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GENERAL => CZ Gunsmithing => Topic started by: FeralCat on January 14, 2020, 03:55:03 PM
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HI.
First major post. My wife bought a new cz75BOmega several months ago. I can't quite figure out how to post pics yet; but the problem is that after my wife complained, and I experienced, one the of the worst triggers ever. We don't really want a super-duper outshoot the jones's trigger upgrade, just smoothed out a bit. I think I found at least one, if not THE issue. I know a stock 75 B Omega has a DA pull from Hades, but on this one so is the SA pull. Not in weight, but let off.Squeezing the trigger, it fells like the let off, NOPE! bump...trigger keeps creeping, than a letoff? NOPE! Another bump, then BANG! Upon disassembly and inspection, I found the sear has at least a couple of raised ridges where it contacts the hammer, and it is letting off gradually at an anlge, a little bit at a time, from one side to the other and not flat.. Does that make sense? I know how to do stoning to a certian degree, but would the sear need re-case hardening?
Ok..Hope that made sense?
Eric... still working on posting pics
(https://i.imgur.com/QhjxPA0.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/oEK6GfN.jpg)
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Weird... ???
I've just disassembled my Omega and has found no ridges on sear. Hammer has 3 - cocked, decocked, down. Sear is nicely squared.
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It's a weird sear alright:
I've been comparing my sear to pics of other sears, and it's definitely not right....Hopefully I'll get more time to work on it coming up.
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Here is a link on how to post pictures:
https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=84632.0
You have to host them somewhere, the forum doesn't have storage for pictures. Imgur seems to be the place lately.
I'm not familiar with the Omega sear interface. Pictures would help.
Cheers,
Toby
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Not sure of all your particulars, but I own two of the same guns.
The one built in 2018 shoots amazingly. It has about a half inch creep, but once resistance is felt, it go's bang immediately. Like butter, very sweet!
My 2019 version is more rough. A long S/A pull and crunchy with my snap cap. I haven't shot it yet, but I am selling it anyway.
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Not sure of all your particulars, but I own two of the same guns.
The one built in 2018 shoots amazingly. It has about a half inch creep, but once resistance is felt, it go's bang immediately. Like butter, very sweet!
My 2019 version is more rough. A long S/A pull and crunchy with my snap cap. I haven't shot it yet, but I am selling it anyway.
SELLING IT?? Send it back to CZ..
Tell them to fix the Sear.
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OK, I posted 2 pictures in the origina post of me holding back the trigger with the hammer fully cocked so the sear face can be seen. (tricky) 2 different types of lighting used.
This pistol is also a 2019.
Eric
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OK, I posted 2 pictures in the origina post of me holding back the trigger with the hammer fully cocked so the sear face can be seen. (tricky) 2 different types of lighting used.
This pistol is also a 2019.
Eric
I'm not sure if sear's polishing is a great idea, but CGW has this part for less than $10... perhaps this is the easiest way to fix it? This is still less expensive than sending the firearm to CZ-USA...
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A new sear is one option I'm opting for. The drawback(s) my wife is concerned concerned about, are that after reading the warranty terms, it appears further disassembly will void the warranty.
My wife is opting for just selling'trading it and being rid of it, which I told her we'll lose about $200 or more, (which is the approximate cost of a CGW upgrade kit), but which also seems to void the warranty. There's almost no guarantee what whatever she replaces the CZ with, won't have other bugs needing repair/mods. The gun also shouldn't be placed back on the market, it it really does have a bad sear, that's just BAD MOJO & KARMA!
As soon as the CZ comes back into the 'ROUNDTUIT" loop, I told her she, We, (usually meaning me) ::), should get ahold of CZ, see what they say, and go from there.
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A new sear is one option I'm opting for. The drawback(s) my wife is concerned concerned about, are that after reading the warranty terms, it appears further disassembly will void the warranty.
You can disassemble the firearm without voiding the warranty. This is regular "cleaning" procedure.
