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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ 2075 RAMI CLUB => Topic started by: slowmover on February 07, 2020, 03:50:30 PM
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Bought a new Rami. Worked well for 200 rounds or so then started messing up. Failure to feed, failure to eject ect. I sent it in for repair and got it returned with the same repairs as others on here got, extended throat, adjusted breach face lead in ,ect ect. Went to the range and TRIED to fire 100 but had a dozen of the same problems but mostly failure to eject. So I guess its going back again. At this point I need either a refund or new gun. I've researched this and seen all the possible remedies including ridiculous ideas that "oh you have to change the recoil spring every 400 rounds"Are you kidding me? What kind of modern gun requires that? I have a 1911 Colt I got in the 80s that has 10k rounds with the original spring. Same with a Sig 239. And if that was true why wouldn't CZ have thrown one in when they repaired it?''you have to put Wolff magazine springs in'' ''Try this, do that" I don't get it. And yes it happens with different ammo mfgs.and 3 different magazines. I will let you know what happens.
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Really . . . . . this i your FIRST post?
What have you even tried to remedy the situation? Different magazines? Different ammo? What is the specific nature of your mode of failure? Have any other shooters tried the pistol and experienced similar issues?
Pretty hard to get enthused in trying to help with the information (and attitude) provided.
But I might be wrong.
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As I stated, yes 3 different magazines, yes different ammo , yes to remedy it I sent it to the remedy people and yes I stated failure to extract and failure to feed. So.....?
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Sorry to hear you are having problems with the new Rami. I'm on my 2nd Rami and have not had any problems/malfunctions. I did change out the trigger to the "old" style and put on XS Big Dot sights. I'm not saying do this or that, however I cleaned both Rami's with an old toothbrush and Hoppes #9 and also broke down the mags and did the same to them before firing the guns. I also use Slip 2000 EWG grease on the rails. I'm not saying you should do this, just that it has/does work for my Rami. I usually shoot Fiocchi, S&B, Speer Lawman, PMC for range ammo. You didn't say if you did a real good cleaning before using the gun. Keep us posted and there is a Rami specific section on the board to discuss the Rami.
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Have you asked CZ-USA for a new pistol instead of an additional repair? You are in the US, right? We have had two RAMIs here with no issues - my wife has the first RAMI west of the Mississippi and will never give that one up.
If you are dealing with CZ-USA I'd ask politely for a new gun if possible, or credit towards a different one, like a P-10S.
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Thanks.Sorry for the rude entrance but I’m a little miffed at this as I am an old man and have purchased many new guns in my time. I will see what they say. I sent them photos of the cases not ejecting and I would have thought they would replace the extractor but they are the experts.At first I suspected the Sig 124 Gr V-Crowns but it happens with SB, Winchester and others all FMJ.
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My first one had issues only with 14 rounder. Sent back also for grip issues, and they replaced without issue or comment though I think more to replace the frame. Works great now.
I think the 500 round thing is overblown. It won't stop working that quick, but you might replace the spring when your brass gets flung far.
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Where are you located?
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^ What Ruber said. Any new pistol, but especially CZs since they come packed with grease from the factory. I remove the grips and any plastic parts, field strip and dunk the entire weapon in a bucket of Hoppes #9 over night, keeping any night sights above the surface. This dissolves and removes any solidified cosmoline from all the nooks and crannies inside the weapon so it will run.
After it’s soaked long enough, blow out with compressed air and allow to air dry before lubing. I use a grease lube, which stays where it’s needed rather than runs out of the gun over time. I use Slip 2000 EWG.
The majority of people who come on here with such complaints have never thoroughly cleaned their weapon from the factory.
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Sorry to hear your little RAMI came back from KS and isn't up to snuff. My personal suggestion would be to send her back again and request that the pistol be replaced UNLESS they can assure she will be dialed in correctly. The posts about soaking the little Czech beauty are correct. These pistols can be thoroughly coated with preservative grease. Since you paid for factory support though I'd let the kids in KS deal with it on principal...
