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GENERAL => General Firearms Discussion => Topic started by: lewmed on August 19, 2021, 11:33:09 PM
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I was at a local gun shop yesterday and saw they had a used P365 for sale so I gave it a fast look over and found it to be a new pistol that a customer had just traded in. The shop being honest couldn't sell as a new pistol so it was listed as used for $370. Well to make a long story short I now own 2 Sig P-365's and the new one has all the upgrades. My plan for 2021 was to start selling off a few guns and I did sell 2 but I've replaced them with 6 more do you think I need a keeper ?
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Congrats. Very good deal. I carry the XL. Best carry guns on the market imo
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Man, that was a steal. I carry a P365XL, it has been great.
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Why can I never find these deals
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I think you got ripped off. You should be able to get the P-365 for $365 not $370. I think you should go demand a $5 refund.
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Wow, that is quite a score, congrats!
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Nice find! 8)
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Sweet deal! You’re just doing what comes natural to gun enthusiasts. Don’t try to fight it. ;D I bought my P365 on special in 2019 for $399.99. It came with a 10, 12, and 15 round magazine.
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That’s 200 off, steal
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Man, that was a steal. I carry a P365XL, it has been great.
Me too it’s sweet
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I’d check the manufacture date. The P365 has had a lot of issues since they were introduced. Then shoot the hell out of it to shake it down because they continue to have issues, especially with the internal plastic and (cheap) Indian MIM parts (i.e. the striker). I don’t trust mine to carry with a round in the chamber - all the safety features depend on one Indian MIM tab on the striker, unlike most other striker fire pistols that have multiple separate redundant safety features to keep the thing from shooting your junk off. Sig Talk is probably the best, more or less objective / non fanboy website to explore these issues.
The thing is, once you go to the time trouble and expense to upgrade from the problematic oem parts, the P365 ain’t so cheap anymore.
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My first P365 a NRA edition was produced May of 2019 the only issue with it was a striker cover plate that wouldn't stay in place. That pistol was sent back to Sig and was repaired with a new designed cover and striker and back home in 9 days. Like you I was a bit antsy trusting it for a while but I've trained with it at least twice a month for over two years and it hasn't missed a lick in over 5,000 rounds. All I've done to it is replace recoil springs and keep it clean and lubed. Sig did everyone a disservice by releasing the P365 with defective parts early on but the little leg on the back of the striker isn't a bad design and it's working just fine on over 2,000,000 pistols. I worry more about a discharge when holstering this micro pistol so I added a safety to use only when holstering it. Oh yes one more thing my new P365 was produced Oct. 2020 and has all the upgraded parts. I just finished loading 1,500 RMR 124 gr JHP's and I will be on vacation in the high country shooting some steel next week I'll let you know if it survives the test.
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My first P365 a NRA edition was produced May of 2019 the only issue with it was a striker cover plate that wouldn't stay in place. That pistol was sent back to Sig and was repaired with a new designed cover and striker and back home in 9 days. Like you I was a bit antsy trusting it for a while but I've trained with it at least twice a month for over two years and it hasn't missed a lick in over 5,000 rounds. All I've done to it is replace recoil springs and keep it clean and lubed. Sig did everyone a disservice by releasing the P365 with defective parts early on but the little leg on the back of the striker isn't a bad design and it's working just fine on over 2,000,000 pistols. I worry more about a discharge when holstering this micro pistol so I added a safety to use only when holstering it. Oh yes one more thing my new P365 was produced Oct. 2020 and has all the upgraded parts. I just finished loading 1,500 RMR 124 gr JHP's and I will be on vacation in the high country shooting some steel next week I'll let you know if it survives the test.
Well, the cheap Sig Indian MIM striker is fine — until it breaks, whenever that is, hopefully not when the shtf or spontaneously discharging in your pocket. Fortunately for those who like the P365s, an aftermarket forged striker, Lightning Strike, is now available for $95.
Personally, after trying the P365XL and the FN 509c (which also comes with a MIM striker, but better safety features), I’m going back to the good ol’ Rami BD, machined for a rds and a rail.
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Wouldn't the firing pin block safety prevent a discharge unless trigger is pulled anyways even if it was to break?
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Wouldn't the firing pin block safety prevent a discharge unless trigger is pulled anyways even if it was to break?
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It depends where the tab breaks. If it breaks at the juncture with the striker, there’s nothing stopping the fully-cocked striker from hitting the primer and going off. I won’t have it: Ron Cohen-approved, customer-beta-testing cheap-ass Indian MIM parts involved, pointing a cocked and loaded gun at the family jewels.
