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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => DAN WESSON FIREARMS => Topic started by: IAMThird on April 24, 2020, 10:33:23 AM
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From several accounts, the DWX Compact was one of the stars of the recent Shot Show. https://danwessonfirearms.com/product/dwx-compact/ (https://danwessonfirearms.com/product/dwx-compact/)Since then it seems to have fallen off the radar. If/when it is finally released, does anyone here plan to check these out? I'm fascinated by the concept, but I'm not sure I'm all in. I love my DW Commander-sized 1911 and my CZ Custom PCR, but combing the CZ frame with the DW slide? I understand the extra round count compared to a standard 1911, but it's not like there's anything wrong with the CZ slide which is fairly thin already. As to ergonomics, the parent guns are both extremely comfortable and natural pointers, but different. The DWX-C hybrid essentially makes a CZ into an a strictly S/A pistol. What am I missing? What's the advantage? Is it just a thought experiment, or is there a market for this? Educate me, please!
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I cannot wait the day it will be released. 8)
I've never shot DW1911 but as a left handed fan of double stack 1911 and CZ75 -> DWX-C is the perfect tool for me.
Hard to find any cons without having this firearm at hands. So far only pros for me (watching videos and reading articles).
Hopefully Dan Wesson / CZ hybrid won't disappoint me. ;)
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The DWX series will have a true 1911 type trigger, not a hinge trigger like a CZ.
The allure for me is the 1911 trigger pull which can be tuned past the sensitivity of a CZ trigger in most cases. Pics make me think the thumb safety on the DWX will feel like a 1911 thumb safety, which I prefer somewhat to the ergos of CZ safeties.
A good CZ can be made very good with help from CGW or CZC, but the DWX looks like it could be even more easily customized by someone familiar with 1911s already since many fire control parts are noted to be 1911 compatible.
It will be very interesting to see how the DWX series works out. I'm interested in one (maybe after the initial hoopla dies down)!
And... the increased capacity over a SS 1911 is appreciated.
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welcome.
not sure where you come from.
but when it comes to guns (and woman) you need to put your brain aside.
there will be those like you that have to break out the slide rule and analyze everything and there are those that will just accept things for what they are and maybe be grateful of being alive at this time.
i like to look/observe and ponder things myself. "what ifs...."
my 1st time shooting a good friend took me out and he had a BHP. Loved it but it felt like i was holding a 2x2. Then there was the SAO feature. OK, not knowing much about guns i accepted it as thats the way it is. Then i got to shoot a DA/SA revolver. I also shot a 1911 too. But i pondered why cant they have a 1911 with DA/SA and a BHP with DA/SA? I also loved the 9 more than 45 ACP. Of course making a 1911 in anything other than 45 is blasphemy for some, but i was not raised with blinders on or any gun prejudices, so i could ponder what i want and buy what i want when i could afford it.
Then a read about the CZs. Back then they were common like dinosaurs. So i didnt think i would have a chance to see one, yet alone buy one. But later on it happened. That CZ 85 became my favorite toy. There were others toys that were my favorite like my Colts and S&Ws and others, but just loved shooting it. 1911s were fun too. Most if not all of my guns are natural pointers to me. I can pickup any/most of my guns and hit what i aim at without much thought.
Glocks. Glocks are different to me. They feel like a gun, but for some reason, i cant shoot them well to save my life. if i concentrate really hard i can maybe get that 1st shot to hit paper. Not something i would carry for SD. but the ones i have shot have a large enough cap mag, i have more than 1 try. But i know from talking to LEOs and others that for some, you have to re train your hands/hold to shoot Glocks well. they can outshoot the shooter since my friends that have and shoot them better than me is proof.
It appears you are wired to "analyze" things to accept them or to allow them in your home. thats ok. Its you and who you are.
but for some, if they go "bang" they are fun and many will just buy - because they can.
When it comes to guns and stuff, you would be surprised that some people dont settle for whats out there but if they think they can build a better/faster/cheaper mouse trap, they give it a go. Its just a matter of time if it goes over or not, but i also see timing as appropriate too.
i have one of theses. At the time i thought it was cool and still do.