I have talked with Cory Woods at CZ-USA, he's a Technical Support Gunsmith and was really helpful. I would suggest calling him first (if he's still there) and explaining your situation. If the intent is to use your RAMI for an EDC be clear about that and that you need one that is 100% reliable. I have over 2500 failure free rounds through mine, these little pistols can be reliable.
Good luck
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I am in NW Indiana-The gun was clean when I got it and cleaned by me multiple times before the problem started and was cleaned by Cz repair.How to post photos here? My motorcycle forum has this exact same format but has an add photos option.They also want donations
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I am in NW Indiana-The gun was clean when I got it and cleaned by me multiple times before the problem started and was cleaned by Cz repair.How to post photos here? My motorcycle forum has this exact same format but has an add photos option.They also want donations
You need to use a pic hosting site. The How To is in the "Important Information" section here -
https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=93202.0
What motorcycle forum?
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Wildguzzi for Motoguzzi motorcycles
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Rami’s can be finicky depending on user and ammo.
Had a shooter shoot the first 50 in a session fine then start malfunctions. Failures to eject etc.
Shooter was relaxing grip ( not knowingly) from fatigue.
Short barreled guns with short spring recoil system can be just this way.
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Sorry to hear about your problems. I love CZ’s and have had great experience it’s my RAMI and 4 other CZ handguns. In each case the pistol was deep cleaned and the i lubed ‘em up and they’ve al, ran like champs. If you haven’t done so, try oiling her up pretty good, I run mine “wet” and they’ve been perfect. If you try that and still have issues I’d definitely ship her back to CZ. Include pictures showing the malfunctions if possible. Emphasize this is to be an SD piece and nothing less than 100% reliable is good enough. My little RAMI replaced a K....r that cost twice as much and in 400 rounds never made it through two consecutive mags without a failure. I can’t believe that your problems are anything major with the RAMI (though like you I’d be torqued if I had the experience you’ve had.). Hang in there and let CZknow you must have it right-either repair or replace if it can’t be fixed. I think they’ll take care of you.
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I am in NW Indiana-The gun was clean when I got it and cleaned by me multiple times before the problem started and was cleaned by Cz repair.How to post photos here? My motorcycle forum has this exact same format but has an add photos option.They also want donations
Did anybody soak it in a bucket of Hoppes #9 over night? That's pretty much what it takes.
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I recently acquired a RAMI D and ran the hell out of it with all kinds of different ammo mixed in to see if it would fail and it ran like a top. I would call CZ and explain your issue and they will take care of it.
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The newbie here who just came back from the range with my wife. We were shooting rami bd 2075 for the first time. 50 rounds each. I bought it new a month ago (2019 edition). I didn't clean it, as I was not aware until now that I need to clean a brand new pistol. Anyhow, most likely the problems we've have experienced are not the same as OP; however, there was some discomfort firing this Rami for sure. I should mention that the last time I had some range experience was 25 years ago in the army (ar16 & uzi) and my wife never fired guns before (besides disassembly/assembling ak47 in high school).
What I like is how it fires. Feels smooth.
What I didn't like and I understand that I lack experience are the following:
a) During reload of the magazine, it really takes some power to slide back and at the same time pull the lever on the left side up. We really struggled w/this. I can't find a good youtube video that shows this moment step by step. I think we might need to take a private lesson on how to use this gun.
b) Twice it was not ejecting (i.e. pulling trigger & nothing happens, take the mag out, try to slide back and it doesn't slide). Asked shooting range watch guy and he struggled with it too but managed to slide it back eventually. At that point, I really thought maybe I need to call for warranty :-)
c) loading 14 mag was no problem, but loading 10 mag... i could only get 8 bullets fast. the last two was/is a real struggle. can't imagine putting so much effort to load 10 mag when/if time comes.
Also, if someone can point me to good youtube video instruction on how to clean this specific gun that would be great.
