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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ Polymer Pistols: P10, P-07, P-09 => Topic started by: PCTShoe on January 09, 2020, 05:23:43 PM
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I just got my first p-10 today and after stripping it down, I noticed the ejector might be bent. I've seen this issue in the past while I was researching this gun. The gen 1's might have had over insertion problems? It appears to be pushed up like a ski jump. Anyhow, I wanted to upload some pics to see if you guys think this is how the part comes normally, or it was bent from the factory. Thanks.
Holy crap. I have to resize these pics. Be right back
(https://i.imgur.com/somJywP.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/I7Ymr82.jpg)
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Have you actually fired the gun yet? If not go shoot it and report back on how it operates. There have been some issues with early guns but I don't recall anyone complaining about ejector issues. If you take the time to research tuning you'll find ejectors can to bent or machined to configurations which give a desired and reliable ejection pattern.
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Here’s my P10F...
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200109/211e6bd2949aec2c28664bbe3a227356.jpg)
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Have you actually fired the gun yet? If not go shoot it and report back on how it operates. There have been some issues with early guns but I don't recall anyone complaining about ejector issues. If you take the time to research tuning you'll find ejectors can to bent or machined to configurations which give a desired and reliable ejection pattern.
I haven't shot it yet. Just wondered if I should be calling cz to get a replacement. The slide stop bar makes contact with it with a magazine inserted. I figured I could file a notch in the bar to keep this from getting worse or ever happening in the first place.
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Here’s my P10F (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200109/211e6bd2949aec2c28664bbe3a227356.jpg)
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Yours looks straight. I think mine got mangled before I received it. Thanks for the pic. I googled pics of the parts but couldn't find any.
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When reassembling the slide on the frame, does the slide clear the ejector? If so, it’s probably fine. But if the slide hangs up on the ejector its probably bent. You can get a new part from CZ-USA that has the ejector ($35?). But if it came that way from the factory I would contact CZ-USA.
I bent mine by over-inserting a P09 mag in a P10C with the slide locked back. It probably got bent from slamming it in there too hard or too many times. Was able to bend it back, but I did look into getting a new part from CZ-USA if mine was too buggered to be fixed.
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Have you actually fired the gun yet? If not go shoot it and report back on how it operates. There have been some issues with early guns but I don't recall anyone complaining about ejector issues. If you take the time to research tuning you'll find ejectors can to bent or machined to configurations which give a desired and reliable ejection pattern.
I haven't shot it yet. Just wondered if I should be calling cz to get a replacement. The slide stop bar makes contact with it with a magazine inserted. I figured I could file a notch in the bar to keep this from getting worse or ever happening in the first place.
If the gun is new I wouldn't file anything yet.See how it operates and if there's a problem CZ will take care of you.
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I have the exact same issue with a new purchase. I did fire the gun and it is experiencing a great deal of malfunctions. This is my second P10-c and my first has bee flawless. I've already called CZ and sent 2 emails. Anyone know how long they take to get back to you?
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I bent the ejector up on my gen1 ambi-mag release P-10C (above) with aggressive slide-lock reloads. The top should be dead flat. I tapped it back down with a hammer. On my reversible mag release P-10F, the ejector broke off completely (circled) mid-match.
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Well it is unfortunate that this is actually an issue with these guns. CZ better get the rest of the bugs worked out sooner rather than later if they want this line to flourish. I'll be sticking with my hammer fired CZ's.
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I bent the ejector up on my gen1 ambi-mag release P-10C (above) with aggressive slide-lock reloads. The top should be dead flat. I tapped it back down with a hammer. On my reversible mag release P-10F, the ejector broke off completely (circled) mid-match.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-y5ISxT2T5UA/Xc8M3c9vNQI/AAAAAAAADt8/Jkk5atcaFokJyV6Kg97TWv90nZSWK24pwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/IMG_3797.JPG)
It was because of your blog that I looked at the ejector during my initial inspection. I see that the slide release bar contacts it where the bend starts. I'm thinking that if a small notch is filed into the bar, the ejector won't bend as easy. Who knows what other problems might arise from that mod though. I've sent an email to CZ about the issue but haven't heard back yet.
