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GENERAL => Right to Keep and Bear Arms => Topic started by: Old-Duckman on August 22, 2019, 12:35:08 PM
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Not always but usually, pro-gun folks are conservative in their political views. My friends where I work fall into both categories. As we have been discussing the latest gun related news I have put forth the following opinion and thought I'd relate it to you all for your consideration, comments etc.
1 - Public schools (an arm of the "state" IMO, without question they are state run) have been and continue to espouse liberal, often anti-American, view points. It has worked and much of the younger generation(s) have bought into that way of thinking. They seem to be begging for the state to strip them of their constitutional rights, and ours in the process.
2 - "News" surely run by the state and without doubt are pushing the State agenda, which includes anti-gun, anti-2nd amendment stances.
3 - Lastly my conclusion and the most controversial of my points; the Bible. The Bible clearly predicts a coming one world government under the leadership of one individual (or one congruous system as some interpret it, vs a single individual), whichever the case all peoples will be under the control of a single controlling force. For this to be accomplished there simply can not be a sovereign country operating with the freedoms we as Americans blithely take for granted. For this one world government to exist either America can not exist and will be destroyed or (more likely) our current form of government will strip its citizens of any and all rights that might threaten the existence of such an all controlling force.
I don't know when this will happen but in my mind there is no other foreseeable outcome. Our ability to own and use the firearms we are currently able to will most likely not survive another generation.
As I have said many times to my colleagues, "I'm glad I'm old."
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I don't know, I think it's much simpler than that. I think the apathy of the general public, including most gun owners, will allow for the extremes on both sides to ruin it for the rest of us.
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Against all odds...........................I remain defiant! 8)
If you are not already involved with your local and State Gun Clubs, get involved! If they happen to have any Youth Shooting programs, help them out!
Stay involved with your local and state Politics, no matter how corrupt they may be, and let your voice be heard!
Do not let the illusion the so called Main Stream Corporate Media voices, become yours and our reality!
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Not always but usually, pro-gun folks are conservative in their political views. My friends where I work fall into both categories. As we have been discussing the latest gun related news I have put forth the following opinion and thought I'd relate it to you all for your consideration, comments etc.
1 - Public schools (an arm of the "state" IMO, without question they are state run) have been and continue to espouse liberal, often anti-American, view points. It has worked and much of the younger generation(s) have bought into that way of thinking. They seem to be begging for the state to strip them of their constitutional rights, and ours in the process.
2 - "News" surely run by the state and without doubt are pushing the State agenda, which includes anti-gun, anti-2nd amendment stances.
3 - Lastly my conclusion and the most controversial of my points; the Bible. The Bible clearly predicts a coming one world government under the leadership of one individual (or one congruous system as some interpret it, vs a single individual), whichever the case all peoples will be under the control of a single controlling force. For this to be accomplished there simply can not be a sovereign country operating with the freedoms we as Americans blithely take for granted. For this one world government to exist either America can not exist and will be destroyed or (more likely) our current form of government will strip its citizens of any and all rights that might threaten the existence of such an all controlling force.
I don't know when this will happen but in my mind there is no other foreseeable outcome. Our ability to own and use the firearms we are currently able to will most likely not survive another generation.
As I have said many times to my colleagues, "I'm glad I'm old."
Yes I often think the same thing and for the record I'm that "extreme" that will NEVER surrender ANYTHING while I'm breathing. No compromise.
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Against all odds...........................I remain defiant! 8)
If you are not already involved with your local and State Gun Clubs, get involved! If they happen to have any Youth Shooting programs, help them out!
Stay involved with your local and state Politics, no matter how corrupt they may be, and let your voice be heard!
Do not let the illusion the so called Main Stream Corporate Media voices, become yours and our reality!
I've long since pushed my support to local gun organizations rather than national ones. Being able to call or email the president and get a response the same day is great. Also, they are very much in the know with what is going on with state legislation and getting the membership involved.
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"I'm glad I'm old."