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a) it should lock open on finishing the last round, there is no need to work the catch.
b) I do not understand this one. Failure to eject is very different than pulling the trigger and no "bang." The latter suggests bad ammo not gun. Try different ammo to see if it just dislikes one, though it's not a picky gun. Try both round nose and hollow point, and Sellier & Bellot is what they test them with.
Cleaning is easy, the first step is the hardest. You need to pull the slide slightly back and then push the button with an object. The floor of a magazine will work though a punch or something will be easier. Then take the slide off, remove the recoil spring assembly and barrel. Clean visible parts.
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The newbie here who just came back from the range with my wife. We were shooting rami bd 2075 for the first time. 50 rounds each. I bought it new a month ago (2019 edition). I didn't clean it, as I was not aware until now that I need to clean a brand new pistol. Anyhow, most likely the problems we've have experienced are not the same as OP; however, there was some discomfort firing this Rami for sure. I should mention that the last time I had some range experience was 25 years ago in the army (ar16 & uzi) and my wife never fired guns before (besides disassembly/assembling ak47 in high school).
What I like is how it fires. Feels smooth.
What I didn't like and I understand that I lack experience are the following:
a) During reload of the magazine, it really takes some power to slide back and at the same time pull the lever on the left side up. We really struggled w/this. I can't find a good youtube video that shows this moment step by step. I think we might need to take a private lesson on how to use this gun.
b) Twice it was not ejecting (i.e. pulling trigger & nothing happens, take the mag out, try to slide back and it doesn't slide). Asked shooting range watch guy and he struggled with it too but managed to slide it back eventually. At that point, I really thought maybe I need to call for warranty :-)
c) loading 14 mag was no problem, but loading 10 mag... i could only get 8 bullets fast. the last two was/is a real struggle. can't imagine putting so much effort to load 10 mag when/if time comes.
Also, if someone can point me to good youtube video instruction on how to clean this specific gun that would be great.
I have a few questions myself:
1 AR-16 / Uzi? What army were you in? Joe Biden's or Bernie Sanders' or Israel's?
2. Is your wife a Russian?
Clean your Rami thoroughly. CZs generally come from the factory packed with cosmoline, which is a preservative / rust preventive, not a lubricant. First, disassemble, remove the grips and soak the metal parts in a bucket of Hoppes #9 (keeping the sights above the surface of the solvent) for a few hours to dissolve all the packing grease. Then blow dry, reassemble / lubricate with a good gun GREASE (e.g. Slip 2000).
If you're having trouble loading the mags, get a mag loader. I don't use one, but maybe this would work https://plate.us/pages/cz-magazine-loader
If you're having trouble manipulating the pistol to chamber, etc., you might want to get some hand exercisers, etc. but it will probably be a lot easier after the pistol is thoroughly cleaned.
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Missed that AK reloading part, that's some ComBloc upbringing stuff. Or the coolest US high school.
I use an UpLula reloader for CZ, Sig, whatever manufacturer. Works great with all of them.
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a) it should lock open on finishing the last round, there is no need to work the catch.
b) I do not understand this one. Failure to eject is very different than pulling the trigger and no "bang." The latter suggests bad ammo not gun. Try different ammo to see if it just dislikes one, though it's not a picky gun. Try both round nose and hollow point, and Sellier & Bellot is what they test them with.
Cleaning is easy, the first step is the hardest. You need to pull the slide slightly back and then push the button with an object. The floor of a magazine will work though a punch or something will be easier. Then take the slide off, remove the recoil spring assembly and barrel. Clean visible parts.
a) The way the range instructor showed us how to load rami was as following:
i) mag is out
ii) with both fingers on the serrated part of the slide, retract the slide back and at the same time bring the slide stop up. bringing the slide stop up while sliding stop up WAS the moment we struggled with. it definetly took more than 5 sec and can't imagine it should take more than when sh't happens.
iii) put mag in. look in the chamber
iv) retract the slide more to allow it go forward
v) shoot
b) the ammo i used was bought at Academy. Monarch 9mm luger 115GR FMJ 50 cartridges.