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It was because of your blog that I looked at the ejector during my initial inspection. I see that the slide release bar contacts it where the bend starts. I'm thinking that if a small notch is filed into the bar, the ejector won't bend as easy. Who knows what other problems might arise from that mod though. I've sent an email to CZ about the issue but haven't heard back yet.
Sent an email Tuesday without a response. Called yesterday to be sure they received it. I was told they are working it. I had a problem with my Gen 1 P10 c. The slide catch spring was protruding and in one day a new frame insert was on the way. Are they understaffed now?
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Although not as severe my P10s appears to have a bit of the same angle. This gun has ~800 rounds through it will 0 failures.
Just go shoot it, it's probably fine.
(https://i.imgur.com/3p7AO1z.jpg)
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I just got my first p-10 today and after stripping it down, I noticed the ejector might be bent. I've seen this issue in the past while I was researching this gun. The gen 1's might have had over insertion problems? It appears to be pushed up like a ski jump. Anyhow, I wanted to upload some pics to see if you guys think this is how the part comes normally, or it was bent from the factory. Thanks.
Holy crap. I have to resize these pics. Be right back
(https://i.imgur.com/somJywP.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/I7Ymr82.jpg)
I just looked at my P10c (just purchased new) the angle of my ejector looks obviously bent, very similar to the picture above. Only have about 300 rounds through it so far, but no issues yet. Definitely something to keep an eye on.
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I'm thinking they have a bad batch of rear inserts out there. The ejector is noticeably bent upward compared to my Gen 1.
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I have gen 1.5 SR model and my ejector is ramping upwards too. I fired 200 rds thru it but I wasn’t looking at the ejection pattern either.
(https://i.imgur.com/xPxEBka.jpg)
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OP here.
I called in to CZ and the rep thinks it was bent after showing him the pics. I also noticed a gouge in the slide that seems to be from the ejector being forced upwards into it. He sent me a form to return it. I'll update this post with pics when the new one arrives.
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Are we sure it’s not a design change due to the previous contact with rounds being loaded. I have one of the first gen’s and it’s straight as can be.
I ordered an extra rear insert a year ago or so and it came with the “upswept” ejector. I too thought it was odd. Either it was meant to be that way or I got a defect straight from the motherland.
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Are we sure it’s not a design change due to the previous contact with rounds being loaded. I have one of the first gen’s and it’s straight as can be.
I ordered an extra rear insert a year ago or so and it came with the “upswept” ejector. I too thought it was odd. Either it was meant to be that way or I got a defect straight from the motherland.
Mine was sent to CZ last week for a look. I'll post up the results when I find out.
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Perfect !
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Do we have an update on this ?
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Do we have an update on this ?
At CZ for 2 weeks now and they haven't looked at it yet. They have told me it will be 4-6 week turn around for repairs. A nice thing about CZ service is that they send you an email update once a week to let you know the status of your repair.
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Interesting thread, I just looked at mine and it is bent, I think? Unless it’s supposed to be that way? This is after more than 10k rounds (I stopped counting). Haven’t had any failures to eject, every once in awhile I’ve had a casing come up and trickle over my head, but I think that usually happens late in the day after 500+ rounds and my grip begins to slack? Idk.
(https://i.imgur.com/Txu5TKa.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/GRi8F8X.jpg)
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I replaced mine after it snapped off mid-match. The top of the replacement is perfectly flat. I filed off the lower portion of the leg that was contacting the top round and feed lip. Since the front face is angled and longest at the top, removing the bottom half doesn't change the contact point of the ejector leg with the brass, so ejection remains the same. It's no thinner than the narrowest part near the base so it isn't any weaker or more prone to snapping/bending. Factory is on the left. I did this back in November and the leg is still straight.
