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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ Polymer Pistols: P10, P-07, P-09 => Topic started by: Blueknight on August 03, 2019, 11:56:55 AM
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I just picked a P07 last week but I notice that here most of the talk is about the P10c or the different variations. I don't know much about that model yet but I would like to hear some details and comparisons between the two.
P10 teething problems, accuracy, reliability, trigger...etc.
Also, is the P10 a fully cocked striker or is it like a Glock?
So what's your preference and why?
Thanks
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I have both the P07 and P10C.
The newer P10C’s don’t have any issues I’m aware of. I have the FDE with Night Sights and ambi mag release that’s somewhat stiff to operate.
The newer P10’s have a reversible mag release.
As far if the striker is fully or partially cocked I have no idea. As long as it functions when the trigger is doesn’t matter to me what percentage the striker is or is not cocked.
Both the 07 and 10C are great to shoot and carry. Both have functioned 100% for me after 900 rounds or more between the two.
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I just picked a P07 last week but I notice that here most of the talk is about the P10c or the different variations. I don't know much about that model yet but I would like to hear some details and comparisons between the two.
P10 teething problems, accuracy, reliability, trigger...etc.
Also, is the P10 a fully cocked striker or is it like a Glock?
So what's your preference and why?
Thanks
Don't doubt nor complicate your choice. P07 and P10C are incomparable handguns from CZ.
The major difference between the two are hammer vs striker.
So pick your poison and enjoy it, that's that simple.
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Why incomparable?
Firing mechanics aside, they're both approximately the same size and probably designed to fill the same role.
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Why incomparable?
Firing mechanics aside, they're both approximately the same size and probably designed to fill the same role.
He's right they are basically incomparable from the mechanical aspect that's enough. A 3-4 inch K frame revolver is also similar in size but that is where it ends. Mastering the DA first shot as with the P-07 is something that many don't like or are unwilling to practice so they opt for the striker fired platform like the P10 with it's consistent/same trigger pull from first shot to last.
A more fair comparison would be the P-07 vs a Sig P2022 or some other similar in size compact hammer fired pistol and then the P10 vs a glock 19 or a Walther PPQ.
My personal preference is the P-07 as I have less than zero use for striker fired guns.
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Why incomparable?
Firing mechanics aside, they're both approximately the same size and probably designed to fill the same role.
He's right they are basically incomparable from the mechanical aspect that's enough. A 3-4 inch K frame revolver is also similar in size but that is where it ends. Mastering the DA first shot as with the P-07 is something that many don't like or are unwilling to practice so they opt for the striker fired platform like the P10 with it's consistent/same trigger pull from first shot to last.
A more fair comparison would be the P-07 vs a Sig P2022 or some other similar in size compact hammer fired pistol and then the P10 vs a glock 19 or a Walther PPQ.
My personal preference is the P-07 as I have less than zero use for striker fired guns.
All true. I don't know why people want to compare head to head, and I don't know why they are on the same site. Makes no sense. Can we 'get separated' please?
Maybe they should name the site, "Guns that take P10 mags", LOL.
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Seems like a bit of angst over the comparison...
RE shared mags....that's good
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Why incomparable?
Firing mechanics aside, they're both approximately the same size and probably designed to fill the same role.
He's right they are basically incomparable from the mechanical aspect that's enough. A 3-4 inch K frame revolver is also similar in size but that is where it ends. Mastering the DA first shot as with the P-07 is something that many don't like or are unwilling to practice so they opt for the striker fired platform like the P10 with it's consistent/same trigger pull from first shot to last.
A more fair comparison would be the P-07 vs a Sig P2022 or some other similar in size compact hammer fired pistol and then the P10 vs a glock 19 or a Walther PPQ.
My personal preference is the P-07 as I have less than zero use for striker fired guns.
I agree with this, with all due respect to the original question. Nothing wrong with asking what you did. I think it all boils down to striker versus hammer fired DA/SA. I too have no use for a striker fired gun. BUT, in all fairness, I don't have much time on one.