"pulling the trigger and no "bang" that exactly what happened twice. the first time we had tried to take the mag out and slide back... but it was not sliding back as it seemed it was stuck and then we needed help from range watcher who also struggled for more than 15 sec.. he was just 'playing' the slide back & forth.
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The newbie here who just came back from the range with my wife. We were shooting rami bd 2075 for the first time. 50 rounds each. I bought it new a month ago (2019 edition). I didn't clean it, as I was not aware until now that I need to clean a brand new pistol. Anyhow, most likely the problems we've have experienced are not the same as OP; however, there was some discomfort firing this Rami for sure. I should mention that the last time I had some range experience was 25 years ago in the army (ar16 & uzi) and my wife never fired guns before (besides disassembly/assembling ak47 in high school).
What I like is how it fires. Feels smooth.
What I didn't like and I understand that I lack experience are the following:
a) During reload of the magazine, it really takes some power to slide back and at the same time pull the lever on the left side up. We really struggled w/this. I can't find a good youtube video that shows this moment step by step. I think we might need to take a private lesson on how to use this gun.
b) Twice it was not ejecting (i.e. pulling trigger & nothing happens, take the mag out, try to slide back and it doesn't slide). Asked shooting range watch guy and he struggled with it too but managed to slide it back eventually. At that point, I really thought maybe I need to call for warranty :-)
c) loading 14 mag was no problem, but loading 10 mag... i could only get 8 bullets fast. the last two was/is a real struggle. can't imagine putting so much effort to load 10 mag when/if time comes.
Also, if someone can point me to good youtube video instruction on how to clean this specific gun that would be great.
I have a few questions myself:
1 AR-16 / Uzi? What army were you in? Joe Biden's or Bernie Sanders' or Israel's?
2. Is your wife a Russian?
Clean your Rami thoroughly. CZs generally come from the factory packed with cosmoline, which is a preservative / rust preventive, not a lubricant. First, disassemble, remove the grips and soak the metal parts in a bucket of Hoppes #9 (keeping the sights above the surface of the solvent) for a few hours to dissolve all the packing grease. Then blow dry, reassemble / lubricate with a good gun GREASE (e.g. Slip 2000).
If you're having trouble loading the mags, get a mag loader. I don't use one, but maybe this would work https://plate.us/pages/cz-magazine-loader
If you're having trouble manipulating the pistol to chamber, etc., you might want to get some hand exercisers, etc. but it will probably be a lot easier after the pistol is thoroughly cleaned.
1. Your third guess was correct. It was IDF. Obviously, not a combat unit, otherwise I would not ask the questions above.
To be perfectly honest, I would not buy the gun, if Bernie or AOC (future) were not a popular candidates in this country. I bought Rami when I watched debates and thought that Bernie could become the next President.
2. Yeah, we graduated from the same class in Moscow. And we had this 'great' weekly class (grades 9 & 10, if i remember correctly), where we had to listen to retired Soviet army instructor about dangers of capitalism, how communism is the best system and obviously be prep'd to defend (i.e know the mother-Russia's Kalashnkov, put army chem mask quick, etc...).
Thank you for cleaning instructions for the Rami !
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a) it should lock open on finishing the last round, there is no need to work the catch.
b) I do not understand this one. Failure to eject is very different than pulling the trigger and no "bang." The latter suggests bad ammo not gun. Try different ammo to see if it just dislikes one, though it's not a picky gun. Try both round nose and hollow point, and Sellier & Bellot is what they test them with.
Cleaning is easy, the first step is the hardest. You need to pull the slide slightly back and then push the button with an object. The floor of a magazine will work though a punch or something will be easier. Then take the slide off, remove the recoil spring assembly and barrel. Clean visible parts.
a) The way the range instructor showed us how to load rami was as following:
i) mag is out
ii) with both fingers on the serrated part of the slide, retract the slide back and at the same time bring the slide stop up. bringing the slide stop up while sliding stop up WAS the moment we struggled with. it definetly took more than 5 sec and can't imagine it should take more than that when sh't happens.
iii) put mag in. look in the chamber
iv) retract the slide more to allow it go forward
v) shoot
b) the ammo i used was bought at Academy. Monarch 9mm luger 115GR FMJ 50 cartridges.
