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GENERAL => General Firearms Discussion => Topic started by: Vinny on October 04, 2019, 09:08:46 AM
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CZ has a great (if not THE best) line-up of DA/SA 9mm. For those of us that believe in the safety of 1st round DA, with quick and light SA follow-up shots; CZ has the bases covered........except ONE: NO pocket-sized DA/SA pistol.
I live in the south where shorts and T-shirt are pretty much year-round. I prefer a pocket-holstered CCW, and wish CZ had a DA/SA micro-9.
Micro-9's are extremely popular yet CZ doesn't have one. Yeah, there's plenty of SA micro pistols. Plenty of micro striker pistols. Plenty of DAO micro pistols. But micro-9 DA/SA??
I recently acquired this 20 year old S&W CS9 Chief's Special, 7+1 and surprising light (20.8oz.) for an all-metal handgun. Ahead of it's time before CCW got traction?
Yeah, I wish it was a wee bit smaller with a few more capacity like my SIG 365. If Smith could do this 20+ years ago, why can't CZ update this: a micro 9 DA/SA decocker even in polymer? Am I the only one that wishes for this??
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I've handled every poly pocket garter belt 9mm under the sun. Not a single one can replace my J frames for hot weather carry. Incidentally CZ bested the S&W 3rd gen single stacks with the Rami and when you compare the 3rd gen single stacks to the 75B compact and PCR the CZ's are really not much bigger and give true full size capacity in a compact frame.
The 3rd gens have their place in history and I still have a lone 3913 in the safe but with just plain better options available that's where it will be staying.
I'm sure CZ at some point will offer a pocket baby in the P10 line but I seriously doubt we'll see one with a hammer.
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I've handled every poly pocket garter belt 9mm under the sun. Not a single one can replace my J frames for hot weather carry. Incidentally CZ bested the S&W 3rd gen single stacks with the Rami and when you compare the 3rd gen single stacks to the 75B compact and PCR the CZ's are really not much bigger and give true full size capacity in a compact frame.
The 3rd gens have their place in history and I still have a lone 3913 in the safe but with just plain better options available that's where it will be staying.
I'm sure CZ at some point will offer a pocket baby in the P10 line but I seriously doubt we'll see one with a hammer.
You're undoubtedly right about CZ 'maybe' a P-10 micro-9. Another striker added into the fray.
My RAMI BD is just too chubby for my pockets, but it is a great pistol.
And a J-frame is a legitimate pocket gun. But it's only 5 shots, DAO trigger, and maybe best as a BUG. JMO (I had a S&W 432 6 shot J-frame 32 H&R Magnum).
The SIG P365 is about as close as I've come to what I want that's easily pocket-able. With the 12 round mag I can get a full grip and 2x the ammo of the J-frame. Excellent sights too. But it's a striker.
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...I'm sure CZ at some point will offer a pocket baby in the P10 line but I seriously doubt we'll see one with a hammer.
Unfortunately, I think this is true.
I do think a slim, metal, single stack 9mm DA/SA that sits somewhere between 'pocket pistol' size and 'compact' size, say with a 3.2"-3.4" barrel that is 25oz or less would be the bee's knees. Currently the Sig P225A-1 is the only option I know that comes close to what I'm describing, but it's still a bit too heavy, imo.
But yeah, I'm not holding my breath. I've been told me tastes may not reflect the mainstream.... 8)
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A DA/SA "single stack" 9 from CZ would be excellent! I am not a fan of the xd line a all, but LTT has not worked magic on the xde and it is supposed to be excellent. That could be an option, but I just don't like the xde.
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...I'm sure CZ at some point will offer a pocket baby in the P10 line but I seriously doubt we'll see one with a hammer.
Unfortunately, I think this is true.
I do think a slim, metal, single stack 9mm DA/SA that sits somewhere between 'pocket pistol' size and 'compact' size, say with a 3.2"-3.4" barrel that is 25oz or less would be the bee's knees. Currently the Sig P225A-1 is the only option I know that comes close to what I'm describing, but it's still a bit too heavy, imo.