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/10/11/real-glock-1911-alchemy-arms-spectre/ (https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/10/11/real-glock-1911-alchemy-arms-spectre/)
https://www.guns.com/news/2012/12/12/daewoo-dp-51-k5 (https://www.guns.com/news/2012/12/12/daewoo-dp-51-k5)
im sure the Ergos will be better for some. Maybe enough to open up their wallet.
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All good points, drband. My PCR trigger is tuned to 7.75/3.5. Not sure I'd want it lighter for carry.
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welcome.
not sure where you come from.
but when it comes to guns (and woman) you need to put your brain aside.
there will be those like you that have to break out the slide rule and analyze everything and there are those that will just accept things for what they are and maybe be grateful of being alive at this time.
i like to look/observe and ponder things myself. "what ifs...."
my 1st time shooting a good friend took me out and he had a BHP. Loved it but it felt like i was holding a 2x2. Then there was the SAO feature. OK, not knowing much about guns i accepted it as thats the way it is. Then i got to shoot a DA/SA revolver. I also shot a 1911 too. But i pondered why cant they have a 1911 with DA/SA and a BHP with DA/SA? I also loved the 9 more than 45 ACP. Of course making a 1911 in anything other than 45 is blasphemy for some, but i was not raised with blinders on or any gun prejudices, so i could ponder what i want and buy what i want when i could afford it.
Then a read about the CZs. Back then they were common like dinosaurs. So i didnt think i would have a chance to see one, yet alone buy one. But later on it happened. That CZ 85 became my favorite toy. There were others toys that were my favorite like my Colts and S&Ws and others, but just loved shooting it. 1911s were fun too. Most if not all of my guns are natural pointers to me. I can pickup any/most of my guns and hit what i aim at without much thought.
Glocks. Glocks are different to me. They feel like a gun, but for some reason, i cant shoot them well to save my life. if i concentrate really hard i can maybe get that 1st shot to hit paper. Not something i would carry for SD. but the ones i have shot have a large enough cap mag, i have more than 1 try. But i know from talking to LEOs and others that for some, you have to re train your hands/hold to shoot Glocks well. they can outshoot the shooter since my friends that have and shoot them better than me is proof.
It appears you are wired to "analyze" things to accept them or to allow them in your home. thats ok. Its you and who you are.
but for some, if they go "bang" they are fun and many will just buy - because they can.
When it comes to guns and stuff, you would be surprised that some people dont settle for whats out there but if they think they can build a better/faster/cheaper mouse trap, they give it a go. Its just a matter of time if it goes over or not, but i also see timing as appropriate too.
i have one of theses. At the time i thought it was cool and still do.
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/10/11/real-glock-1911-alchemy-arms-spectre/ (https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/10/11/real-glock-1911-alchemy-arms-spectre/)
https://www.guns.com/news/2012/12/12/daewoo-dp-51-k5 (https://www.guns.com/news/2012/12/12/daewoo-dp-51-k5)
im sure the Ergos will be better for some. Maybe enough to open up their wallet.
I totally get where you're coming from. I recently sold/consigned a S&W 686+ revolver, a Sig P238, a Ruger SP101 in .327, and previously unloaded an M&P9C. I like all kinds of guns, but don't like a safe full of things I don't shoot. I'm weird that way. Too me it's coming down to whether I want to add another DW1911 (maybe a CCO) or another CZ customized compact size to my carry and range rotation, or if the DWX-C would be a better option. Haven't decided yet, which is why I'm asking others what they think. Thanks for the response.
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All good points, drband. My PCR trigger is tuned to 7.75/3.5. Not sure I'd want it lighter for carry.
Yeah, that's pretty light... but a 1911 straight pull trigger feels different than and CZ pivoting trigger.
Nice CZ triggers are very good, however!