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/p960x960/76757010_2994874390541237_3729916515160424448_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ohc=NzcVCzSFU0wAX9BX46U&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&_nc_tp=6&oh=cc85d857db88f8dd5f40c6b1bbb3b190&oe=5ED33499)
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I replaced mine after it snapped off mid-match. The top of the replacement is perfectly flat. I filed off the lower portion of the leg that was contacting the top round and feed lip. Since the front face is angled and longest at the top, removing the bottom half doesn't change the contact point of the ejector leg with the brass, so ejection remains the same. It's no thinner than the narrowest part near the base so it isn't any weaker or more prone to snapping/bending. Factory is on the left. I did this back in November and the leg is still straight.
Thank you for the clarification, and the photos. Soo what now, I feel like after already being bent it’s been weakened, is it worth bending mine back and do a little filing or just get a new one?
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Update on this ?
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My ejector looks like it's bent, too. I've got about 1,600 rounds through this P10-C so far.
It will no longer auto-forward, possibly because of the bend. I don't feel I've abused the gun, but like Earlan357 I did recognize a need to insert mags with authority to get the slide to release.
(https://i.imgur.com/NDLCK41l.jpg?2)
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I was hoping for a design change explanation. But that’s not normal.
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For data (plural of anecdote O0), my P10F Suppressor came factory with the "bent" ejector. 550 rounds and ejection has never been an issue: the brass end up pretty much in the same place every shot. The rim of the top round touches the inside of the ejector.
(https://i.imgur.com/NDLCK41l.jpg?2)
If you look at the mold marks, I'm not sure this bend isn't intentional. I checked mine out when I first got it and I didn't see any stress marks or cracks at the bend. They may just have two different molds running or have a ton of stockpiled intermingled parts. I'm pretty sure CZ plays loosey-goosey with inventory control on revisions.
The replacement flat unit earlan357 got could have been rev1. Or rev2. ¯\_(?)_/¯
It's probably fine. I imagine earlan357 runs his gun harder than most of us and unless yours has broken off, I'd leave well enough alone. I definitely woudn't bend a "bent" one straight, no clue what the fatigue limit or hardness of the part is supposed to be. File off the bottom if you're really worried.
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Pic of mine. Was slightly bent out of the box. Looks to be a little more bent after ~3.5K rounds. Ordered a spare this morning. Will compare when it gets here.
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I've been trying to find anything common between your cases...
Has anyone checked (whoever got bent ejector) if your magazine does touch the ejector? Perhaps this bend is caused when you smack magazine too hard?
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I've been trying to find anything common between your cases...
Has anyone checked (whoever got bent ejector) if your magazine does touch the ejector? Perhaps this bend is caused when you smack magazine too hard?
I do think it has to be related to use; like I said, mine used to auto-forward, now it won't. While I was speaking with CZ on another matter this week I mentioned my ejector and they offered to send a new one, which they did (thanks, CZ!). Here's a closeup of the new one:
(https://i.imgur.com/0kobN1Ul.jpg?1)
I'd call it . . . wavy, not bent. Maybe having the ejector perfectly straight is not necessary for function (except possibly for the auto-forward action which I don't believe was ever called out by CZ as a feature). The old and new part look identical other than the mold numbers on it. I can get a pic of the magazine/ejector interface when I reassemble things, but Earlan357 mentioned the top round does contact it.
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Here is a photo of the mag inserted, I tried both the original 15 round and also with the extended baseplate, neither came close to contacting the ejector, even when I pushed up on it:
(https://i.imgur.com/Tc8hAtQl.jpg)
What does contact the ejector is the top round, and I guess a full mag would make a solid impact, especially given a good whack.