I love my hammer fired DA/SA guns and run them with the de-cocker. My absolute favorite is my P-09, as a range toy and night stand gun. For concealed carry or hiking, the P-07 fills the need better for me.
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IMO, there's a big difference in asking which you like vs what's best. My post wasn't about that, just which you like and why?
FWIW, I'm still hoping to hear whether the P10 series uses a fully cocked striker.
Thanks
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I own both. Ive competed with both. I've carried both. In a gun fight, I'd rather have the 10c. For a match or as a range gun, I prefer the P07. I prefer both to a Glock. I prefer an M&P 2.0 Compact to either. Trigger and ergonomics are better. That said, I'm carrying to 10c. SW didnt have on optics ready version yet.
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I've always favored hammer fired, but I bought a P-10C when they first came out just to see if I could warm up to a striker fired pistol, after years with the P-07 and P-09. The only type of striker fired pistols I had had prior were Kahr PM-9 and PM-40, both of which I liked and shot well. But, they were too small for a range gun. I struggled with the P-10C but eventually warmed up to it, and decided to try the Optics Ready P-10F when it became available. With CGW strikers and triggers, and Glock striker springs and locks, plus some Sugru on the grips, the P-10C and F guns are great shooters with fantastic triggers. Do I still prefer a hammer gun, yes. Do I see why so many people like striker guns now? Yes. Do I think striker guns can be shot as well as a hammer gun? Absolutely. Will I ever win a bullseye match with a P-10F? We'll see. If I don't, it will be the shooter, not the gun. I've won one match with a P-07, and many with a P-09, so it is possible to win a bullseye match with a light 9mm polymer pistol. It is easier (for me) to win a match on a windy day with a heavy, soft shooting, CGW CZ-97B"E", however.
Joe
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IMO, there's a big difference in asking which you like vs what's best. My post wasn't about that, just which you like and why?
FWIW, I'm still hoping to hear whether the P10 series uses a fully cocked striker.
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Does it make a difference if it’s a fully cocked striker? The P10 has in my opinion a great out of the box trigger.
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IMO, there's a big difference in asking which you like vs what's best. My post wasn't about that, just which you like and why?
FWIW, I'm still hoping to hear whether the P10 series uses a fully cocked striker.
Thanks
Does it make a difference if it’s a fully cocked striker? The P10 has in my opinion a great out of the box trigger.
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To some it does.
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IMO, there's a big difference in asking which you like vs what's best. My post wasn't about that, just which you like and why?
FWIW, I'm still hoping to hear whether the P10 series uses a fully cocked striker.
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Does it make a difference if it’s a fully cocked striker? The P10 has in my opinion a great out of the box trigger.
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To some it does.
I’m asking you.
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My 2cents......If you're going to use multiple guns for SD...Pick ONE manual of arms: SA cocked and locked, DA/SA 1st round DA, or striker-fired; but don't mix 'em.
Yeah, I know plenty of guys do, but I subscribe to the K.I.S.S. for pressure situations. -JMO
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IMO, there's a big difference in asking which you like vs what's best. My post wasn't about that, just which you like and why?
FWIW, I'm still hoping to hear whether the P10 series uses a fully cocked striker.
Thanks
Does it make a difference if it’s a fully cocked striker? The P10 has in my opinion a great out of the box trigger.
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To some it does.
The P10 striker is not fully cocked when the trigger is forward. The principal is exactly the same as the Glock "Safe Action".
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My 2cents......If you're going to use multiple guns for SD...Pick ONE manual of arms: SA cocked and locked, DA/SA 1st round DA, or striker-fired; but don't mix 'em.
Yeah, I know plenty of guys do, but I subscribe to the K.I.S.S. for pressure situations. -JMO
I agree
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The P10 striker is not fully cocked when the trigger is forward. The principal is exactly the same as the Glock "Safe Action".
Thanks for answering that question
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First step would be pick DA/SA or striker and go from there. For DA/SA the p07/p09 is excellent. For striker I prefer others over the P10.
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Both. ;D
I still like the M&P 2.0 better though.
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the reason you're seeing so much talk about the P10 in the polymer section of the Forum is because the P10 is the newest pistol made by CZ.