I concur with this sentiment.
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At the risk of taking a more controversial perspective (at least here), I believe that background checks that focus on keeping guns out of the hands of proven violent/threatening people are a good idea. I'm okay with requiring training and licensing to own a gun. One gun ... multiple guns ... that really doesn't matter.
The assault weapons ban is absurd because it will be completely ineffective at stopping gun-based crime or mass-murderers.
Red Flag laws are inherently unconstitutional as they presume guilt, allowing unlawful search and seizure.
Tyranny is not taking guns away, though that's something a tyrant might indeed want to do. The US used to be a beacon of freedom. You cannot be free if you can't feed, clothe, or house yourself. Engineered poverty and destruction of the manufacturing base are not about freedom, quite the opposite. The "American Dream" has been all but eliminated. Our Constitution was written in defense against tyranny and we're being reminded of how precious those freedoms are.
Finally, if you're afraid of government taking a heavy hand to right this ship, keep in mind that desperate people losing homes to the climate crisis will necessarily move inland. Despite all the hype, there likely won't be a breakdown in law or government. Instead, the government will take a much heavier hand to control the situation. So, we have a choice now on whether to allow our leaders to continue to deny or remember who we are, as a people.
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The anti-gunners will win through the brainwashing of our children. Old pharts and patriots like me will die off, and the youngsters will not even realize what they are ultimately giving up. I, and others of my generation, will be long since dead and there will be nobody to even pretend to fight it.
I am so very glad that I won’t be here to see the results of an entire country being turned into the giant liberal cesspool...because you know full well that when they have the political power to destroy the Constitution - that most every other part of the fabric our country is currently woven with will be shredded and discarded as well.
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I'm not quite ready to concede defeat.
If the current political atmosphere is conducive for government to Do Something!!!™ (and it is) I would like to see the federal Department of Education mandate firearms safety in all public schools.
After long and somber deliberations with all the factions making those demands and in consultation with the NRA (which apparently has already taken place) the President should instruct Secretary Betsy DeVos to enact a program of fundamental firearms safety for implementation beginning in grade school. It should address learning about long guns / handguns / semi-autos / ammunition / NFA items / legal requirements ownership and use... the list is very, very long and you already know that.
Firearms are not addressed in public schools any more, not that I know of anyway. Sex education is. Driver education is. Lots of things are... but guns? Total silence. The result of this ignorance is an embarrassing lack of understanding and wild misconceptions on display at all levels of society, most of whom get their firearms education through movies and TV... and just about everything shown in them is 100% BS. Arguably, ignorance has encouraged mass shootings because the victims are uninformed and defenseless as a result.
Lots of those misconceptions make their way into laws, many of which are ill-conceived and totally inscrutable but nevertheless we have to cope with them.
The gun grabbers / collectivists will howl and scream but they do that anyway. Besides, what are they to complain about? Education is a good thing, isn't it? President is doing something to address gun safety, isn't he?
I'd like to hear some cogent arguments why such a program is a bad idea. Lacking them, the President would be acting within the law by making such a request of the D of E.
If Bush could implement "No Child Left Behind" surely Trump could do this. For once, perhaps Do Something!!!™ would lead to something good.
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The anti's will win if we don't use all of our resources to fight for our Constitutional rights.
NEVER GIVE UP, NEVER GIVE IN!
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Probably the most frustrating for me is all of the outright lies like comparing AR15 to actual military weapons including that they can fire 500 rounds a minute and that there is no reason to own one other than for killing. As if it isn't the most useful platform for MANY calibers and uses. Without "large capacity" magazines there would be considerably less chances of killing a lot of people. Nobody needs to have hundreds of rounds of ammunition. The "gun show loophole" and buying on the internet bypasses NICS checks and allows anyone to buy a gun.
My father used to say 50% of the people out there are as smart as stones. Those people appear to believe every fake news story and anti-gun BS they hear and they spew SO MUCH bull bleep that are outright lies.