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I see what you're saying. But to best of my knowledge it would then collide with the firing pin safety block. Then that will only lift out of the way with a trigger pull. And if it's broke will have already expended its energy against the block device. And just basically do nuttin once trigger is pulled. Only way I see that scenario firing is if it broke literally while u had the trigger pulled. I'm no gun expert. But that's why they have firing pin block safeties is how i understand it
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Please tell me MeatAx where and how do you plan to CC your Rami with a rds and a rail ? I'm a small guy and can't hide my Rami very well. I love my Rami BD and it's decocker makes it a much safer gun to carry but it's a chunk. When I carry mine it's at about 4:30 ITWB but I always bang on things like door frames and getting in and out of my car. When I carry my P938 or P365 at 4:30 ITWB in my custom made holster they disappear.
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Please tell me MeatAx where and how do you plan to CC your Rami with a rds and a rail ? I'm a small guy and can't hide my Rami very well. I love my Rami BD and it's decocker makes it a much safer gun to carry but it's a chunk. When I carry mine it's at about 4:30 ITWB but I always bang on things like door frames and getting in and out of my car. When I carry my P938 or P365 at 4:30 ITWB in my custom made holster they disappear.
(Smaller) size isn’t everything in a concealed carry gun. It’s also how it shoots and how efficiently you hit and neutralize threats. Red dot sights on a pistol are a quantum leap forward, along with a compact light / laser. How to conceal a slightly larger compact pistol with those features? I always wear Large untucked loose fitting shirts or pullovers, that both conceal and provide easy access to my weapon.
My main problem with Ron Cohen’s SIG is that they release their weapons prematurely and use their customers as beta testers - and then abandon their customers for replacement parts when they drop a model or variant. Plus, they use a lot of cheap plastic and Indian MIM internal parts. That makes their guns more profitable for Sig, but doesn’t help their customers at all. Lots of quality control and design problems eventually sorted out at customer expense. The thing is they may have finally fixed some of their issues, but who knows what other issues are going to come up as the rounds increase, especially with cheap but critical plastic and MIM parts.
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My main problem with Ron Cohen’s SIG is that they release their weapons prematurely and use their customers as beta testers - and then abandon their customers for replacement parts when they drop a model or variant. Plus, they use a lot of cheap plastic and Indian MIM internal parts. That makes their guns more profitable for Sig, but doesn’t help their customers at all. Lots of quality control and design problems eventually sorted out at customer expense. The thing is they may have finally fixed some of their issues, but who knows what other issues are going to come up as the rounds increase, especially with cheap but critical plastic and MIM parts.
Yes Cohen created issues at Sig just like he created issues at Kimber. QC was the problem not the MIM parts. You can't hammer Sig without piling on S&W's poor roll out of the M&P line over 20 years ago, Springfield has had their share of issues and recalls, Walther, and lets not forget the very poor roll out of the CZ P10 series which was a direct shot across glocks bow but fell short early on. Glock has been less than stellar in some of their recent generations too.
That Indian facility where Sig gets their MIM parts is also making parts for many other gun companies so do a bit of research on who they produce for and you might be surprised. I don't know yet who CZ is sourcing from or if they do it in house but I know the sear cage and trigger bar in my most recent CZ's are MIM although the quality looks good so they function as well as my older models.
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I was at a local gun shop yesterday and saw they had a used P365 for sale so I gave it a fast look over and found it to be a new pistol that a customer had just traded in. The shop being honest couldn't sell as a new pistol so it was listed as used for $370. Well to make a long story short I now own 2 Sig P-365's and the new one has all the upgrades. My plan for 2021 was to start selling off a few guns and I did sell 2 but I've replaced them with 6 more do you think I need a keeper ?
Congratulations, buddy. Hope you put many rounds through it at the range.
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The current production P365's don't worry me at all what bothers me is how many early production pistols are sitting in peoples underwear drawer or the top of there closet unfired that are just waiting to fail. Sig did indeed do us all a disservice not just on the P365 but several of there recent pistols !
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Hopefully this aftermarket heat-treated stainless steel striker will remedy the major potential problems and concerns with the P365:
https://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/action-parts/firing-pin-parts/firing-pins/sig-sauer-p365-steel-striker-prod123392.aspx
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I would have snagged it in a skinny heartbeat. Great acquisition in my opinion
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I'm back form vacation in Colorado and I had a chance to shoot some 8" steel targets at 20 and 25 yards with my new Sig P365. I put about 1000 rounds through it with only one stoppage and it was my fault a high primer. After adjusting my point of aim a bit for having to shoot at a slight down hill angle on our makeshift range I found it easy to hit the 8" plates. My old P365 has a much better trigger so the new 365 won't be be my new EDCC but it is a keeper. And no other small pistol can ever feel as good in my hand or shoot as well as my Rami BD.
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10 shots....23yds.......I have no complaints with my 365XL.
(https://i.imgur.com/XOqLjix.jpg)
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I always try to find these deals but strike out. Nice work
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nice find!
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Right on! good deal