"pulling the trigger and no "bang" that exactly what happened twice. the first time we had tried to take the mag out and slide back... but it was not sliding back as it seemed it was stuck and then we needed help from range watcher who also struggled for more than 15 sec.. he was just 'playing' the slide back & forth.
Monarch (Russian steel case) 9mm Ammo is pretty lousy: dirty, inaccurate, hard primers, etc.
Fiocchi fmj is probably the best cheap practice ammo you can get. Quality stuff for just a buck or two more than Russian 9mm.
Also, with the Rami, you’re going to need to pick up a few extra outer recoil springs from CZ, which tend to wear out after 500 rounds or so, always keeping a fresh spring in for self-defense.
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Thank you for ammo suggestion.
Please disreg my observation above about the slide struggle.
I played w/the gun for 15 min today and found that if I take the slide by the middle and not serrated part, I can relatively easy bring the slide stop up.
Regarding my comment above 10 mag loading issue.. I just disassembled the mag, sprayed w/silicone and then I was able to load all 10 bullets in.
It does rattle, but I found if you press the top part and knock the bottom the rattle almost gone after that.
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a) it should lock open on finishing the last round, there is no need to work the catch.
b) I do not understand this one. Failure to eject is very different than pulling the trigger and no "bang." The latter suggests bad ammo not gun. Try different ammo to see if it just dislikes one, though it's not a picky gun. Try both round nose and hollow point, and Sellier & Bellot is what they test them with.
Cleaning is easy, the first step is the hardest. You need to pull the slide slightly back and then push the button with an object. The floor of a magazine will work though a punch or something will be easier. Then take the slide off, remove the recoil spring assembly and barrel. Clean visible parts.
a) The way the range instructor showed us how to load rami was as following:
i) mag is out
ii) with both fingers on the serrated part of the slide, retract the slide back and at the same time bring the slide stop up. bringing the slide stop up while sliding stop up WAS the moment we struggled with. it definetly took more than 5 sec and can't imagine it should take more than that when sh't happens.
iii) put mag in. look in the chamber
iv) retract the slide more to allow it go forward
v) shoot
Things loosen up with cleaning, lubrication, and use. But I can’t imagine that being a recommended sequence of events for any compact self defense pistol. I only manually engage the slide stop (which is intentionally reduced in size on the RAMI) to show clear in between range drills. As mentioned, in normal use, the slide locks back after the last shot. Even if it fails to lock back (weak mag spring), smack the fresh mag in, rack the slide, and keep shooting.
A good range instructor would also recognize the struggles with a new gun and would at least get you an initial cleaning and lube, even if minimal. I am sorry you are having a rough go with it.
I’d try to politely find a new instructor.
Good luck!
Got it! Thank you very much.
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a) You should not be working the slide itself. Assuming right handed, switch if lefty:
Right hand holds grip, finger off trigger.
Left hand holds slide with "meat" of palm more than fingers.
Left hand pulls back on slide, but especially right hand pushes forward at same time.
Only need to pull back slightly to check if loaded, and pull back once to load chamber before first shot. Between mags you can either push slide stop button or rack slide.
b) if click and no bang, keep barrel pointed in safe direction for 30 seconds in case ignition is delayed. Then eject round, inspect primer for dimple. Could be a firing pin issue but due to inconsistency suggests ammo issue.
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a) You should not be working the slide itself. Assuming right handed, switch if lefty:
Right hand holds grip, finger off trigger.
Left hand holds slide with "meat" of palm more than fingers.
Left hand pulls back on slide, but especially right hand pushes forward at same time.