(https://i.imgur.com/0kYOtMnl.jpg)
The design of the ejector is fine, as long as it doesn't get hit from the side, but that's what is happening to it (from the bottom) when you ram a fresh mag in. Actually, it continues to work after it has bent up, the only difference I've noticed is my auto-forward seemed to no longer be there, and that wasn't an advertised feature. So maybe this should be considered a non-issue?
Now that I've replaced the part, I'm going to treat it nicer and see if it treats me nicer!
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Any updates? I'm curious to hear what CZ had to say, if anything.
I received my new ejector from CZ a while back and it is straight. I'm going to modify the new ejector so it no longer makes contact like @earlan357 did. I want to be able to count on this pistol but this issue has to be addressed even if there are few reported breaks.
This seems like a good opportunity for a company like Cajun Gun Works to offer a reliability solution.
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I swapped out my bent searblock/ejector. I'm not thrilled that CZ engineered the ejector as part of the sear block but it is what it is. The old ejector made contact with the top round in the mag when seated aggressively which most likely why it bent. I checked this by seating the mag until the base plate was in contact with the grip frame. I then attempted to insert feeler gauges between the round and the ejector. No gauges fit between the top round and the ejector and I could see a slight movement of the top round when pressing the mag fully in.
Today I replaced the sear block/ejector with a new part that I ordered from CZ last month. All markings on the two parts are identicle. The part was relatively simple to swap.
The new ejector makes no contact with the top round when the mag base plate is fully flush with the grip frame. It does have a very slight bend that seems to be molded into the part but it is not as aggressively bent as the old part. Obviously there are some manufacturing tolerances at work here. I was able to fit a 0.0015 feeler gauge between the top round and the ejector. It's not much but there is no way to get the mag in any further so with this mag at least I am good to go. I'll check it with some other mags to see if additional mag tolerances come into play.
Below is the old bent ejector. Notice some very slight finish wear at the bottom edge. This is where the contact takes place. It looks like it would be very easy to relieve this spot with a stone to add clearance if necessary. You can't see in this pic but the profile of the face is radiused to fit around the top casing in the mag.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200604/c16c4c56cd92363aa2a4bfc98665412c.jpg)
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I relieve the underside of the ejector and now have 0.010" clearance.
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Well after 200 rounds theres a lot of brass on the bottom of the ejector. Hopefully not enough contact to bend it. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200615/a49530b17141dec2ef632501a3e6f735.jpg)
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Mine is a 2018 Czech version. The ejector (#5, insert, rear) was slightly bent from the factory. Has been working perfectly for the first 200 rounds, with automatic forward.
It seems to me the slightly upward or the ejector is what causes the auto-forward. As seen here in the photo, when the magazine with bullet(s) is loaded, it bumped the ejector. Then the ejector bumped the slide, causing the slide to move slightly upward, hence disengage from the slide stop (#6) and move forward.
If the ejector (#5) is completely flat, I imagine it will take more force to insert the magazine, in order for the pistol to perform the action. I suppose we wouldn't need to worry much about breaking the ejector (#5), as it wouldn't bend any further after hitting the slide by design. Only when it's being flatten purposely (unfortunately probably also unnecessarily), can the stress causes it to break off.
As usual, any opinion or corrections are welcomed.
let me try to upload some photos when I figure the logistics out...
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Mine is a 2018 Czech version. The ejector (#5, insert, rear) was slightly bent from the factory. Has been working perfectly for the first 200 rounds, with automatic forward.
It seems to me the slightly upward or the ejector is what causes the auto-forward. As seen here in the photo, when the magazine with bullet(s) is loaded, it bumped the ejector. Then the ejector bumped the slide, causing the slide to move slightly upward, hence disengage from the slide stop (#6) and move forward.
If the ejector (#5) is completely flat, I imagine it will take more force to insert the magazine, in order for the pistol to perform the action. I suppose we wouldn't need to worry much about breaking the ejector (#5), as it wouldn't bend any further after hitting the slide by design. Only when it's being flatten purposely (unfortunately probably also unnecessarily), can the stress causes it to break off.