If you go back in the Forum to the time of when the P10 came out you would find that most talk was about the po7 and po9.
The new baby in the family gets the most attention.
When a new baby comes into production there will be another 10,000 questions, hence most of the questions and talk are about the P-10-S-C-F.
And when somebody is new to CZ , they want to ask comparisons about the new Pistols as compared to the next oldest pistol.
And here we are with your question.
DA/SA VS STRIKER ???
Two different animals.
Just Google striker vs DA/SA
That should give you enough reading material for a week.
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I keep buying guns and I keep asking myself why after I take my P-07 to the range. Just something about that gun that makes all my others take a backseat when it comes to enjoyment at the range. I am most accurate with it, the feel is perfect and there are never any problems with any and all ammo.
Also, I prefer SA hammer fired firearms....not that I do not have both and really like my DA striker fired Kahrs.
My brother in law has a new P-10c and he loves it...but .....shoots my P-07 better. I like his P-10c, but just does not work for me.
Last thing is ...can not beat the .22 Kadet conversion for the P-07. One gun and twice the fun.
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Coming from having owned Glocks in the past, I'm more accustomed to striker fired handguns and hence, like the P10C better. My P10C has been extremely reliable and my G19's sure aren't seeing the love they once did. If only the aftermarket crowd would catch on and give the P10 the attention it deserves.
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I owned,shot, and sometimes carried Glocks for many years, so I was accustomed to striker-fired pistols. However, what I carried more often was a S&W J-frame .38 because it was simply easier / safer / more convenient to pocket carry. So I was already somewhat familiar with the challenges of a DA trigger pull.
I was originally very interested in the P-10C when it was first released, but started looking into the P-07 and decided to try one out at the range, then later purchased one... liked it a lot... then sold my Glock and bought a second P-07 for backup / range / dry fire practice.
I have a lot more DA trigger practice time in now, compared to when I had a Glock, both dry and live. I still have my J-frame but I don't carry it very often. I have a DAO pocket .380, a Sig P290RS, that I use for pocket carry when it isn't convenient to carry my P-07. Too bad CZ doesn't make a pocket-sized polymer hammer-fired gun, or I'd be looking to buy it.
I personally like the safety factor of a DA first trigger pull, and I like to have carry guns with identical or at least very similar manual of arms. None of my carry guns have a safety, and they are all DA, at least for the first pull. So that's why I made the choice I did. If I was going to go back to a striker-fired carry gun, I'd probably get a gen 5 G19 MOS (the gen 5 G19 without that stupid grip cut-out), polish the trigger internals myself, and put one of those striker control gadgets on it, so I could "ride the hammer" with my thumb when re-holstering like I do with my hammer-fired carry guns.
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Why incomparable?
Firing mechanics aside, they're both approximately the same size and probably designed to fill the same role.
He's right they are basically incomparable from the mechanical aspect that's enough. A 3-4 inch K frame revolver is also similar in size but that is where it ends. Mastering the DA first shot as with the P-07 is something that many don't like or are unwilling to practice so they opt for the striker fired platform like the P10 with it's consistent/same trigger pull from first shot to last.
A more fair comparison would be the P-07 vs a Sig P2022 or some other similar in size compact hammer fired pistol and then the P10 vs a glock 19 or a Walther PPQ.
My personal preference is the P-07 as I have less than zero use for striker fired guns.
All true. I don't know why people want to compare head to head, and I don't know why they are on the same site. Makes no sense. Can we 'get separated' please?
Maybe they should name the site, "Guns that take P10 mags", LOL.
I simply converted mine to cocked and locked, no DA pull to worry about. The P-07 is the only CZ I still own, at one time I had 5, now just the one. My primary carries are now H&K's and a couple 1911's but I still like the 07 and carry in now and then
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And when somebody is new to CZ , they want to ask comparisons about the new Pistols as compared to the next oldest pistol.
And here we are with your question.
DA/SA VS STRIKER ???
Two different animals.
Just Google striker vs DA/SA
That should give you enough reading material for a week.
