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CZ LONG ARMS => VZ-58 semi auto rifle => Topic started by: RSR on December 22, 2014, 02:09:57 PM
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NEA handguards back in stock
http://www.theammosource.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=14_288_290
I just added 2-2" rails, 1-4" rail, and the handguard set to my cart. Total is $317.59 CAD delivered, ~$286 USD.
My initial evaluation of the NEA and bonesteel is that I prefer the NEA. But I haven't shot w/ the bonesteel handguard I've just received yet. (Plan to do a writeup at some point.)
And even if I prefer the NEA, I'm uncertain if I prefer them $100 more...
Do I wish Troy still made their set of upper and lower handguards and 2-2" rails for sub $200, and they're 922r too! (Still think Manticore should look into acquiring the license to produce these, with perhaps two upper options, one standard and one in line w/ their top cover rail mount...)
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Geez... at these prices I think I really like that drilled wooden one!! You could paint it black and then sort of give it a stippled look. May actually turn out to look nice.
I actually really like the Mako handguard myself. But I've heard the top rail, since it's made of plastic, doesn't hold zero very well. Meaning you need a scope mount for the receiver cover area. And those are pricey too.
I'm not sure how much sense it makes to spend more on the accessories than you spent on the gun.
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Some have done mako polymer lowers plus NEA uppers.
For a red dot, the Mako is fine I'd imagine... But it doesn't cowitness w/ Irons if that's something you desire.
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Sent them an email for the upper handguard. Couldn't figure out how to sign up. Its probably obvious, but hopefully they will contact me.
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These certainly seem expensive, especially if you paid 400 bucks for the rifle but I guess you get what you pay for.
For just the upper handguard plus shipping ($18.96) I get $93.75 USD (edit - fixed mistake here)
For the upper and lower set plus the 4" and one 2" rail plus shipping I get $244.04 USD
The Bonesteel aren't that much cheaper for just the upper but for the set I guess how much cheaper Bonesteel is depends on how many rails you'd need on the NEA lower. The big question is how long would you need to wait for them, if you can get them at all.
For the upper alone it's $102.95 shipped
For the upper and lower set it's $172.95 shipped.
Personally, I prefer the NEA lower design but only because I feel it follows the original lines more. The Bonesteel lowers change the look of the gun too much for my taste.
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Sent them an email for the upper handguard. Couldn't figure out how to sign up. Its probably obvious, but hopefully they will contact me.
You just place an order. Click on each item. And then you'll see add to cart. Then checkout per usual.
Use capitol one or some other no fee travel card to save yourself the foreign transaction fees though...
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These certainly seem expensive, especially if you paid 400 bucks for the rifle but I guess you get what you pay for.
For just the upper handguard plus the 4" rail, plus shipping ($18.80) I get $121.81 USD
For the upper and lower set plus the 4" and one 2" rail plus shipping I get $244.04 USD
The Bonesteel aren't that much cheaper for just the upper but for the set I guess how much cheaper Bonesteel is depends on how many rails you'd need on the NEA lower. The big question is how long would you need to wait for them, if you can get them at all.
For the upper alone it's $102.95 shipped
For the upper and lower set it's $172.95 shipped.
Personally, I prefer the NEA lower design but only because I feel it follows the original lines more. The Bonesteel lowers change the look of the gun too much for my taste.
Bottom, only the small rail will fit. And the small rail is sufficient to mount an AFG or other grip.
Support hand side, I like the long rail for heat deflection as well as a continuous surface for my hand being mounted against.
Opposite side, I have a small rail for flashlight mount or other accessory if needed. Better to have and not need, than not have and need...
Also, NEA does sit slightly higher than bonesteel. But it is a much more substantial rail in pretty much every respect. And its design is also such that it prevents things from falling into the handguard, unlike Bonesteel. Whether NEA is "overbuilt" or that extra bulk is critical is quite fairly up for discussion. But that's my primary takeaway.
Lowers Bonesteel is better ventilated and has much more rail space -- for NEA, more rails means less ventilation. Also, Bonesteel, you don't have to worry about rails working themselves loose.