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I'm extremely interested in the DWX Compact because a lefty-friendly, double-stack 9mm 1911 doesn't seem exist. Plus, the DWX Compact supposedly takes full-size CZ 75 mags (if that isn't the case, I'll be very disappointed), which is a big bonus. I'm hoping the DWX sells very well and Dan Wesson releases a more traditionally styled model with a steel frame and no picatinny rail, maybe a ring hammer too. I'd snap that up in a heartbeat - and meanwhile, if reviews are good, I may get a regular DWX Compact while waiting for them to make my dream pistol. ;D
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I'm extremely interested in the DWX Compact because a lefty-friendly, double-stack 9mm 1911 doesn't seem exist. Plus, the DWX Compact supposedly takes full-size CZ 75 mags (if that isn't the case, I'll be very disappointed), which is a big bonus. I'm hoping the DWX sells very well and Dan Wesson releases a more traditionally styled model with a steel frame and no picatinny rail, maybe a ring hammer too. I'd snap that up in a heartbeat - and meanwhile, if reviews are good, I may get a regular DWX Compact while waiting for them to make my dream pistol. ;D
They are already saying that they will be offering a version of the compact without a rail, if the hammer is more CZ than 1911, CGW will probably have a ring hammer available, a steel frame version would be very cool though. :)
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They are already saying that they will be offering a version of the compact without a rail, if the hammer is more CZ than 1911, CGW will probably have a ring hammer available, a steel frame version would be very cool though. :)
Correct, but as far as I know they've only said the Compact will have an aluminum frame, no word about a steel version yet. I wonder when they'll actually start shipping guns out, I hope they haven't been delayed too terribly much.
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I have a full-size DWX in .40 on order. Before the WuFlu struck, the estimate was June for shipment.
I don't know if DW is still manufacturing or if the NYSSR shut them down over the Pandemic.
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They are already saying that they will be offering a version of the compact without a rail,
Which is a great news for me :D
This is what I'm waiting for 8)
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I'm extremely interested in the DWX Compact because a lefty-friendly, double-stack 9mm 1911 doesn't seem exist. Plus, the DWX Compact supposedly takes full-size CZ 75 mags (if that isn't the case, I'll be very disappointed), which is a big bonus. I'm hoping the DWX sells very well and Dan Wesson releases a more traditionally styled model with a steel frame and no picatinny rail, maybe a ring hammer too. I'd snap that up in a heartbeat - and meanwhile, if reviews are good, I may get a regular DWX Compact while waiting for them to make my dream pistol. ;D
I like your thinking!
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I want too physically handle one before I'd consider ordering one. I have 1911's and DA/SA CZ's and prefer the DA first shot of my CZ's so justifying the cost may be a stretch for me. The DWX looks like it will be close in size to my PCR so no advantage there in concealability but once I handle one I may be impressed enough to snag one. I have a local dealer who is going to call me when he finally gets one and I'll check it out .
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I want too physically handle one before I'd consider ordering one. I have 1911's and DA/SA CZ's and prefer the DA first shot of my CZ's so justifying the cost may be a stretch for me. The DWX looks like it will be close in size to my PCR so no advantage there in concealability but once I handle one I may be impressed enough to snag one. I have a local dealer who is going to call me when he finally gets one and I'll check it out .
One other advantage may be the bull barrel.
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Bit of an update- spoke to the local Dan Wesson LGD today and learned that DW had expected the DWX-C to ship first quarter. Then it became mid-summer. Then it was late fall. In short-- he doesn't expect them this year!
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Bit of an update- spoke to the local Dan Wesson LGD today and learned that DW had expected the DWX-C to ship first quarter. Then it became mid-summer. Then it was late fall. In short-- he doesn't expect them this year!
While that's disappointing, it does simplify my 2020 spending goals. Instead of having to choose between a nice kayak or a nice gun this year, I can get the kayak now and the DWX later. ;D
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Another gun on my short list.
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I paid in full for a DWX in January. Unfortunately I’m from N.J. and my permit to purchase a pistol has an expiration of 90 days. I gave up on the Dwx once the expiration day was approaching and ended up getting something else. Such a bummer. Now I’m thinking if I should forgo the idea of waiting on the DWX and go after the stacatto C2. I want to run an optic so I’m think the DWX won’t come with that until 2022.
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Bit of an update- spoke to the local Dan Wesson LGD today and learned that DW had expected the DWX-C to ship first quarter. Then it became mid-summer. Then it was late fall. In short-- he doesn't expect them this year!
IAMThird, any chance you've heard more news from your LGD?
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I’m disappointed they have not produced any, but fully understand why.
What I’d like to see is a comparison of the DWX compact to the Wilson EDC X9. They appear to be similar in size and function.