Thanks for your reply but I got my first CZ back in '03...a 75B...so I'm not sure I'm "new" to CZ.
My OP was not even asking what the difference is between DA/SA and striker fired pistols, which by the way, I don't need an explanation of. I've been shooting a striker pistol for the last 8 years or so and before that I was an instructor on a DA/SA pistol for around 15 yrs.
So both models are compact polymer guns, essentially the same in size, that represent a new direction for CZ's line-up. So yeah, to me they're comparable but nobody said one has to be "better" than the other...just different. I'm just interested in what you guys like and why.
BTW, according to the CZ instruction manual for the P10, they describe the mechanism as a "precocked SA trigger mechanism". I interpret that as fully cocked but will do a little more research.
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Blueknight,
With all due respect, I don't think your OP was clear about your intended use.
Is the P-07 vs. P10 comparison based upon SD choices, bull's-eye shooting, competition, range toy??
The trend in striker-fired pistols is to make the triggers lighter and lighter; to the point where I made a personal decision that I don't want a light trigger anywhere near my family jewels. I dumped all my strikers and went DA/SA.
Oh, I still have SAO 1911's and 22 pistols that I only use at the range, but for SD I feel safer with a DA 1st round. Others chose Cocked and Locked to carry safely. The Omega trigger option of choosing either is what makes the P-07/P-09 (and a limited number of CZ 75's) unique. JMO
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Have both, have carried both, I’m more of a hammer fired fan so P07 all the way. Nothing against the P 10 C, fine pistol. I do get trigger bite with the P10c, but that’s not why I like the P07 better. Just feels like a much better gone. Ahh, get both ; )
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I have plenty of striker fire handguns - that I thoroughly enjoy shooting out in the desert or out at the range. I even open carry them out in the desert. They shoot very nicely. I am simply not convinced that the little widget trigger or grip safeties will keep me from a ND at the worst possible time and place in a concealed carry environment where all it takes is a bunched up T-shirt in front of the trigger to make it go bang.
For daily concealed carry - it will always only be a DA/SA weapon. After 50 years of shooting, the first DA trigger pull is ingrained into all of my shooting training. It’s what I trust. No safety to turn off, just clear the holster and pull the trigger. Yes, absolutely - that anybody that’s trained 50 years in a “cocked and locked” scenario would disengage that safety automatically exactly with the same efficiency I do the DA trigger. Don’t read this wrong. I am not disparaging anyone else’s choices of what or how they carry. This is just MY mindset for my choices.
All that said, I will probably purchase a P-10 to compliment my collection. I have no doubts that I would enjoy shooting it as much as I do every other CZ I own. I just won’t conceal carry it.
And on top of that, I still don’t shoot my P-07 as well as I do my P-01 that’s basically the exact same size.... but I enjoy the challenge of working to improve that situation.
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Blueknight,
With all due respect, I don't think your OP was clear about your intended use.
Is the P-07 vs. P10 comparison based upon SD choices, bull's-eye shooting, competition, range toy??
The trend in striker-fired pistols is to make the triggers lighter and lighter; to the point where I made a personal decision that I don't want a light trigger anywhere near my family jewels. I dumped all my strikers and went DA/SA.
Oh, I still have SAO 1911's and 22 pistols that I only use at the range, but for SD I feel safer with a DA 1st round. Others chose Cocked and Locked to carry safely. The Omega trigger option of choosing either is what makes the P-07/P-09 (and a limited number of CZ 75's) unique. JMO
I agree with this all the way and that's how I came to be the owner of a new P07...even though I have much more experience with the Beretta 92FS.
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Shoot 1 gun.
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BLASPHEMY!
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I have a slightly different philosophy; I like shooting different stuff but I always take my one pistol for more serious practice.
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I thoroughly enjoy the challenge of trying to master a whole fleet of completely different weapons - at every range session. Will I ever accomplish that feat? Of course not. The joy is in the work put in - to at least head my skill set that direction. I skipped my least fun shooting handgun for a month (Sig P290RS) and it amazed me how much I lost in such a short amount of time. So I devoted 100 rounds to it Saturday, and I was finally rewarded with 3” groupings at 10 yds - basically as quickly as I could empty the mag. Yes, my CZs are way more fun to shoot! But I get satisfaction from being able to shoot all of them fairly well.