But, for Bonesteel in hand, the lower is almost too wide. Wider than AR quad rails. And I haven't mounted it yet to try, but I also don't think the bonesteel will be friendly to the gogun gas pedal, which it and the AFG make a pretty much perfect forehand grip w/ my Troy/NEA, and do a very good job of minimizing heat on the support hand. Without the Gas pedal on bonesteel, support hand thumb ends up on top rail right next to where the pistol in exhausting the gas (point of greatest heat). Not ideal.
My Daniels Defense Omega rail: 1.9", 48.3mm.
Bonesteel: 2.15", 54.5mm.
In comparison my Midwest Industries Galil Quad Rail is 2.25"/57.3mm, but feels much narrower -- I think it has to be something to do with the wide rail sitting so low to the palm of the hand, but not certain...
**PAUSE**
So ran through these again. Bonesteel the meat of thumb ends up atop the side rail. NEA is about 2/3 on and 1/3 off the rail and the Midwest and Daniels both run palm entirely on the rail. That's the hangup with bonesteel. I can rotate my palm more under the barrel , but then I'm not using the same grip on the afg as I"m used too... Not sure if I'm describing correctly, but the meat of the thumb, portion of palm connected to thumb is what I'm describing...
Bottom line, bonesteel is high enough that my thumb sits atop the side rail and is the only quad rail I have where a c-clamp grip would be described as natural. It'd be hot, but natural... Without an AFG that grip would probably be worse...
Looks like I've gone and convinced myself to spend more $ on upgrading my 2nd tacticool VZ2008 to an NEA fore-end at some point...
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Thanks for the heads up RSR. Placed my order this morning around 4am. 20$ shipping, but this is going to finally allow cowitness with a red dot. Now I have to buy another red dot.
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If all I want to do is swap the upper handguard to put a reddot on it do I have to buy anything besides the upper?
http://www.theammosource.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=942
I have a Czechpoint VZ with the polymer handguards if that makes a difference.
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All you need is the upper. I've seen the CSA polymer lower and the NEA upper on a few vz's.
I have the NEA/Troy set and I really like it. Glad these are available again.
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bota, can you post a picture?
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Well just went ahead and ordered the upper handguard. I figured I needed an optic to go along with that as the only thing I have is a Vortex Sparc 2 on my braced M92 Pap pistol so...also ordered an Aimpoint Pro.
Merry Christmas to myself I guess :-\
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What kind of range can I expect out of these VZ2008's? As in, at what distance can an average shooter consistently hit a pie plate? I'm thinking these guns are much more suitable to a 1-4x or 1-6x scope than a red dot. But since I don't have mine in hand yet, maybe I'm hoping for more than they can deliver.
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8"steel plate can be hit every time at 200 yards with a TRS25 red dot. I hit full size silhouettes at 325 and decent shooters have done the same with my rifle. That being said, it does come down to the shooters skill. I'd rather have 6 guys with skills and lever action 3030's than 60 average guys with AR's.
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What kind of range can I expect out of these VZ2008's? As in, at what distance can an average shooter consistently hit a pie plate? I'm thinking these guns are much more suitable to a 1-4x or 1-6x scope than a red dot. But since I don't have mine in hand yet, maybe I'm hoping for more than they can deliver.
For me, a pie plate at 100 yards is very doable with iron sights. I had to switch from using a center-of-mass sight picture to a six-o'clock-hold due to the front sight being so fat and obscuring that sized target at that distance. With the trajectory of 7.62x39, it's possible to sight the rifle in so that it's relatively accurate with both center-of-mass-hold for quick shots under 50 yards as well as more careful shooting with six-o'clock-hold at 100 yards. Anything past that requires moving the rear sight ladder.
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So can a decent shooter consistently hit that 8" target at 300 yards? If yes, I'd say that requires a scope with magnification, not irons or a red dot.
I tend to reserve my red dots for 100 yards. Max 150 yards. It depends on the red dot scope. But it's usually tough to really tell where that dot is exactly at those longer distances. I am hoping this VZ2008 is going to show me more accuracy than my SKS does. But the 7.62x39 cartridge isn't known to be a particularly accurate caliber.