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It's interesting that I started this thread in spring 2020, and still no DWX. I wonder how CZ's recently announced acquisition of Colt might impact the timeline. The long delay has given me time to reflect and reconsider whether I really want a high cap DA/SA for my carry gun. My thinking has changed in that time. I took some more tactical training. I picked up a CZ 75 Shadow Black SA from CZC. And I recently decided to stick with and train on one manual of arms- Single Action. I still love CZ's, but I found out I'm not smart enough or good enough under pressure to remember you can't let your thumb ride a decocker like a safety on a 1911 to control recoil. I sold my CZC Custom PCR to a friend and picked up another 1911.
My carry rotation now includes a Dan Wesson Vigil Commander and an Ed Brown Stainless KC-9. On the rare occasion I think 10 rounds + another full mag I'm training to switch quickly aren't enough, I'll carry the Shadow. I'm currently having some work done and dressing it up for that eventuality. I don't mind the little extra weight over the PCR as I now carry the 1911s anyway. Same motion on all of them- draw, present, depress safety, bang. All incredibly accurate. All have a straight trigger with short reset. I also carry a 1911-ish Sig P938 for warm weather clothes and hiking. Again, 8 rds plus another mag are enough for me unless I'm zombie hunting. I hear a lot of folks like me a re going back to single stacks.
As for the DWX-C? Sorry, but I don't plan to update this thread. Someone else can. Dan Wesson might have had me with the DWX-C six months ago. But now, I have no use for it. And, to be honest, taking two classic but very different designs like the 1911 and the CZ 75, each near perfect and beautiful in its own way, and sticking them together has produced an ugly gimmick, IMO. DW doesn't need that to sell more guns in the current climate. We'll have to see if it is ever produced.
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"The long delay has given me time to reflect and reconsider whether I really want a high cap DA/SA for my carry gun."
I thought the DWX was a SAO with CZ ergos? Then again, it's been long enough to forget.
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"The long delay has given me time to reflect and reconsider whether I really want a high cap DA/SA for my carry gun."
I thought the DWX was a SAO with CZ ergos? Then again, it's been long enough to forget.
Darnnit you're right, Earl. It has been a long time. And this thing makes even less sense to me now.
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"The long delay has given me time to reflect and reconsider whether I really want a high cap DA/SA for my carry gun."
I thought the DWX was a SAO with CZ ergos? Then again, it's been long enough to forget.
Darnnit you're right, Earl. It has been a long time. And this thing makes even less sense to me now.
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It's interesting that I started this thread in spring 2020, and still no DWX. I wonder how CZ's recently announced acquisition of Colt might impact the timeline. The long delay has given me time to reflect and reconsider whether I really want a high cap DA/SA for my carry gun. My thinking has changed in that time. I took some more tactical training. I picked up a CZ 75 Shadow Black SA from CZC. And I recently decided to stick with and train on one manual of arms- Single Action. I still love CZ's, but I found out I'm not smart enough or good enough under pressure to remember you can't let your thumb ride a decocker like a safety on a 1911 to control recoil. I sold my CZC Custom PCR to a friend and picked up another 1911.
My carry rotation now includes a Dan Wesson Vigil Commander and an Ed Brown Stainless KC-9. On the rare occasion I think 10 rounds + another full mag I'm training to switch quickly aren't enough, I'll carry the Shadow. I'm currently having some work done and dressing it up for that eventuality. I don't mind the little extra weight over the PCR as I now carry the 1911s anyway. Same motion on all of them- draw, present, depress safety, bang. All incredibly accurate. All have a straight trigger with short reset. I also carry a 1911-ish Sig P938 for warm weather clothes and hiking. Again, 8 rds plus another mag are enough for me unless I'm zombie hunting. I hear a lot of folks like me a re going back to single stacks.
As for the DWX-C? Sorry, but I don't plan to update this thread. Someone else can. Dan Wesson might have had me with the DWX-C six months ago. But now, I have no use for it. And, to be honest, taking two classic but very different designs like the 1911 and the CZ 75, each near perfect and beautiful in its own way, and sticking them together has produced an ugly gimmick, IMO. DW doesn't need that to sell more guns in the current climate. We'll have to see if it is ever produced.