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I thoroughly enjoy the challenge of trying to master a whole fleet of completely different weapons - at every range session. Will I ever accomplish that feat? Of course not. The joy is in the work put in - to at least head my skill set that direction. I skipped my least fun shooting handgun for a month (Sig P290RS) and it amazed me how much I lost in such a short amount of time. So I devoted 100 rounds to it Saturday, and I was finally rewarded with 3” groupings at 10 yds - basically as quickly as I could empty the mag. Yes, my CZs are way more fun to shoot! But I get satisfaction from being able to shoot all of them fairly well.
+1 quick 3" groups at 10 yds. with that little DAO B.U.G. is excellent IMHO
My SIG 290rs 9mm DAO is a small and safe pocket pistol, but it's long DA pull and long reset is a challenge to shoot well. I like to start a range session shooting this little puppy; and the discipline it takes to shoot quickly and accurately (I've upgraded it to SIG's X-ray 3 sights) makes everything else DA/SA easy-peasy!
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Blueknight, between those two it is an easy choice for me with the P07, as I simply prefer a DAO (had mine converted by CZ Custom with a 6 1/2 lb trigger), with TDA behind that. I prefer how the P07 feels in my hand and how it carries IWB. In spite of them being nearly identical in size, to me it “feels” shorter and a bit slimmer in the grip than the P10 C, and I shoot it better.
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I like the way the P 07 carries IWB also and I love the feel.
I like the grip of The P10C also and how it points. Feels very natural to me and I love the trigger.
I’m about to swap out the ambi mag release in the P10C with the Apex.
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I have a P10C and love it. Just today I had my new P07 OD Green delivered to my local gun shop. While they were doing the paperwork I got to fondle it and already know I'll enjoy it as well. Had to give it back which sucked while I go tomorrow to get the amendment on my permit and then wait for the judge to sign which hopefully won't be too long.
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Ah, choices are tough sometimes! I also have a new OD Green 07 waiting for me at my local shop, he isn't open till Thursday so it has been a tough week! This is my 2nd 07 so that tells ya something I guess! ;) There is another Local shop that I just found out has a used P10 with 4 mags and its FDE but with asking $425.00 plus 8% tax we are looking at $460 almost & it seems a bit high I think! It has 4 mags with it but I just think I better stay away and hope someone else buys it, LOL! Once I get my new 07 I'll be hitting the range and getting some pics up for sure!
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Nah buy it! Lol I paid more for mine but since they discontinued the white nitride version I'm glad I grabbed it while I had the chance. 4 more mags is always a good thing too haha and you can share between them
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My favorite pistola is the CZ P10C a Gen 1 2018 made. Has the Ambi Mag release which btw was really stiff but after 400 rounds Gun is smooth as silk. Really a great shooter. Before this Gun I owned Glocks and I liked them but I shoot my P10C better. However, there is a CZ hammer Gun I love and that's the TSO. OMG this pistola shoots the fuzz off of a peach at 25 yards!
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It depends on whether you want a hammer fired, DA/SA gun or a striker fired gun.
If you're talking striker guns, you have literally a crap-ton (which is a lot :) ) of choices. Which the P10C is one of. May even be in the top handful of choices. Perhaps.
If you're talking hammer fired, DA/SA, with the ability to swap out the decocker for a thumb safety, among its other features, well, the P-07 is pretty unique and given it's track record over the years, kind of hard to beat.
Edit: typo.
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It depends on whether you what a hammer fired, DA/SA gun or a striker fired gun.
If you're talking striker guns, you have literally a crap-ton (which is a lot :) ) of choices. Which the P10C is one of. May even be in the top handful of choices. Perhaps.
If you're talking hammer fired, DA/SA, with the ability to swap out the decocker for a thumb safety, among its other features, well, the P-07 is pretty unique and given it's track record over the years, kind of hard to beat.