We may be doomed but going out kicking and screaming all the way.
They don't even get it that all the laws are already broken by criminals yet they think murder being illegal isn't stopping them but they think New gun laws will do it.
It's the cars that cause drunk driving, the forks cause fat people ....................
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Absolutely it's about control and whatever means they can achieve to get us there and disarmed. Today the demonic flavor of the day is the AR15 or AK47 or anything along those lines. I remember in the 70's it was those cheap "Saturday Night specials" which is another lousy term used to demonize what was nothing more than small pocket pistols. Then came the 80's and the Reagan shooting and Jim Brady who was also severely wounded in that incident. After that Sarah Brady founded Handgun Control Inc. and they sought to demonize All handguns as the easily concealed tool of the devil. Then the NY subway shooting carried out with a high capacity Beretta pistol and Black Talon bullets. That led us into AWB 1994 and mag capacity restrictions and restrictions on guns that were nothing more than cosmetics and it was all just bunk and excuses to limit the availability of what ever they could demonize and get away with.
They will never stop till they can ban them all as that is the ultimate goal. Today it's semi auto rifles and when that doesn't work it will be shotguns and then handguns and eventually if people allow it to happen they won't even be allowed a black powder musket.
Never surrender!
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Yes, the anti-gunners WILL win, unless good pro-gun citizens help and encourage our legislators to pass common sense revisions to the current gun laws.
Just two weeks after the Parkland FL school shootings, FL legislators quickly responded to the public outcry for SOMETHING to be done, and within two weeks passed Florida SB 7026 and it was signed into law by then Rep. Governor Rick Scott (now a Republican US Senator). IMHO this was a common-sense approach, and I fear that if we do nothing and propose nothing, we WILL lose our rights. The prompt action by the FL legislature and Governor increased public safety in FL without taking away any guns.
Before you dismiss FL SB 7026 as tyranny, take some time to read it. I understand those that say we should resit ANY give; but IMHO that approach will simply end in defeat and the Left-wing will be allowed to write the laws their way.
JMO
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Nope no way not buying that at all. We have 20,000 gun laws on the books that are not being properly enforced already.Tired of hearing this crap "common sense" approach as well. That's the rhetoric of the anti gunners in that everything they propose is "common sense" and if you disagree you are unreasonable.
The common sense approach is just another way of chipping away at our rights bit by little bit.
FACT: Every criminal who wants a gun right now has one.
FACT: Nothing anyone has proposed will prevent the next looney tune from carrying out mayhem.
FACT: Nothing we concede to will prevent bad people from doing bad things and we'll only lose more of our hard fought freedom.
There is just nothing we can agree to that will ever stop the anti's. We could all dump our legally owned AR's in the smelter today and it would not appease them in the least. Next week they'll be back for more.
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Yes, the anti-gunners WILL win, unless good pro-gun citizens help and encourage our legislators to pass common sense revisions to the current gun laws.
Just two weeks after the Parkland FL school shootings, FL legislators quickly responded to the public outcry for SOMETHING to be done, and within two weeks passed Florida SB 7026 and it was signed into law by then Rep. Governor Rick Scott (now a Republican US Senator). IMHO this was a common-sense approach, and I fear that if we do nothing and propose nothing, we WILL lose our rights. The prompt action by the FL legislature and Governor increased public safety in FL without taking away any guns.
Before you dismiss FL SB 7026 as tyranny, take some time to read it. I understand those that say we should resit ANY give; but IMHO that approach will simply end in defeat and the Left-wing will be allowed to write the laws their way.
JMO
What I believe to be the flaw in that approach is that "they" will never be satisfied until all privately owned firearms are eliminated.
One recent example: I am on the mailing list of PFAW (people for the American way) (always good to know your opponent), they just sent an email yesterday that had a link to a drive by the Parkland student group. The link told them to write a letter to Walmart, take a photo of you standing in front of your local Walmart with the letter in hand and deliver the letter to the customer service area asking them to forward it to the store manager.