As usual, any opinion or corrections are welcomed.
let me try to upload some photos when I figure the logistics out...
My Gen 1 P10 c has a flat ejector and has performed flawlessly for over 25000 rounds. New purchase Czech made with curved ejector not so much. Time will tell.
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Today I went to the range for the second time with my new CZ P10c. The gun has around 350 rounds shot total. It worked and is still working perfectly fine with the exception of 4 stovepipes during the last 50 rounds or so that I shot today at the range. When I got home I field stripped the gun to clean it and I found that the ejector is broken clean off. (sorry for the pic quality, phone camera sux).
(https://i.imgur.com/4Hmo4Ux.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/FEV5GCL.jpg)
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The bullet rides way too high with mag fully inserted and so does the slide stop bar in my opinion.
I never noticed when it broke and have no idea what happened to it. Gun continued working as usual. I always thought that part looked bent but I thought it was normal since gun was working fine. This is a big flaw, big one, and apparently not uncommon.
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Today I went to the range for the second time with my new CZ P10c. The gun has around 350 rounds shot total. It worked and is still working perfectly fine with the exception of 4 stovepipes during the last 50 rounds or so that I shot today at the range. When I got home I field stripped the gun to clean it and I found that the ejector is broken clean off. (sorry for the pic quality, phone camera sux).
(https://i.imgur.com/4Hmo4Ux.jpg)
The bullet rides way too high with mag fully inserted and so does the slide stop bar in my opinion.
I never noticed when it broke and have no idea what happened to it. Gun continued working as usual. I always thought that part looked bent but I thought it was normal since gun was working fine. This is a big flaw, big one, and apparently not uncommon.
Wow not good, before it broke did you do anything to the ejector like bending it back to straighten it or anything at all? Also not that it should matter but do you slam your magazine hard to seat it home?
How long has this been an issue or how long has owners been reporting on it, I'm guessing this includes all the P10C models like the newer OR version?
Whatever the answers it appears this is indeed a real issue and probably deserves a recall, don't you think so?
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Great information everyone and thanks to all for contributing!
I just picked up a 2020 CZ P-10C through an internet site and have a few issues out of the box. I do have what seems to be a bent or warped Ejector (#5 Rear Insert) with metal wear. The finish has been scraped off from what seems to be interference with the #17 Slide Cover during assembly/disassembly. The #17 Slide Cover also has some displaced material from that interference.
Anyone else's slide cover look like mine from the left/right play in the slide to rail fitment? I'll be reaching out to CZ soon.
I have not fired this P-10C, nor loaded anything but a single snap cap.
jim
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Great information everyone and thanks to all for contributing!
I just picked up a 2020 CZ P-10C through an internet site and have a few issues out of the box. I do have what seems to be a bent or warped Ejector (#5 Rear Insert) with metal wear. The finish has been scraped off from what seems to be interference with the #17 Slide Cover during assembly/disassembly. The #17 Slide Cover also has some displaced material from that interference.
Anyone else's slide cover look like mine from the left/right play in the slide to rail fitment? I'll be reaching out to CZ soon.
I have not fired this P-10C, nor loaded anything but a single snap cap.
jim
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Your last picture caught my eye because mine looks exactly the same. I had thought my rear block was somehow sitting a little off axis. I checked it as best as I could with a straight edge and the front and rear rails all seem to line up fine. It is a weird quirk of these pistols that I have seen on others. It doesn't seem to effect function or accuracy but it does look a little low rent.
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I spoke to CZ-USA and they are sending me out replacements for #5 and #17. Great customer service!
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I have a brand new P-10 S, never fired. I have been waiting for some sights and a base plate for a RMRCC. I’ve manually manipulated the slide and trigger to smooth things out.
My ejector is shiny metal on the top surface because it is rubbing against the slide, the ejector has a substantial upward bend.
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I spoke to CZ-USA and they are sending me out replacements for #5 and #17. Great customer service!