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Problem is that scopes with magnification would typically run long enough to potentially be banged w/ ejecting brass. Which leaves you w/ a scout scope type setup...
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It's not the caliber, but the rifle and shooter which determine accuracy. We have a Guy that shoots here quite often with a bolt action 7.62x39 hunting rifle. it is 1MOA machine at the most. He converted the rifle from another caliber and shoots only brass ammo he reloads himself.
Personally, even in my 50's I prefer red dots to scopes. The red dot is only there because my eyes can see only blurred irons. These rifles are probably 3 MOA rifles so a 9" plate at 300 is within the capabilities with a red dot or a scope. I will take mine to the next 500 we have next month and see how she does at 400 and 500 with a dot.
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There is a reason so many competition shooters are using the 1-4 and 1-6x scopes. You get the same up close CQB picture that makes the red dots so popular. But you also get the magnification to make much longer shots. Saying a red dot is as good as a magnified optic is like saying scopes are useless at longer ranges.
Some caliber's ballistics lend themselves to long rang accuracy and some do not. I don't think you would see a 7.62x39 at an F class shoot. But I guess anything is possible if you work at it hard enough. It's really a caliber that I would limit to 300 yard shots, as you indicate. And probably 200 yard shots, depending on the gun. I am hoping the VZ2008 will get me to 300 yards with reasonable consistency on an 8" target, as it sounds to be more accurate than most 7.62x39 guns.
What size MOA dot do you have on your red dot? Hopefully a 1 or 2.
RSR, so you're saying a scope mounted on the receiver cover will get dinged up by the ejecting brass? How does the scope length affect that? Does it have to be a short scope mounted all the way to the rear to keep from getting hit by the brass?
Oh... and Merry Christmas everyone!
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I have a set of these handguards.
I really like the setup.
The problem is, the detent and spring were lost during my move last month.
Can anybody please post a pic of these and maybe some measurements?
I've been email around and can't locate a replacement set.
Thanks!
ETA:
I found replacements...http://www.theammosource.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=2563
Kinda spendy, but my hand guards are useless without these.
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Will these or any co witness with an eotech? Doesnt seem like it could be that much lower.
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Possibly bonesteel, but doubtful. Eotechs sit much higher than micro dots.
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I have a set of these handguards.
I really like the setup.
The problem is, the detent and spring were lost during my move last month.
Can anybody please post a pic of these and maybe some measurements?
I've been email around and can't locate a replacement set.
Thanks!
ETA:
I found replacements...http://www.theammosource.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=2563
Kinda spendy, but my hand guards are useless without these.
Is this what you're looking for
http://www.cncwarrior.com/VZ-58-Upper-Handguard-Spring-p/25090.htm
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Standard detent pin and spring work in my Troy handguard, though I had to shorten the spring/cut it in 1/2 or so...
CNC Warrior sells both for a couple bucks.
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From SFRC-The Ammo Source (South Frontenac Rental):
Christmas/Boxing week sales start now.
Use the code "boxingweek" at checkout for 10% off you order.
Makes the hanguards w/ 2 short and 1 long rail less than $250 USD delivered...
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From SFRC-The Ammo Source (South Frontenac Rental):
Christmas/Boxing week sales start now.
Use the code "boxingweek" at checkout for 10% off you order.
Makes the hanguards w/ 2 short and 1 long rail less than $250 USD delivered...
Thanks, RSR! I can confirm that 'boxingweek' does work for a 10% discount.
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Yep, sorry -- their promo email from today or yesterday.
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I have an account with them but I didn't subscribe to their list, I guess. I almost placed an order before seeing your post so it saved me money, err, gave me an excuse to buy one more rail for the same price...
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If you're looking to place an NEA handguard order, there is also there AR stock adapter available in quantities of 3. believe its more straight than Czechpoint's and has a sling loop: http://www.theammosource.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=14_288_290&products_id=940
Only 3 in stock though, so jump fast.