After the Parkland event Walmart raised the age limit for buying firearms in their stores and discontinued sale of handguns and assault style rifles . This was mentioned in the email and was included in the suggested text of the letter they were encouraging everyone to write. The next line in their letter to Walmart was what caught my attention the most, the exact line after stating what Walmart had already done was this "That was not enough." To me, that said it all...As stated above, it will never "be enough" until all privately owned firearms are eliminated...Reason, read my initial post, an armed citizenry just won't be acceptable to a one world governing system.
Don't be deceived and don't think you can placate this bunch. The goal of globalists is the total elimination of privately owned firearms, no exceptions ! They are ever so patient but the goal will not change. They live by the method of "death by a thousand slices".
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Nope no way not buying that at all. We have 20,000 gun laws on the books that are not being properly enforced already.Tired of hearing this crap "common sense" approach as well. That's the rhetoric of the anti gunners in that everything they propose is "common sense" and if you disagree you are unreasonable.
The common sense approach is just another way of chipping away at our rights bit by little bit.
FACT: Every criminal who wants a gun right now has one.
FACT: Nothing anyone has proposed will prevent the next looney tune from carrying out mayhem.
FACT: Nothing we concede to will prevent bad people from doing bad things and we'll only lose more of our hard fought freedom.
There is just nothing we can agree to that will ever stop the anti's. We could all dump our legally owned AR's in the smelter today and it would not appease them in the least. Next week they'll be back for more.
Can't say I disagree, but...have you read Florida Senate Bill 7026?
It's not the anti-gunners who I'm worried about, it's the Moms and Dads and Grandparents who VOTE that just want our schools safe, and if we don't propose a good way to do that, we will lose by default. Just Say'in
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Nope no way not buying that at all. We have 20,000 gun laws on the books that are not being properly enforced already.Tired of hearing this crap "common sense" approach as well. That's the rhetoric of the anti gunners in that everything they propose is "common sense" and if you disagree you are unreasonable.
The common sense approach is just another way of chipping away at our rights bit by little bit.
FACT: Every criminal who wants a gun right now has one.
FACT: Nothing anyone has proposed will prevent the next looney tune from carrying out mayhem.
FACT: Nothing we concede to will prevent bad people from doing bad things and we'll only lose more of our hard fought freedom.
There is just nothing we can agree to that will ever stop the anti's. We could all dump our legally owned AR's in the smelter today and it would not appease them in the least. Next week they'll be back for more.
Can't say I disagree, but...have you read Florida Senate Bill 7026?
It's not the anti-gunners who I'm worried about, it's the Moms and Dads and Grandparents who VOTE that just want our schools safe, and if we don't propose a good way to do that, we will lose by default. Just Say'in
Absolutely! I support legislation that overhauls our FAILED public school system that has been turning out a defective product for more than 40 years now and steps to address the mental health issues that are causing some of these young people to go around the bend. Till we start teaching kids again what they need to know to make it in this world coupled with proper history and purpose of the United States of America nothing will change. If we don't do this the country as a whole will be lost in short order.
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I think one issue that we're dealing with here is really a demographic question. In say, the 1920's, a much larger percentage of the population lived in rural areas,
and so had more exposure to folks that owned firearms or hunted. Even rural folks that don't own guns know friends or relatives that do, and tend to realize that
gun ownership by law abiding people is perfectly OK. Today, a much higher percentage of the population lives in cities, and are completely ignorant about firearms.
You can't really blame them: they typically don't have any positive exposure to them, they often don't know anyone that owns them, and in the urban world they
live in, the only people that seem to have them are the police, or criminals. While it's important to resist stupid gun laws, I think gun owners also need to present
responsible firearms ownership in a positive light, and help educate people who view gun ownership as aberrant. If the public simply views gun owners as negative
and obstructionist, we'll never win anything.