But yeah, I'm not holding my breath. I've been told me tastes may not reflect the mainstream.... 8)
You can still find these sweet S&W 3913's 8+1 <$400. Very reliable DA/SA pistols. 25oz - 3.5" barrel. Smooth short reset SA trigger. But as SVPP said, a RAMI or PCR has more capacity in similar size, but not as thin as the single-stack 3913.
Here's my 3913 NL with the handsome tapered dust cover.
(https://i.imgur.com/g2X4pJz.jpg?1)
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How about a sub-compact version of the P-07? The P-07&09 have proven to be superb DA/SA firearms in terms of accuracy, reliability and durability.
The P-07's Omega trigger allows either SA cocked-locked or DA/SA decocked.
Lop maybe 1/2-3/4" off grip height to 12 rounds. Maybe 1/2" off barrel length to 3-1/4". Maybe get weight down to low 20oz's. ??
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I’ll play along.
How about a true .22lr target pistol to compete with Ruger Mark IV, Smith and Wesson victory, etc.
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How about a sub-compact version of the P-07? The P-07&09 have proven to be superb DA/SA firearms in terms of accuracy, reliability and durability.
The P-07's Omega trigger allows either SA cocked-locked or DA/SA decocked.
Lop maybe 1/2-3/4" off grip height to 12 rounds. Maybe 1/2" off barrel length to 3-1/4". Maybe get weight down to low 20oz's. ??
This idea has been floated in many threads but CZ has been quiet on the issue. Those dimensions still wouldn't really make for a practical pocket sized gun,you'd just have a mini P-07 the size of the Rami.
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How about a true .22lr target pistol to compete with Ruger Mark IV, Smith and Wesson victory, etc.
I'll have to disagree with you there
If you put a KADET Upper on the right Frame, a KADET can, and will, out-shoot a LOT of those "Dedicated" 22 Target Jobs out there
Just ask JoeL; how well a KADET can shoot !
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How about a sub-compact version of the P-07? The P-07&09 have proven to be superb DA/SA firearms in terms of accuracy, reliability and durability.
The P-07's Omega trigger allows either SA cocked-locked or DA/SA decocked.
Lop maybe 1/2-3/4" off grip height to 12 rounds. Maybe 1/2" off barrel length to 3-1/4". Maybe get weight down to low 20oz's. ??
This idea has been floated in many threads but CZ has been quiet on the issue. Those dimensions still wouldn't really make for a practical pocket sized gun,you'd just have a mini P-07 the size of the Rami.
You're right; I would personally like a CZ Micro-9 sized (pocketable) DA/SA. The chance of it happening is probably zilch.
However, for the same reason CZ makes several CZ-75 compact variants as well as the P-07, others have mentioned a sub-compact sized P-07, perhaps taking the same 12 round mags as the P-10S. Interchangeable like the P-10C mags retro-fit the P-07. The chance of it happening.....zilch+
A micro-9 sized P-10.....maybe. I guess we'll see once the new factory is on-line.
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How about a sub-compact version of the P-07? The P-07&09 have proven to be superb DA/SA firearms in terms of accuracy, reliability and durability.
The P-07's Omega trigger allows either SA cocked-locked or DA/SA decocked.
Lop maybe 1/2-3/4" off grip height to 12 rounds. Maybe 1/2" off barrel length to 3-1/4". Maybe get weight down to low 20oz's. ??
This idea has been floated in many threads but CZ has been quiet on the issue. Those dimensions still wouldn't really make for a practical pocket sized gun,you'd just have a mini P-07 the size of the Rami.
You're right; I would personally like a CZ Micro-9 sized (pocketable) DA/SA. The chance of it happening is probably zilch.
However, for the same reason CZ makes several CZ-75 compact variants as well as the P-07, others have mentioned a sub-compact sized P-07, perhaps taking the same 12 round mags as the P-10S. Interchangeable like the P-10C mags retro-fit the P-07. The chance of it happening.....zilch+
A micro-9 sized P-10.....maybe. I guess we'll see once the new factory is on-line.