You can still invest with sear from CGW (this is factory sear) and test the firearm. If it's working fine after replacement, problem solved. Otherwise go back to original sear and deal with CZ.
It really hurts when you cannot enjoy new firearm... :-[
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If you are worried about voiding the warranty it sounds like you still have a warranty.
So use it.
Call CZ, get the paperwork (they should be able to e-mail you the return authorization paperwork/barcode labels for ID and shipping back to them) going and send it back. They don't charge for warranty work.
Some guys here have bought used CZ pistols, had issues and sent them back to CZ and CZ fixed them, no charge.
If you can get hold of them by e-mail you can even e-mail them that pictures showing the screwed up sear engagement surface.
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Yeah, she's only had the pistol since May.
I just got off the phone with Rich at CZ, and he said he could either send a sear, OR we could send it TO-FROM on THEIR DIME once the case was reviewed. He told me not add the pics until asked, as sometimes the warranty form doesn't go through.
My wife loves/trusts me, but she believes in letting the experts do their thing, so I filled out the form for her.
Now we wait. As it's SHOT SHOW week, they have a skeleton crew at the moment.... Cue Jeopardy music.....tick-tick-tick.. :D
Eric:)
OH! Rich did say taking it apart to do the sear myself was OK, unless I botched something up.
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Looking at that picture again I don't think the hammer contact surface looks very good either. looks rough on the left side in the picture.
They should take care of it, just be sure to let them know (if the hammer surface is crooked as it looks to me) that the hammer and sear appear to have uneven/excessive wear.
While I don't shoot my P09 much it is the most accurate semi-auto center fire pistol I've ever fired. Made me buy another one in .40 that isn't quite up to part with the 9MM P09.
Your wife's pistol? I know. I've never offered to let my wife shoot my P09 9MM. She shot the .40 and wanted it. Took some convincing to make her understand it's too big for her to carry all the time.
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OK, The pistol is on it's way to Kansas City, on CZs' dime. They never asked for pictures, so, maye they read the forum? It'll be awhile before we see it again. I'll post more then about whtat they said.
Eric:)
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From your picture it's easy to see that sear is badly messed up. The hammer not so much, but it still isn't right.
Please post pics of it when you get it back. And after she shoots it again, let us know how it went at the range.
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Roger Wilco! ;D
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I heard back from CZ today! They were nice enough to call, and inform us what they found. The tech who actually worked on the gun is the gent who called and he had our gun in hand as we spoke, and asked if there was anything else he should know.
Here's the skinny"
The sear looked OK, except for a burr which he ground/polished polished out.
Everything was functioning normally, and he test fired it to be sure.
We'll be receiving back early next week.
He did want to make sure we understood the differences between the 75, and the 75 Omega.
What I inferred from our chat:
The Omega is not in the same quality range as the 75, and we shouldn't expect too much.....
I have to commend CZ for their customer service & attentiveness. They even sent an email every week on the day they received it, just to let us know they hadn't got to it yet, but they knew we were waiting.
MY wife, at the moment, is already thinking "DITCH IT, AND GET A 75B!" But, we'll, (she'll), wait and see how it works when it arrives.
I'll post again after that.
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I heard back from CZ today! They were nice enough to call, and inform us what they found. The tech who actually worked on the gun is the gent who called and he had our gun in hand as we spoke, and asked if there was anything else he should know.
Here's the skinny"
The sear looked OK, except for a burr which he ground/polished polished out.
Everything was functioning normally, and he test fired it to be sure.
We'll be receiving back early next week.
He did want to make sure we understood the differences between the 75, and the 75 Omega.
What I inferred from our chat:
The Omega is not in the same quality range as the 75, and we shouldn't expect too much.....
I have to commend CZ for their customer service & attentiveness. They even sent an email every week on the day they received it, just to let us know they hadn't got to it yet, but they knew we were waiting.