Ironically I've moved in somewhat the opposite direction, but being left handed I don't have to worry about riding the decocker. I've been considering a move to appendix carry, and the cocked and locked 1911s, as well as most of the striker fired polymer pistols, sort of give me the willies when carried in that location. Controlling the hammer when holstering a DA/SA pistol, coupled with the longer double action pull, seems preferable, but of course it's just a feeling. I have no analytical evidence that supports my concerns or solution. As between the 1911 and a striker fired polymer, I think I'd prefer the 1911 with the thumb and grip safety, although the DWX wouldn't have a grip safety so I'm not sure I would want to carry it in an appendix location. Presently, the pistol I feel most comfortable carrying appendix is a P7, but then you forgo a double stack unless you want to dish out for a P7M13.
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is this gun going to come out at all?
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is this gun going to come out at all?
One day.... ;)
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is this gun going to come out at all?
One day.... ;)
what are you basing this assumption on
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what are you basing this assumption on
hunch... ;)
DWX was introduced in 2019 before Covid. Because of Market's interest there was no reason to drop that project.
As you can notice, everything is slow these days. Let's give Dan Wesson some time to produce / order parts and start making this pistol.
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my estimate for availability - late summer 2022.
why do I say that?
When I was still a Pro-Staff demo rep for the company that used to handle CZ in the upper Midwest, I put in a pre-order for a full-sized DWX in .40 at a significant discount from MSRP. Set aside the cash to pay for it.
After the world ended in 2020, CZ stopped having demos and changed the relation with the companies which represented them. I am no longer Pro-Staff, so I don't expect to see the pre-order honored by CZ/DW.
Instead I commissioned a blade from a Master Bladesmith. I will be spending most of the price of the DWX on this. Based on the smith's lead time, I expect my blade to be finished July/August of next year. Once I spend the reserved $$$ for it, the DWX will then become available.
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my estimate for availability - late summer 2022.
I heard the same from few people who went crazy about getting this pistol.
I hope you all are right about it. This model is really needed on the market !
The bad news I heard was that Dan Wesson didn't plan to get optic cut on the slide... :(
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do you even iron sights?
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do you even iron sights?
I'm not sure what are you asking about?
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do you even iron sights?
I've ironed shirts and ties before job interviews, but I never iron sights ;D
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my estimate for availability - late summer 2022.
why do I say that?
When I was still a Pro-Staff demo rep for the company that used to handle CZ in the upper Midwest, I put in a pre-order for a full-sized DWX in .40 at a significant discount from MSRP. Set aside the cash to pay for it.
After the world ended in 2020, CZ stopped having demos and changed the relation with the companies which represented them. I am no longer Pro-Staff, so I don't expect to see the pre-order honored by CZ/DW.
Instead I commissioned a blade from a Master Bladesmith. I will be spending most of the price of the DWX on this. Based on the smith's lead time, I expect my blade to be finished July/August of next year. Once I spend the reserved $$$ for it, the DWX will then become available.
Finally, some real science! Looking forward to Aug '22. ;)
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my estimate for availability - late summer 2022.
why do I say that?
When I was still a Pro-Staff demo rep for the company that used to handle CZ in the upper Midwest, I put in a pre-order for a full-sized DWX in .40 at a significant discount from MSRP. Set aside the cash to pay for it.
After the world ended in 2020, CZ stopped having demos and changed the relation with the companies which represented them. I am no longer Pro-Staff, so I don't expect to see the pre-order honored by CZ/DW.
Instead I commissioned a blade from a Master Bladesmith. I will be spending most of the price of the DWX on this. Based on the smith's lead time, I expect my blade to be finished July/August of next year. Once I spend the reserved $$$ for it, the DWX will then become available.
Finally, some real science! Looking forward to Aug '22. ;)
more like a SWAG (Scientific Wild-ass Guess), since wild donkeys can be quite knowledgeable when polled scientifically
it will only become available when the cash that was allocated for it nearly 2 years ago gets spent on something else.
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I contacted Dan Wesson about the availability of the Dan Wesson Compact and was told that they tentatively expect it to be available by July of 2023.
Of course we all know that is just an estimate, but at least it's something to shoot for.
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picked mine up today at my LGS ;D
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picked mine up today at my LGS ;D
Lucky! First impressions?
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do you even iron sights?
I've ironed shirts and ties before job interviews, but I never iron sights ;D
Isn’t it iron-ic? Don’tcha think?