Didn't you have a Sig P365? Whats wrong with that? Also the Sig P938 is certainly a pocket worthy gun but reliability is very hit and miss with those. Ask me how I know!
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I'm another warm climate pocket carrier and my RAMI just didn't fill the niche that my P365 fills. i'd love to see CZ offer something in the micro 9 category, though I've been very happy with my Sig. it's reliable, discrete, and 9mm.
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How about a sub-compact version of the P-07? The P-07&09 have proven to be superb DA/SA firearms in terms of accuracy, reliability and durability.
The P-07's Omega trigger allows either SA cocked-locked or DA/SA decocked.
Lop maybe 1/2-3/4" off grip height to 12 rounds. Maybe 1/2" off barrel length to 3-1/4". Maybe get weight down to low 20oz's. ??
This idea has been floated in many threads but CZ has been quiet on the issue. Those dimensions still wouldn't really make for a practical pocket sized gun,you'd just have a mini P-07 the size of the Rami.
You're right; I would personally like a CZ Micro-9 sized (pocketable) DA/SA. The chance of it happening is probably zilch.
However, for the same reason CZ makes several CZ-75 compact variants as well as the P-07, others have mentioned a sub-compact sized P-07, perhaps taking the same 12 round mags as the P-10S. Interchangeable like the P-10C mags retro-fit the P-07. The chance of it happening.....zilch+
A micro-9 sized P-10.....maybe. I guess we'll see once the new factory is on-line.
Didn't you have a Sig P365? Whats wrong with that? Also the Sig P938 is certainly a pocket worthy gun but reliability is very hit and miss with those. Ask me how I know!
Yes, I have a SIG P365 and after a rocky start, now 3000+ in it has proven to be very reliable, accurate and is the size and capacity I like for a pocket pistol. I'm getting trigger-pull measurements with my Lyman around 5-1/2 to 5-3/4 lbs. It's easy to shoot quickly, maybe too easy, for a pocket gun. I would just feel a bit more comfortable with a DA 1st pull. It's replacing my DAO SIG 290rs which is at the other end of the spectrum. Looonng firm pull, loong reset. Honestly, I prefer that over a hare trigger, but I like the extra capacity of the P365. They fit the same Desantis Super-fly pocket holster. I'm thinking someone might offer a firmer trigger or striker spring for the P365. About 7-8lbs would be OK. I don't want an additional manual safety. Just DA weight pull for pocket safety.
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Yes, the little Sig P290RS would be SO much better if it were DA/SA!
And if CZ managed to make something that small with a hammer in SA/DA - I’d be ALL over it. But for now, I just keep practicing with the baby Sig.
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I've always wondered why there aren't more "simulated" DA/SA striker action guns like the P99AS: a striker you can fully decock for a heavier and longer first trigger pull. A P99AS striker in a micro single-stack 9mm would be almost as good as a TDA hammer fired gun.
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I've always wondered why there aren't more "simulated" DA/SA striker action guns like the P99AS: a striker you can fully decock for a heavier and longer first trigger pull. A P99AS striker in a micro single-stack 9mm would be almost as good as a TDA hammer fired gun.
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Good question. It would be especially beneficial on a pocket-sized gun.
I suspect there may be patent protections that limit copying specific designs.
KAHR uses a modified striker system that is only partially cocked. Their PM9 (or CM9) is the perfect pocket size, but the 6 or 7rnd extended capacity just doesn't measure up to the SIG P365's capacity.
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For a DA/SA striker decocker, Canik has the TP9DA model. It's about the same size as the P10C, not an easy pistol for pocket carry.
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For a DA/SA striker decocker, Canik has the TP9DA model. It's about the same size as the P10C, not an easy pistol for pocket carry.
As long as your State allows legal Open Carry, I think you'd be good to go with that TP9DA hang'in out. O0
There are only a few Sub-compact, and NO micro-9 Traditional DA/SA decockers that I know of. And I believe only the SIG P365 and the soon to arrive SA Hellcat are micro-sized with 10 or more capacity.