I had an interesting conversation with a (urban) neighbor of mine a few years ago. Somehow in a conversation, I mentioned I had gone bird hunting. She basically told me
that my killing birds was immoral. So, I asked her if she ate meat, and she answered yes. I (carefully, and politely) pointed out to her that when she bought meat
from the store, she was paying someone else to do the killing for her, and that by buying meat, she was in part responsible for the death of the animal. This might seem
obvious, but she had never even thought about it. To her credit, she didn't push back and she did think about it. We can rant about how folks like this are stupid, or
we can try to educate them.
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Folks like that are still stupid though.
Usually willfully stupid.
Classic example of why reasonable discussions are near impossible these days. Uninformed does not equal stupid. Diving in head first and calling people names and labeling them as morons, idiots, stupid, etc. does absolutely nothing to help inform, educate, and pursuade.
I suppose I'm old fashioned and not hip to outrage culture that is so en vogue these days. Unless both sides of this issue can figure out how set aside their emotions and ad hominem attacks, we are heading down a dangerous path. If worse comes to worse, I have my contingency plan. Hopefully it doesn't come to that.
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I've never been known to sugar coat anything. I'm honest to a fault.
I'm thinking of other definitions that might fit better, but I am drawing blanks.
Any grown adult that doesn't know that the meat they buy from the store or restaurant was once alive, is stupid and their parents failed miserably.
This is correct. These people can't be reasoned with and they reject just about any opinion that doesn't mesh with what they've been spoon fed. These are the same people who brought about lawn mowers that shut off when you let go of the handle because they were far too stupid to understand if you stick your hand under there while it's running you will lose it. They are the same kind of morons that forget their kids are in the back seat and now we will have yet another annoying auto safety feature called the backseat alarm.
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Someone's political perspective has nothing to do with their intelligence People think in terms of "frames." Dr. George Lakoff is considered the father of "framing." Think of frames as complete concepts that encompass one or more linked idea, associated values, and how you feel. A great digestible book on the subject is "Don't Think of an Elephant." There are also some great YouTubes. One important outcome of his research is that when people are faced with facts that contradict their frames, they will reject the facts. This is true for everyone. Frames are intentionally established and reinforced by our politicians, captive political media, and social networks. The more you hear a frame, the more likely you are to believe it's true. This is why gaslighting works. If you can control someone's frames, then you can literally control how they think.
Because of mainstream media segmentation by audience and the corrupt intentions of their owners, too many people are intentionally locked into a set of frames and incapable of discerning fact from lies and propaganda.
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ANTI-gunners ALWAYS over-reach. And it's always left to a few brave souls, to PROPERLY put them back in their place...
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I read this quotation for the first time this morning, it was quoted in an article about globalism, here is the quote:
“When an opponent declares, ‘I will not come over to your side,’ I calmly say, ‘Your child belongs to us already. You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing else but this new community.”
It seems to speak directly to what we are discussing here. The quote is from none other than Adolph Hitler... His spirit still lives and is active in our country today.
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I've never been known to sugar coat anything. I'm honest to a fault.
I'm thinking of other definitions that might fit better, but I am drawing blanks.
Any grown adult that doesn't know that the meat they buy from the store or restaurant was once alive, is stupid and their parents failed miserably.
I'm sure that my neighbor was perfectly aware that her meat comes from animals that were once alive. What she hadn't done was make the connection
between the responsibility of a hunter for the game they kill and her responsibility for the meat she bought. This is probably because there was never a reason
for her to think about it: she's lived in a city all her life and may have never spoken to, or even knew someone who hunts. She was probably simply
parroting back something she heard someone else say, or at least expressing, without thinking about it her general distaste for the idea of hunting. That's OK:
most people don't think much about subjects that don't interest them and she was obviously not interested in hunting.
The point of the post was that by the end of the conversation, she had thought about it some. I never talked with her again about hunting, and don't know what her
conclusions were, but I think she realized that there is more to the subject of hunting than she had assumed. That, in my view was a win.