Only need to pull back slightly to check if loaded, and pull back once to load chamber before first shot. Between mags you can either push slide stop button or rack slide.
b) if click and no bang, keep barrel pointed in safe direction for 30 seconds in case ignition is delayed. Then eject round, inspect primer for dimple. Could be a firing pin issue but due to inconsistency suggests ammo issue.
Thank you! I got it now - not to engage slide stop at all.
We were instructed to engage the slide stop by the ranger watch guy each time the mag was emptied. The very first time trying to fire and 'click and no bang' was happening he showed us to engage slide stop.
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Sounds like a very conservative approach to limit newbies doing something unsafe. Not wrong per se, but extra added steps to make it confusing.
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a) it should lock open on finishing the last round, there is no need to work the catch.
b) I do not understand this one. Failure to eject is very different than pulling the trigger and no "bang." The latter suggests bad ammo not gun. Try different ammo to see if it just dislikes one, though it's not a picky gun. Try both round nose and hollow point, and Sellier & Bellot is what they test them with.
Cleaning is easy, the first step is the hardest. You need to pull the slide slightly back and then push the button with an object. The floor of a magazine will work though a punch or something will be easier. Then take the slide off, remove the recoil spring assembly and barrel. Clean visible parts.
a) The way the range instructor showed us how to load rami was as following:
i) mag is out
ii) with both fingers on the serrated part of the slide, retract the slide back and at the same time bring the slide stop up. bringing the slide stop up while sliding stop up WAS the moment we struggled with. it definetly took more than 5 sec and can't imagine it should take more than that when sh't happens.
iii) put mag in. look in the chamber
iv) retract the slide more to allow it go forward
v) shoot
b) the ammo i used was bought at Academy. Monarch 9mm luger 115GR FMJ 50 cartridges.
"pulling the trigger and no "bang" that exactly what happened twice. the first time we had tried to take the mag out and slide back... but it was not sliding back as it seemed it was stuck and then we needed help from range watcher who also struggled for more than 15 sec.. he was just 'playing' the slide back & forth.
Monarch (Russian steel case) 9mm Ammo is pretty lousy: dirty, inaccurate, hard primers, etc.
Fiocchi fmj is probably the best cheap practice ammo you can get. Quality stuff for just a buck or two more than Russian 9mm.
Also, with the Rami, you’re going to need to pick up a few extra outer recoil springs from CZ, which tend to wear out after 500 rounds or so, always keeping a fresh spring in for self-defense.
Outer recoil spring for CZ on this website says to replace after 1k rounds
https://cajungunworks.com/product/60001-rami-recoil-spring-assembly/
it costs here $15
looks like the same spring from CZ cost $7 here https://www.midwayusa.com/product/100426158
Also, I remember now why I bought Monarch ammo. It was only one available due to covid-19 & Bernie :-)
Fiocchi is still OOS in most online stores.
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i wish i found this forum before going to the range
I just noticed that my Rami also has firing pin out.
This thread describes the problem: https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=109115.0
I too dried fired the gun quite a few times before going to the range & after.
(https://i.imgur.com/60h0HDx.jpg)
Oh well.. now I do need to disassemble & buy O-ring.
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i wish i found this forum before going to the range
I just noticed that my Rami also has firing pin out.
This thread describes the problem: https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=109115.0
I too dried fired the gun quite a few times before going to the range & after.
(https://i.imgur.com/60h0HDx.jpg)
Oh well.. now I do need to disassemble & buy O-ring.
It is easy to get discouraged when trying something new. This is a great forum with many experienced members that seem ready to help. Just keep asking for help and it will keep getting easier.
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Ruber, thank you! I checked again and you're correct the firing pin is not sticking out inside. So this is great.
Please let me know if supplies (see pic down below) that I bought in Walmart are good for initial cleaning of the gun? I was looking to buy Slip 2000 EWL as was suggested earlier, but they don't sell it. I didn't find the youtube video on cleaning RAMI, but there was one for CZ 75 that I will use as instruction.
(https://i.imgur.com/a3br4dR.jpg)
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Thank you so much!!
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Okay folks, this thread has gone way off the reservation.