For reference: The KAHR PM9 is 4" tall x 5.3" long x .91 wide (with 6rnd mag) SIG P365 at 4.3"tall, 5.8" long and 1.0" wide, Hellcat will be 4" tall x 6" long x 1" wide.
As BStill suggested, even a 'modified' striker design that gives you a 1st round DA with SA follow-ups would maybe work. The KAHR PM9 design comes close but it's really classified as a DAO, but if it had a modified double stack like the SIG P365 with 10+1 I think it would be a winner!
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Yes, the little Sig P290RS would be SO much better if it were DA/SA!
And if CZ managed to make something that small with a hammer in SA/DA - I’d be ALL over it. But for now, I just keep practicing with the baby Sig.
Yes you're so right, the little SIG 290rs was very close. IMHO perfect size for pocket carry. SIG made the effort to give it a bobbed hammer and re-strike capability. If only they had taken the extra step to go DA/SA so it would go into SA mode after the first DA round!! The DAO trigger with it's very long pull and reset is a challenge to shoot quickly and accurately. I often start a practice session with this baby; so everything else is easy-peasy!
(https://i.imgur.com/44MJW1x.jpg?1)
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These parts from Galloway Precision made a HUGE difference in the baby Sig.
Night and day difference.
The trigger pull and reset is approx 50% better than stock. Still not to a point where anybody would call it “perfect”, but very workable. There is still no “wall” to feel with the trigger. You just commit to the pull of the trigger and keep going until you feel the recoil in one single fluid motion.
GP-1116-BLK Antioch Curved Trigger for Sig Sauer P290RS Pistols
GP-1103 Performance Spring Set for Sig P290 P290RS Pistols
GP-TIK Trigger Install Kit
GP-1102 22 lb Recoil Spring Set for Sig P290 and P290RS Pistols
GP-1101 Stainless Steel Guide Rod for Sig P290 P290RS Pistols
These parts have helped me ring steel with this thing at ridiculous distances, and produce pretty good groups at normal distances. I carry this weapon whenever a deep concealment is desired.
If CZ ever makes one this small with a hammer - I’ll buy it. Right now my P-01 and P-07 are in concealed carry rotation. Both are awesome, and I shoot them well. A Rami might be slightly smaller, but the length isn’t my problem with concealment. It’s height with full-size grip that hangs out like a flag. I will look at P-10S just for grins, but I’m not going to conceal carry a striker fire in appendix position.
C’mon CZ - fill that gap in your lineup!
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This might sound kind of weird, but I think CZ is missing color options! I wish every existing model had multiple factory color options rather than just plain old black
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This might sound kind of weird, but I think CZ is missing color options! I wish every existing model had multiple factory color options rather than just plain old black
Not sure just how well even the OD Green models sold/sell
Even the ones that came with the matching Knives
Since there are a ton of places out there that can "coat" your Pistol to whatever color you can imagine, CZ may not see the added cost is worth it
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This might sound kind of weird, but I think CZ is missing color options! I wish every existing model had multiple factory color options rather than just plain old black
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I'm quite secure in my manhood and I'd drive a hot pink 59 Eldorado in a heartbeat but a pink CZ75??? I gotta draw the line at that.
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This might sound kind of weird, but I think CZ is missing color options! I wish every existing model had multiple factory color options rather than just plain old black
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I'm quite secure in my manhood and I'd drive a hot pink 59 Eldorado in a heartbeat but a pink CZ75??? I gotta draw the line at that.
You know it's funny you say that, my SP-01 is black but all the lettering and the top of the slide is actually pink
The grips on my SP-01 are also white with pink accents
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I'm quite secure in my manhood and I'd drive a hot pink 59 Eldorado in a heartbeat but a pink CZ75??? I gotta draw the line at that.
Usta'be, the joke was; You have to be able to bench press 300lbs+ or know Kung fu to drive for Mary Kay ;)
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You know what a real man shoots?
Whatever the #$&% he wants. ;)
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These parts from Galloway Precision made a HUGE difference in the baby Sig.
Night and day difference.