I could have been rude, or suggested she was stupid, which could have been emotionally satisfying for about 15 seconds, but it certainly wouldn't have improved her opinion
about hunters and hunting. And, since she and her husband lived across the street and were nice folks, it would have ruined our relationship as neighbors. That would
have been a loss.
Being honest is important, but increasingly, people seem to think that honesty = rudeness and an inability to communicate in a reasonable fashion. That might feel good,
but it isn't going to help us win in the long run.
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It's no problem: they moved out of their house, and then we did. But, I honestly don't think that would have been a problem. She didn't seem
upset when she found out I own guns.
One of the other neighbors, that was a different story...
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IMHO, gun rights need to be distanced from other political hot topic issues. One thing that bothered me was NRAtv spewing very xenophobic, homophobic, racist, and sexist rhetoric because it appeased the far right. Alienating people based on how they look is not going to win friends. That winds up being how people view the gun community and hating us all, rightfully so.. Nratv has changed somewhat, though I don’t know if it is too little too late.
I see that here at times too. We need to be able to drop the antagonistic speech and reach out to a newer, younger community. Education is a powerful tool, but everyone needs to be listening and communicating.
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IMHO, gun rights need to be distanced from other political hot topic issues. One thing that bothered me was NRAtv spewing very xenophobic, homophobic, racist, and sexist rhetoric because it appeased the far right. Alienating people based on how they look is not going to win friends. That winds up being how people view the gun community and hating us all, rightfully so.. Nratv has changed somewhat, though I don’t know if it is too little too late.
I see that here at times too. We need to be able to drop the antagonistic speech and reach out to a newer, younger community. Education is a powerful tool, but everyone needs to be listening and communicating.
Whoa..I watched quite a bit of NRAtv clips and never saw ANYTHING of what you say - please provide cites and examples.We'll drop the "antagonistic" speech to those who we elect when Maxine Waters quits telling people to push conservatives out physically, when Nancy Pelosi quits telling her people to punch people in the face, when Joe Biden quits telling people he'd like to beat up the President, when Madonna apologizes for wanting to blow up the White House, when Rosie O'Donnell apologizes for stating anyone owning a gun should go to jail while hiring armed guards for her family, etc., etc., ad nauseum, including that odious little stain Hogg and his continuous foul mouthed lies.
No, sir, that reads like a Leftist talking point, not buying it one bit.
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IMHO, gun rights need to be distanced from other political hot topic issues. One thing that bothered me was NRAtv spewing very xenophobic, homophobic, racist, and sexist rhetoric because it appeased the far right. Alienating people based on how they look is not going to win friends. That winds up being how people view the gun community and hating us all, rightfully so.. Nratv has changed somewhat, though I don’t know if it is too little too late.
I see that here at times too. We need to be able to drop the antagonistic speech and reach out to a newer, younger community. Education is a powerful tool, but everyone needs to be listening and communicating.
Whoa..I watched quite a bit of NRAtv clips and never saw ANYTHING of what you say - please provide cites and examples.We'll drop the "antagonistic" speech to those who we elect when Maxine Waters quits telling people to push conservatives out physically, when Nancy Pelosi quits telling her people to punch people in the face, when Joe Biden quits telling people he'd like to beat up the President, when Madonna apologizes for wanting to blow up the White House, when Rosie O'Donnell apologizes for stating anyone owning a gun should go to jail while hiring armed guards for her family, etc., etc., ad nauseum, including that odious little stain Hogg and his continuous foul mouthed lies.
No, sir, that reads like a Leftist talking point, not buying it one bit.
I agree I have never seen or heard any such language coming from the NRA or any other mainstream gun lobby for that matter. Any rhetoric I've experienced has been positive and inclusive for all.
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Politics is very tit for tat, with extremes on both sides profiting on the “we’ll back down when they do” mentality.
As an example, recently a couple cases came out of Alabama that impacted civil rights, one on race the other on women’s rights. Both heralded by NRAtv. The response in California was for the legislature to go into an extra session and come push through three new gun regulations/fees.