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I just pulled the trigger on the NEA upper. I'm assuming that since it is a Canadian store, the prices are in Canadian so I'm hoping that the $86.95 price ends up being about 20% lower due to the conversion rate after it clears my card, which would put in under $70. Can anyone confirm?
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I bought from Corwin and the visa charged 20%, and then added a 5$ something fee lol.
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What???
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Sorry im not exactly thinking straight but ill concentrate now haha. Last week on a 200$+ order the visa charged me .79xx % of the total. So yes we Americans did get a nice discount due to exchange rates. Then there was some mystery 5$ fee from visa that I attribute to using a currency exchange, I dont know but am happy to recieve the lower price.
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Got it. Thanks for the clarification.
Are you going from beaver barf to NEA top guard?
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Im trying to add a railled topcover and "special forces" muzzle device. I am heavilly interested in the NEA handguards. The vz2008 currently has beaverbarf. I am quite fond of the original folding stock and have no plans on replacing it.
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I only got the upper handguard since I already have the fab handguards. Very happy with it. Cowitnessed perfectly with the tsr25 red dot. I to am keeping the VZ folding stock.
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Did you try the red dot on the FAB upper?
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Cowitnessed perfectly with the tsr25 red dot. I to am keeping the VZ folding stock.
This is exactly what my goal is. Already have the TSR25.
And thanks for the info the exchange. Even with the shipping, that's a pretty good deal.
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Wont cowitness with the Fab upper. You can see the front post thru the picatinny rail itself. Almost don't need the rear sight.
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I bought from Corwin and the visa charged 20%, and then added a 5$ something fee lol.
Yes, you have to use a card w/ no foreign transaction fees! Otherwise, the CC companies add all sorts of crap. Capitol One's no hassle or whatever they're called now have no foreign fees as do most travel cards...
But yes, your cc should automatically do the foreign exchange rate conversions automatically...
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With nea upper and fab lower you don't have a designed side rail... You'd only have top and bottom. Just fyi.
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I don't want co-witness. But I am concerned about a polymer upper holding zero. Has anyone tried the Fab Defense top handguard with an optic to see if it will hold zero?
I do want a light on a side rail. And an AFG on the bottom rail, so I don't have to worry (so much) about the heat issue.
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Bottom, only the small rail will fit. And the small rail is sufficient to mount an AFG or other grip.
Support hand side, I like the long rail for heat deflection as well as a continuous surface for my hand being mounted against.
Opposite side, I have a small rail for flashlight mount or other accessory if needed. Better to have and not need, than not have and need...
Also, NEA does sit slightly higher than bonesteel. But it is a much more substantial rail in pretty much every respect. And its design is also such that it prevents things from falling into the handguard, unlike Bonesteel. Whether NEA is "overbuilt" or that extra bulk is critical is quite fairly up for discussion. But that's my primary takeaway.
Lowers Bonesteel is better ventilated and has much more rail space -- for NEA, more rails means less ventilation. Also, Bonesteel, you don't have to worry about rails working themselves loose.
But, for Bonesteel in hand, the lower is almost too wide. Wider than AR quad rails. And I haven't mounted it yet to try, but I also don't think the bonesteel will be friendly to the gogun gas pedal, which it and the AFG make a pretty much perfect forehand grip w/ my Troy/NEA, and do a very good job of minimizing heat on the support hand. Without the Gas pedal on bonesteel, support hand thumb ends up on top rail right next to where the pistol in exhausting the gas (point of greatest heat). Not ideal.
My Daniels Defense Omega rail: 1.9", 48.3mm.
Bonesteel: 2.15", 54.5mm.
In comparison my Midwest Industries Galil Quad Rail is 2.25"/57.3mm, but feels much narrower -- I think it has to be something to do with the wide rail sitting so low to the palm of the hand, but not certain...