The trigger pull and reset is approx 50% better than stock. Still not to a point where anybody would call it “perfect”, but very workable. There is still no “wall” to feel with the trigger. You just commit to the pull of the trigger and keep going until you feel the recoil in one single fluid motion.
GP-1116-BLK Antioch Curved Trigger for Sig Sauer P290RS Pistols
GP-1103 Performance Spring Set for Sig P290 P290RS Pistols
GP-TIK Trigger Install Kit
GP-1102 22 lb Recoil Spring Set for Sig P290 and P290RS Pistols
GP-1101 Stainless Steel Guide Rod for Sig P290 P290RS Pistols
These parts have helped me ring steel with this thing at ridiculous distances, and produce pretty good groups at normal distances. I carry this weapon whenever a deep concealment is desired.
If CZ ever makes one this small with a hammer - I’ll buy it. Right now my P-01 and P-07 are in concealed carry rotation. Both are awesome, and I shoot them well. A Rami might be slightly smaller, but the length isn’t my problem with concealment. It’s height with full-size grip that hangs out like a flag. I will look at P-10S just for grins, but I’m not going to conceal carry a striker fire in appendix position.
C’mon CZ - fill that gap in your lineup!
Yeah, I'm with you. Just not comfortable with anything less than a DA trigger near my family jewels. ::)
Thanks for the suggestions to improve my SIG 290rs. I'm used to a DA J-frame revolver, and the little SIG pocket carries so well, it could just use a little improvement especially in a shorter reset.
BTW, the fast cycle of the 290rs short barrel took it's toll on several Sig-lite nite sights. After the 3rd warranty replacement SIG sent me a set of the much-improved X-Ray 3 sights. (They had the same issue with the P-365 and quickly switched to the more durable X-Ray-3's). The new sights are Wayyyy better! Yeah, my P365 is a great gun but I still feel more comfy with the 'lil 290rs's long DA. Yup, you gotta just pull the trigger smoothly right thru.
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....and my front sight died again also!
I will have to try the X-Rays.
I can’t send it in for another warranty set with all the aftermarket trigger stuff now.
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....and my front sight died again also!
I will have to try the X-Rays.
I can’t send it in for another warranty set with all the aftermarket trigger stuff now.
I just sent SIG CS an image of the dead front sight; and after I asked if I could switch to the X-Ray-3 front site they agreed to just send me both front&back set which I mounted myself. Otherwise, they can cost like $150. I've got a few SIG's and they've been very fair to deal with.
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CZ Compact (4" barrel) single stack (10+1) Shadow.
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I’ll play along.
How about a true .22lr target pistol to compete with Ruger Mark IV, Smith and Wesson victory, etc.
S&W victory ?? Go over on the S&W forum and search victory, more trouble than it's worth.🤪
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Mine has been great. Maybe I Got lucky.
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This thread started as CZ missing a micro-9 from their line-up. Preferably a hammer-fired DA/SA micro-9.
How did we get to Pink trucks and full-size 22 pistols?? ::)
Is ANYONE interested in a micro-9 CCW from CZ??
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This thread started as CZ missing a micro-9 from their line-up. Preferably a hammer-fired DA/SA micro-9.
How did we get to Pink trucks and full-size 22 pistols?? ::)
Is ANYONE interested in a micro-9 CCW from CZ??
ME!!!
As long as it has a hammer.
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This thread started as CZ missing a micro-9 from their line-up. Preferably a hammer-fired DA/SA micro-9.
How did we get to Pink trucks and full-size 22 pistols?? ::)
Is ANYONE interested in a micro-9 CCW from CZ??
ME!!!
As long as it has a hammer.
CZ, Are you Listening??
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Is ANYONE interested in a micro-9 CCW from CZ??
ME!!!
As long as it has a hammer.
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/jzpLjAx4pAsP6/giphy.gif)
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Is ANYONE interested in a micro-9 CCW from CZ??
ME!!!
As long as it has a hammer.
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/jzpLjAx4pAsP6/giphy.gif)
and preferably an alloy frame vice polymer.
i.e., a micro-Rami
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Is ANYONE interested in a micro-9 CCW from CZ??