MY wife, at the moment, is already thinking "DITCH IT, AND GET A 75B!" But, we'll, (she'll), wait and see how it works when it arrives.
I'll post again after that.
What’s the reason you chose an omega over the regular 75B? Because if you’re looking to use the safety instead of the decocker you might as well go with the 75B, just my opinion. Easier cleaning and maintenance too. Not that Omegas are all that hard to clean and maintain either, just that a regular 75B is easier. I’m a thumb safety guy myself, no dis to decocker folks.
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I say BS on not to expect much from an Omega/P07/P09.
None of the four P07/P09s I've bought showed the issue yours had.
The absolute worst trigger I've bought on a CZ was the two CZ75 Compacts with the P01 style steel frames. Absolutely ugly trigger pulls. On par with M&P semi auto triggers, maybe even worse.
In fact, to get triggers better than my P07/P09 I put new hammers in two of my CZ75s (Compact and B model .40).
Bad mouthing the products that provide his job sounds like a good way to end up working somewhere else.
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Without knowing exactly what was said, my thought is the conclusion reached was a step or two farther away from what the tech intended.
The Omega lockwork is less complicated and less expensive to manufacturer, so the Omega model 75B is priced lower than a non-Omega. It doesn't mean less quality, it just means they passed some of the manufacturing cost savings along to the customer.
I've owned my 75B Omega for nearly 6 years and it always performed great.
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OK...Our fault for posting. Gonna cut-run now...BYE BYE!
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OK...Our fault for posting. Gonna cut-run now...BYE BYE!
Hope y’all stick around the forum though. There are a lot of strong opinions here but this is an awesome place for info and help. A lot of good folks with years of experience and knowledge.
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I love my 2018 CZ75B Omega Convertible# 91136 so much that I bought another one. The 2019 model was nothing like the buttery trigger pull of my 2018 model, so I sold it.
Later I bought the CS75 P-01 Omega Convertible # 91229 and experienced the same crunchy trigger pull and sear hang up problems as Feralcat had on his CZ 75 Omega. This time I sent it back to CZ on their dime for fixing and they did! Now it has a wonderful trigger pull, almost as perfect as my 2018 CZ 75 Omega. But I still prefer my full sized #91136 version due to the recoil and muzzle flip, which is probably due to theP-01’s lighter aluminum frame and shorter barrel.
So now I am selling my P-01 and have bought another full-sized 75B Omega convertible, just because I have two of every gun that I like.
Hopefully the new #91136 will arrive with the same characteristics as my 2018 model. If not, I will be sending it back to CZ for warranty work.
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I love my 2018 CZ75B Omega Convertible# 91136 so much that I bought another one. The 2019 model was nothing like the buttery trigger pull of my 2018 model, so I sold it.
Later I bought the CS75 P-01 Omega Convertible # 91229 and experienced the same crunchy trigger pull and sear hang up problems as Feralcat had on his CZ 75 Omega. This time I sent it back to CZ on their dime for fixing and they did! Now it has a wonderful trigger pull, almost as perfect as my 2018 CZ 75 Omega. But I still prefer my full sized #91136 version due to the recoil and muzzle flip, which is probably due to theP-01’s lighter aluminum frame and shorter barrel.
So now I am selling my P-01 and have bought another full-sized 75B Omega convertible, just because I have two of every gun that I like.
Hopefully the new #91136 will arrive with the same characteristics as my 2018 model. If not, I will be sending it back to CZ for warranty work.
What did CZ have to fix on yours?
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The CZ Warranty reply reads...Work Performed: Adjusted fire control components. Function tested and test fired good.
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The CZ Warranty reply reads...Work Performed: Adjusted fire control components. Function tested and test fired good.
Generic much? ;D
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My new #91136 is perfect as far as i can tell, still at my FFL awaiting the three day FBI approval. The dry fire was as smooth and buttery as my 2018 model! Excellent!