+1 Well said!
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I like hammer fired guns more but do have 2 striker fired which I love as well. My xds 45 is my smallest for carry and the trigger sucks compared to P10C but that's why I don't carry the p10. Xds has the grip safety which I never feel but gives me some peace of mind. My p07 may be my go to carry once I get it and put it through it's paces. My other 2 hammer guns are too big for carry
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Although my P-07 is my favorite and shoot it best...My CM9 Kahr ...yep striker fire, is almost right up there with it. Here in Florida, I admit I carry it most of the time in the hot months but wear my P-07 inan Alien Gear holster when I can.
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Although my P-07 is my favorite and shoot it best...My CM9 Kahr ...yep striker fire, is almost right up there with it. Here in Florida, I admit I carry it most of the time in the hot months but wear my P-07 inan Alien Gear holster when I can.
Yeah, in hot climates The CM9 is easier to conceal or pocket holster.
Isn't the Kahr more of a Double-action? In that way it's more like your P-07 assuming you're 1st round is Double-action?
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Vinny--The Kahr is a regular striker fired action but with a very long, very smooth, trigger pull. Takes some getting used to, but it is great once you get over the "why hasn't this thing gone off yet" travel. I quite liked it when I was carrying a Kahr PM-40 and PM/CM-9. I even thought about buying a 4" Kahr at one time...before the P10's were released. Really like the P-10 triggers with a few CGW parts and a 4 lb Glock striker spring. Kahr's are gone.
Joe
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Blueknight, between those two it is an easy choice for me with the P07, as I simply prefer a DAO (had mine converted by CZ Custom with a 6 1/2 lb trigger), with TDA behind that. I prefer how the P07 feels in my hand and how it carries IWB. In spite of them being nearly identical in size, to me it “feels” shorter and a bit slimmer in the grip than the P10 C, and I shoot it better.
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I have 2 P10Cs and 3 P07s and as much as I like the P10C, the P07 gets more holster time. I’d have to agree regarding the size. The P10C just feels bigger to me than the P07 does. I too tend to wonder why I have any other carry guns after a day spent at the range with the P07.
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I have a P10C and love it. Just today I had my new P07 OD Green delivered to my local gun shop. While they were doing the paperwork I got to fondle it and already know I'll enjoy it as well. Had to give it back which sucked while I go tomorrow to get the amendment on my permit and then wait for the judge to sign which hopefully won't be too long.
Sure am happy to live in Indiana where I can see a gun, buy it and be shooting within the hour after a clean and lube.
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Vinny--The Kahr is a regular striker fired action but with a very long, very smooth, trigger pull. Takes some getting used to, but it is great once you get over the "why hasn't this thing gone off yet" travel. I quite liked it when I was carrying a Kahr PM-40 and PM/CM-9. I even thought about buying a 4" Kahr at one time...before the P10's were released. Really like the P-10 triggers with a few CGW parts and a 4 lb Glock striker spring. Kahr's are gone.
Joe
Thanks Joe for the clarification.
A few years back I had been considering a Kahr PM/CM9 for pocket carry, but couldn't find a local range to try one, so I got my 9mm SIG 290rs instead and it's a true DAO hammer-fired with 're-strike' capability. Not only is the trigger pull long apparently like the Kahr, the reset is also long and the trigger pull although smooth is 8- 9+ lbs. Maybe akin to a S&W J-frame. It's a challenge to shoot well quickly, but it was what I wanted for a safe pocket carry.
I've since picked up a SIG P365 and it shoots circles around the SIG 290rs; but the trigger pull at 5-1/2lbs is a tad short and light to be floating around my pocket.
However, in another thread Armoredman hinted something like the P365 'might' be coming from CZ. He wouldn't say what and when, but only that "Good things come to those with patience" or something like that. Visions of a shorter, thinner, smaller 10-12 round version of the P-10s came to mind. Not to start rumors or anything like that. O0 lol
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if you get a new czech p10c with the reversible mag release, you probably shouldn't have any problems.
i would choose and do carry the P07 appendix. I require a hammer da/sa for appendix, and I need the larger trigger guard of the P07 because where I live, there are 4 distinct seasons, so I need a trigger guard that can handle warm gloves.
that being said, a P10 F sits on my dresser when i'm catching Z(s).
also, I like czech made P10C(s); cold hammer forged barrels and CIP stamped.