ME!!!
As long as it has a hammer.
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/jzpLjAx4pAsP6/giphy.gif)
and preferably an alloy frame vice polymer.
i.e., a micro-Rami
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+1 How perfect that would be!!
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Is ANYONE interested in a micro-9 CCW from CZ??
ME!!!
As long as it has a hammer.
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/jzpLjAx4pAsP6/giphy.gif)
and preferably an alloy frame vice polymer.
i.e., a micro-Rami
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+1 How perfect that would be!!
micro 45 ACP ?
How small do you want it ?
how about this one ?
https://miniaturearmy.com/products/2mm-colt
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In my mind it's going to be a fete to come up with something significantly smaller than a RAMI and not go to a single stack design? Kinda like the Glock 42 and 43, they're true pocket pistols. My personal hot weather rig is a Kimber Micro .380 in a Holster Store Pro HD IWB, again she's a single stack and only 6 rounds at that. If you can get comfortable with condition 1 the little Kimber or the other mini 1911 looking options from Sig, Colt or Springfield are worth a look. I realize these may not offer the fire power most of you are looking for. I like to have something that vanishes for going on walks with my 10 year old daughter in the neighborhood or out dinner in "nicer" areas.
...I do prefer the design of the Rami BD (if I'm wearing more than a T-shirt and can cover her that's what I carry). I'd probably bite on a single stack shrunken version. Decockers are way cool :-)
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In my mind it's going to be a fete to come up with something significantly smaller than a RAMI and not go to a single stack design? Kinda like the Glock 42 and 43, they're true pocket pistols. My personal hot weather rig is a Kimber Micro .380 in a Holster Store Pro HD IWB, again she's a single stack and only 6 rounds at that. If you can get comfortable with condition 1 the little Kimber or the other mini 1911 looking options from Sig, Colt or Springfield are worth a look. I realize these may not offer the fire power most of you are looking for. I like to have something that vanishes for going on walks with my 10 year old daughter in the neighborhood or out dinner in "nicer" areas.
...I do prefer the design of the Rami BD (if I'm wearing more than a T-shirt and can cover her that's what I carry). I'd probably bite on a single stack shrunken version. Decockers are way cool :-)
Clearly, SIG has proven with their P365 and now SA with their Hellcat....There is a way to get 10+ in a short magazine, overall pistol height around 4" and still keep the overall width around 1 inch, without sacrificing reliability. I've fed over 3000 rounds of every type of ammo thru my P365 without a single hiccup.
However, the challenge seems to be squeezing a DA/SA works into this neat micro-9 package. Sure, I'd like it to be hammer-fired and all-metal too. I wouldn't be opposed to polymer, but I'd still like the hammer and decocker. The SIG 290rs hammer-fired pictured in Post #19 above IMHO is very close. It's 3.9" high and .91 wide 5.8" OA-length. Or for that matter the S&W CS9 pictured in Post #1
Add a P-365-ish 1-1/2 stack magazine, RAMI-ish decocker, and make it go SA after the 1st round. CZ has some very smart engineers. If there's a will, there's gotta be a way!
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Add a P-365-ish 1-1/2 stack magazine, RAMI-ish decocker, and make it go SA after the 1st round. CZ has some very smart engineers. If there's a will, there's gotta be a way!
THIS! ^
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I'd love to see a P-07 designed similarly to a Glock 43x and Glock 43. Have it single stack, sub compact barrel/slide, no rail or a propriety skinny rail like the P365, night sights, dehorned, bobbed hammer and have it available in compact and subcompact grip lengths. Like I love the 43X but I just prefer DA/SA for carry generally since I do appendix. I'd like to see this first before a P10 version since the market is already crowded in striker fired single stacks.
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I'd love to see a P-07 designed similarly to a Glock 43x and Glock 43. Have it single stack, sub compact barrel/slide, no rail or a propriety skinny rail like the P365, night sights, dehorned, bobbed hammer and have it available in compact and subcompact grip lengths. Like I love the 43X but I just prefer DA/SA for carry generally since I do appendix. I'd like to see this first before a P10 version since the market is already crowded in striker fired single stacks.