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After a mix up at the CZ USA parts department, they finally (and quickly) sent me out my replacement parts. Definitely a downward slope on this replacement rear insert. I must say a great customer service experience with CZ USA. I'm not sure if I'm going to throw this in just yet...
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Yea that's got to go back to CZ.
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Do we even know what normal is supposed to be shaped like?
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Do we even know what normal is supposed to be shaped like?
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Good question. I don't think these have to be perfectly straight to function properly, and they don't seem to be arrow straight as new parts, but I haven't seen one angled down like that one is (although relatively few pics have been posted here).
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My P10S made 2019 in Czech Republic is completely straight.
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My P10S made 2019 in Czech Republic is completely straight.
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Sorry for large pics.
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Yeah, the ejector in my P10F looks just like the one from tjwolf. As well, when I insert an empty magazine it does push the slide stop lever into the bottom of ejector, but with nowhere near enough force to cause any damage or bending, even if I slam the mag home. I’d say something happened at the factory to cause your ejector to be bent downward like that and it is definitely not right.
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I spoke to CZ-USA and they are sending me out replacements for #5 and #17. Great customer service!
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After a mix up at the CZ USA parts department, they finally (and quickly) sent me out my replacement parts. Definitely a downward slope on this replacement rear insert. I must say a great customer service experience with CZ USA. I'm not sure if I'm going to throw this in just yet...
Holy Batman... I suspected CZ was having QC issues with some of the parts, but that's insane. Worst of all, someone actually put that in an envelope and shipped it out of the warehouse.
If instead that's a new Rev3 part, then some CZ engineer had a big brained idea that to keep the ejector from bending up, they would just bend it down the other way. A lot. Almost looks like a machineshop joke...
I suspect that is going to cause issues with feeding since the top round in a mag is probably going to nose-up when it hits the ejector.
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I'll be calling CZ back to inquire about this downward sloped replacement insert.
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My p10c OR has a slight upward bend to it. It doesn't look like the rounds are making contact with the ejector. Model 95130 1/10/2020 mfg date.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201226/b7130ae18c101f026f6b25ff91782671.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201226/c649cccdc213360538f0f3eb6fb1932a.jpg)
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Just checked one of my brand new unfired FDE frames. It looks flat at first glance but if you place a straight edge over the ejector, you see a little light in the location where most are seeing the slight upturn of the bend.
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I spoke to CZ-USA and they are sending me out replacements for #5 and #17. Great customer service!
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Just called CZ again regarding this downward bent insert. They've confirmed it should be straight , a little bend up or down wouldn't affect function of the firearm, but they believe my replacement was bent during shipment. They also checked a bin of inserts and said they are straight and this shouldn't be a QC issue.
They are sending me another replacement insert. :)
They also mentioned that some people using extended magazines and slamming the magazine home doesn't help the situation for the ones that bend or break upward.
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Just called CZ again regarding this downward bent insert. They've confirmed it should be straight , a little bend up or down wouldn't affect function of the firearm, but they believe my replacement was bent during shipment. They also checked a bin of inserts and said they are straight and this shouldn't be a QC issue.
If you believe that line, I've got a bridge in a lovely little city called Manhattan... ::)
Unless they shipped it in a paper envelope with zero padding and someone closed it in a door jamb, it's a part designed to be smashed into a brass case at high velocities, over and over and over. They shipped it like that ;D
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Latest ejector replacement almost exactly matches the one that came stock in my P-10C. I guess I will leave it be and have backups of it breaks...
(both images are the new ejector) (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210116/43a4eda25ef8f60deb83a1685a952f8b.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210116/e3924dbced3528aa9c3a738f60f502ad.jpg)
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Any chance we gan get a sticky for the P10 family ejector? This seems to come up over and over, and having vath's picture of an uninstalled and unfired (and not completely borked like the first one) ejector block would be nice to point people to.