Regardless of how anyone feels about those cases, why even mention them on a gun rights advocacy network.
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Ditto on not seeing it on the NRA vids.
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Politics is very tit for tat, with extremes on both sides profiting on the “we’ll back down when they do” mentality.
As an example, recently a couple cases came out of Alabama that impacted civil rights, one on race the other on women’s rights. Both heralded by NRAtv. The response in California was for the legislature to go into an extra session and come push through three new gun regulations/fees.
Regardless of how anyone feels about those cases, why even mention them on a gun rights advocacy network.
You got a link to what was supposedly said? What particular cases? What you are posting here is exceedingly vague and without substance without alot more info to back it up.
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While the site is not posting new videos, the archives are still up and readily accessible.
If you watched the videos, you saw them, if not, you can go back and watch them or use google. Its not hard.
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Really I watched and I must have a perspective different than you or I missed them.
If it is as easy as you profess please help me find them so I can be appalled as well.
RCG
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Really I watched and I must have a perspective different than you
Absolutely! That’s kinda my point.
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I know what your point is -
I just wish I could see it from the correct perspective like you do.
My point is : show me my folly, don't just say it exists but then expect me to be enlightened because you are.
you would have to be pretty silly to think I would dig hard to find what I don't see & you only say exists.
But I'm sure that's kinda your point again.
RCG
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Ok, here’s my point.
Don’t drag me down a rabbit hole if you are not going to look around yourself.
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Ok here is my point:
don't tell me a rabbit hole exists ask me to look into it, but not show me where it is, not show me a rabbit actually lives there. And then get bent up when I say Ill go in but you need to show me its really a rabbit hole.
RCG
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The rabbit hole has been discussed ad nauseam, to ask for timestamps when Stinchfield or Bongino said something offensive is goofy and a diversion. Ya I get that what they said does not offend you. Again, that is not relevant to the discussion.
What I said was akin to asking folks to stop calling each other names. Sorry that got you in a bind.
Now,,,, the real discussion point, is why does a gun advocacy group need to get into the weeds on non-firearms topics.
Ps. I don’t mean to be a jerk, and in the last couple of months for NRAtv, they did change. If you are really struggling to find off topic banter in their site, go back before May of this year. If you are still struggling to find videos, pm me and I’ll send you some links.
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I went in and found plenty but nothing where they disparage anyone. Or maybe it's just my right wing prism. Oh yeah there is a media matters vid in the mix with the rest that disparages NRATV and gun owners in general but what would anyone expect from the soros crowd?
You made allegations and you got in a bind when called out on them.The burden of proof is on you to validate your allegations.If you have links to something we aren't seeing post them for everyone to see.
I see gun discussions involving other topics quite often and they make valid points when you hear what's being said versus just the parts that maybe offend you.
When the left crams every perversity they can think down our throats as a constitutional right then turn around and call to abolish the 2A yeah it all becomes fair game. By the way if you're paying attention they're after the 1A as well with trying to ban words,phrases,and anything that might offend their new"woke" crowd like referring to a person's biological gender or the fact that a person is a convicted felon. The attack on our true constitutional rights spans more than just guns.
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"The attack on our true constitutional rights spans more than just guns."
Very true, 2A is the lynchpin. If it falls, the rest follow quickly.
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offend their new"woke" crowd like referring to a person's biological gender
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Enlighten me
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offend their new"woke" crowd like referring to a person's biological gender
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Enlighten me
How's this for a start (click the link below to see a simple "common sense" chart)...you must not follow any "news" other than the pablum, agenda driven "main stream media" propoganda. The agenda is no longer hidden and is forced down ours and our children's throats on a daily basis.
http://transstudent.org/pronouns101/ (http://transstudent.org/pronouns101/)
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Enough. There's a reason we restrict political discussion on this board to items that directly affect our right to keep and bear arms.
Locked.