I can't do the tacticool appendix carry, tried it very uncomfortable especially sitting down. Plus I prefer carrying full size pistol , and do so at the three oclock position owb, very comfortable in a leather holster. JMHO
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I'd love to see a P-07 designed similarly to a Glock 43x and Glock 43. Have it single stack, sub compact barrel/slide, no rail or a propriety skinny rail like the P365, night sights, dehorned, bobbed hammer and have it available in compact and subcompact grip lengths. Like I love the 43X but I just prefer DA/SA for carry generally since I do appendix. I'd like to see this first before a P10 version since the market is already crowded in striker fired single stacks.
I can't do the tacticool appendix carry, tried it very uncomfortable especially sitting down. Plus I prefer carrying full size pistol , and do so at the three oclock position owb, very comfortable in a leather holster. JMHO
For me (for whatever reason), it's more comfy when seated. I pull my pants up high when I do. I might try OWB with an overgarment in the winter months for fun (with hopefully a full size 75B Omega).
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If they could single stack a rami I’d buy at least 2.
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I’d love to see CZ produce a compact 97B in stainless with a 10mm option. Or, a sub-compact P07.
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I’d love to see CZ produce a compact 97B in stainless with a 10mm option. Or, a sub-compact P07.
+1 Many of us have been asking for a sub-compact P-07 and now that there's a striker P-10s...... an Omega DA/SA P-07 's' would give the option of CCW cocked&locked SA or decocked DA/SA. It could use the same P-10s 12 round mags (like the pre-US P-10C mags are backwards compatible with P-07).
Maybe when the new Arkansas CZ factory is on-line and caught up we'll get a P-07S and a micro-9 too. ;D
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Subcompact are too small for my large hand.
I had an XD mod 2 subcompact. Sold it for a po7.
If you want a sub compact get a sub compact and just carry more magazines, always at least two. I have an S&W 45 Compact 7 + 1, I carry two extra mags 👍
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I’d love to see CZ produce a compact 97B in stainless with a 10mm option. Or, a sub-compact P07.
+1 Many of us have been asking for a sub-compact P-07 and now that there's a striker P-10s...... an Omega DA/SA P-07 's' would give the option of CCW cocked&locked SA or decocked DA/SA. It could use the same P-10s 12 round mags (like the pre-US P-10C mags are backwards compatible with P-07).
Maybe when the new Arkansas CZ factory is on-line and caught up we'll get a P-07S and a micro-9 too. ;D
That’s my hope as well. The P10S mags have P07 notches in them, so there is hope, right?
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there are some (not many) other DA/SA options already available in the double-stack sub-compact category (10-12 rounds). the bigger void of DA/SA products is in the micro 9mm single-stack category (6-8 rounds). that's the category that CZ would seem to be well-suited to fill that void.
unless there is something about the CZ design that poses a significant engineering challenge to develop/adapt it to a thinner single-stack frame?
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there are some (not many) other DA/SA options already available in the double-stack sub-compact category (10-12 rounds). the bigger void of DA/SA products is in the micro 9mm single-stack category (6-8 rounds). that's the category that CZ would seem to be well-suited to fill that void.
unless there is something about the CZ design that poses a significant engineering challenge to develop/adapt it to a thinner single-stack frame?
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Agreed. I already have several sub-compact DA/SA including a RAMI BD, but just too big for deep concealment IMO.
A CZ hammer-fired DA/SA Micro-9 is my vote for sure. A a BIG void in the market.
I'm thinking the DA/SA Omega trigger design with single trigger bar (like P-07) might be better suited to a narrower grip. Having the option of SA cocked-locked or decocked DA 1st round would cover two popular (and safe) carry methods.
In either case, a '1-1/2 stack' like the P-365 might get us closer to the magic 10 rounds in the same ~4" height 'micro-9' dimensions and ~1" grip width. Maybe 8 rounds at 4" high, with a full-grip+2 mag to get to 10.