-strike capability.
I've always considered the first shot much more important than a lot of extra rounds, but that's my thinking. Given that, I like the first and subsequent shots to have the same trigger pull, so I, when I carry (which isn't all the time) a striker-fired gun or a DA/SA gun that allows cocked & locked carry.
You can carry a second magazine in a pouch on your off-hand side, and that will balance things out a bit, too. If you don't have the time to quickly reload after 15+ shots fired, you're probably already in much deeper do-do than you'll be able to cope with. (The Ellifritz study of actual civilian shootings shows us that darned few uses of lethal force in self-defense ever go much beyond 3-4 rounds fired.) Here's a link, if you haven't already heard of it or not read it: https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power (https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power)
I would love to buy a P-09, but in the meantime I'm quite happy with a P-07, and still adjusting to my P-10c, and have other options in the gun safe... including a G19-sized Glock 38 that I like a lot.
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I have a fully Cajunized SP-01 tactical, and it is by far the best firearm I have ever shot (especially with the Vortex Venom red dot).
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With all of the info I've gotten here, I've completely turned around and am now fairly sure I'll go with the SP-01T (if it feels equal to or better than the P-09 for me), but I'm probably going to eventually end up with both, like yourself. lol
The grip angles on both look pretty close to my FNX, which I love, because that one holds a bit like a 1911. Hopefully they have that kind of feel.
There's a really interesting thing about that recoil difference you brought up. Polymer is fairly malleable, so if the slide is front-heavy enough as to reduce muzzle flip, the recoil is gonna feel softer compared to steel when it pushes back into your hand. I notice this waaaaaaay more with any .45, probably because it tends to hammer straight back without much snap in any gun. I remember looking this up after noticing the same exact thing with a 1911 after getting used to my FN. It's really weird lol
As I said before, it?s a toss up. Both are fine guns and can serve you well. While I have more trigger time w/ my P09, I am glad I have the SP01T. I?ll be shooting it in a future IDPA season for sure.
One thing the SP01T enables is increasing or decreasing palm swell by swapping grips- P09s don?t. P09 only has the changeable back strap- which is helpful, but doesn?t help with palm swell.
Let us know what you get and your range session results. Good luck!
I'm almost looking at it as a 1911 vs FNX .45 situation, and that was the same story. Both feel great to me and I couldn't go wrong with either! (aside from the decock situation and capacity difference, which was the deal-breaker there for carry).
I'll be hitting the range early next month and will definitely report my experience back here. They definitely have the SP101 and P09 for rent, but I'll also give all of the other suggestions a try if available. ;)
While I understand the thinking of "if you can do more, why not do it?" but the extra weight of a lot of extra rounds is noticeable as the day wears on.
With any decocker-equipped model, the CZs decock to the half-cock (safety notch) on the hammer. That shortens the trigger pull a bit, and while the hammer spring is still partially tensioned, the trigger pull itself is a bit lighter. Any of the CZs give you a second-strike capability.
I've always considered the first shot much more important than a lot of extra rounds, but that's my thinking. Given that, I like the first and subsequent shots to have the same trigger pull, so I, when I carry (which isn't all the time) a striker-fired gun or a DA/SA gun that allows cocked & locked carry.
You can carry a second magazine in a pouch on your off-hand side, and that will balance things out a bit, too. If you don't have the time to quickly reload after 15+ shots fired, you're probably already in much deeper do-do than you'll be able to cope with. (The Ellifritz study of actual civilian shootings shows us that darned few uses of lethal force in self-defense ever go much beyond 3-4 rounds fired.) Here's a link, if you haven't already heard of it or not read it: https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power (https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power)
I would love to buy a P-09, but in the meantime I'm quite happy with a P-07, and still adjusting to my P-10c, and have other options in the gun safe... including a G19-sized Glock 38 that I like a lot.
I probably just got used to it. Carried a 1911 in the beginning, ended up with an FNX and I barely notice it at all these days. I know it's just over 2lbs unloaded, probably closer to 3 with that 15+1 round mag in, 1911 is... 3lbs or so loaded?
Carried a Springfield XD9 Service model for a while, and a Taurus PT-111 compact for a couple of days early on and I didn't really feel any tangible relief with the noticeably reduced weight, but I'm probably just weird. lol
And I completely agree with you on the capacity statement; and have also looked into the Ellifritz studies. (That was actually a huge factor in opening me up to other caliber options. I'd love to see the 10mm stacked up on there to satiate my curiosity, because I love the versatility of that round.)
I guess I just like to check as many boxes as possible when I choose a handgun, and capacity:caliber is definitely high up on the ratio list.
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It sounds like the SP01 Tactical is right up your alley if you like carrying condition two. I've put a fair few rounds through my friend's and it's great. I have pretty large hands (though probably not as large as yours) and it was very comfortable to hold and shoot well, with a smooth but long DA pull and a nice SA pull. Can't speak to the P09 or the SP01 Phantom, although I have a friend who EDCs a P09 and she quite likes it.
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That's exactly what I was thinking! Weight is super close to what I'm already used to as well. ;D
Here's my hand on the FNX .45 if that gives anyone a better idea on the size situation. XD
(https://i.imgur.com/DWg9slc.png)