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I had a P-07 and sold it earlier this year. Missed that gun so much I just bought another one last week. I also carry appendix and prefer a hammer gun for this.
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I had a P-07 and sold it earlier this year. Missed that gun so much I just bought another one last week. I also carry appendix and prefer a hammer gun for this.
Same thing here. Sold my P07 in 2016 after a few months. Missed it after going thru multiple firearms. Bought a new P07 in 2020 and have not looked back.
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Also, the P07 will fire just like a striker fired handgun if you just rack the slide on the first shot like you would do with any other striker fired gun. The only time it would be DA is if you insert a magazine and pull the trigger without racking the gun. THEN, you will have a long heavy trigger pull. Basically the P07 is the best of both worlds IMHO.
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For me, it is the P10C. As much as I liked the P07, I had a tendency to sometimes pinch my pinky between the frontstrap and mag baseplate when inserting a mag. My P10C doesn't do this (nor for that matter does my P01), so I moved the P07 on. YMMV.
I wish CZ made the P07 grip about 1/8" longer, it would alleviate the problem. While I'm at it, how about making the P09 upper compatible with the P07 lower, like you can do with some of the P10s? ;)
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P10C. DA/SA goes to the P series Sig.
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I do not care for the Sig handgun grip angle. To vertical for my taste.
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I own both a p-07 and a p-10c. I shoot both equally well. I just prefer hammer fired pistols. But there is nothing wrong with the p-10c. I’ve fired thousands of rounds through it with mol zero gun problems. The p-07, not as Many rounds but zero gun related problems. So in my opinion, it nis a user preference as to which one gets used.
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Also, the P07 will fire just like a striker fired handgun if you just rack the slide on the first shot like you would do with any other striker fired gun. The only time it would be DA is if you insert a magazine and pull the trigger without racking the gun. THEN, you will have a long heavy trigger pull. Basically the P07 is the best of both worlds IMHO.
Most of us wouldn't carry a striker-fired or hammer-fired pistol in a condition where we'd need to rack the slide before firing it, I don't think. The way you get your P-07 to have a similar or better trigger pull to your P10 on the first shot is to carry cocked and locked with the manual safety installed. Some people do that, but most of us carry with a round in the chamber and have the decocker installed with the hammer in the decock notch. In that case, we generally install CGW parts to improve the DA trigger pull and practice the DA pull and DA/SA transition to overcome the difference.
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I prefer the P-07 myself. Just never warmed up to the P-10C after having a pair.
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I've carried a P07 for several years now and wonder about the P-10C. I'm not sure about changing having only dryfired a P-10C and P-10S. There is one indoor range in town that carries CZs, I should drop by and see if they have a P-10C for rent... ;)
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I own both and, as others have mentioned, it really is comparing apples to oranges dues to hammer-fired vs. striker fired. I like both guns for completely different reasons. I utilized my P07 with a mounted suppressor for my home defense firearm as I am able to use a "through the trigger guard" biometric lock (I have toddlers) without worry due to the long double action trigger. I have tested the lock, with the firearm unloaded of course, and simply cannot force the lock anywhere near enough to engage the trigger. This allows me to feel safe with this style lock through the trigger guard with a cartridge chambered. My P10 has become the firearm I use when training new shooters due to the consistent trigger and great ergonomics. I feel it is a better carry gun when compared to the P07. My opinion, your mileage may vary.
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P-07
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Old thread, but I'd still choose the P-07. Although I sure wish CZ would update a few things on it - mainly the weird decocker, and offer an OR version.
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P-07 IWB
P10C OWB
Due to holster availability.
Although I think I enjoy shooting the P-07 ever so slightly more.
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I posted a question here about the CZ P10's striker and it is apparently half cocked like a Glock. I always assumed the striker was fully cocked on the P10.
https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=119498.0