**PAUSE**
So ran through these again. Bonesteel the meat of thumb ends up atop the side rail. NEA is about 2/3 on and 1/3 off the rail and the Midwest and Daniels both run palm entirely on the rail. That's the hangup with bonesteel. I can rotate my palm more under the barrel , but then I'm not using the same grip on the afg as I"m used too... Not sure if I'm describing correctly, but the meat of the thumb, portion of palm connected to thumb is what I'm describing...
Bottom line, bonesteel is high enough that my thumb sits atop the side rail and is the only quad rail I have where a c-clamp grip would be described as natural. It'd be hot, but natural... Without an AFG that grip would probably be worse...
Looks like I've gone and convinced myself to spend more $ on upgrading my 2nd tacticool VZ2008 to an NEA fore-end at some point...
So I've posted before about how low the Bonesteel side rail sits, so thought I'd post some pics today while I was snapping some pics.
Here's the Galil Midwest Industries top vs the Bonesteel bottom. As mentioned, my thumb rides the top of the bonesteel rail, making a C clamp grip natural -- but that doesn't work if you're running a co-witness red dot... Otherwise, your thumb right there puts it at hot central...
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8602/16000028503_671dbfdce2_z.jpg)
Bonesteel top vs NEA/Troy bottom (though perhaps not entirely obvious from the pic, the NEA has about 2x the distance between rails as the bonesteel):
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8568/16593814346_87a16fcf71_z.jpg)
*Worth mentioning that the bottom rail, I leave the front most hole open for increased ventilation there as well as most support for the AFG. And the long NEA side rail, allows some venting at the foremost side rail hole, and the sling swivel attachment hole offers add'l ventilation on the rear... To mount the gas pedal where I needed it, the sling swivel attachment hole would've been covered so I sent it to the rear... W/o the gas pedal, would probably help w/ ventilation/cooling to the front if you don't need to mount a sling...
And here's just the setup of the go gun gas pedal and AFG that I really like for the VZ58 -- this is the aluminum version that runs about $50 vs $15 polymer airsoft ones you can find. (Need to order some ODG rail covers...)
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8639/15997596664_bce5384eea_z.jpg)
In summary, the NEA handguard fits my hand similar to my AK/Galil and AR handguards where my thumb and the meat of my thumb rides the rail. Bonesteel has my thumb and most of the meat of my thumb riding the top of the side rail.
*Should mention that I'm looking to sell this Bonesteel rail and will separate w/ it at cost plus shipping. Didn't use Bonesteel's screw adhesive, just blue loctite, so all the adjustment screws should be easily removed and no modifications were made to the rails. Also have a black aluminum gas pedal I don't have an immediate need for that I'd sell for $50 delivered (installed but never left the house) if anyone is looking. Essentially same price as gogun but free shipping. PM me for either.
http://store.gogunusa.com/Gas-Pedal-for-Rifles_c5.htm
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Went to install my new NEA rail set today (swapping out the bonesteel), and the bolts/screws included to install the short rails are not the correct spec...
They are 17mm in length from top of head to bottom of screw/bolt. Previously, I have ordered the same items and received 13.85mm screws/bolts measured the same.
I email SFRC to see if/how they'll correct.
And the screws worked to install the bottom rail, but the sides, the screws impacted the barrel before tightening down the rails. At this price, they should correct... Will loop back once I have a resolution.
Also, when installing these aluminum rails, I cannot emphasize enough the importance of greasing the backside of the rail and receiver where they meet. Saved me from filing the front end on both the bonesteel and NEA vs my somewhat ignorant first attempt.
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/25gweol.jpg)
1. Grease blue section of rail all the way from top to bottom, backside facing the receiver (didn't mark blue on the pic past the lug portion to not confuse/cloud the tapping marks, but from top to bottom of the rear you'll want to grease the full thing, including past the lug). You'll also want to grease the forward surface of the front lower receiver against which this piece will rest. So grease on both surfaces that interact.
2. Install green portion in your front lower handguard retainer (previously where I filed 1/8" or so off, but have since learned is unnecessary).
3. I've found it easiest to upend rifle (use a muzzle device or otherwise protect crown). So arrow would face down and also the direction you tap. You'll tap the lug surface indicated by yellow line. Your support hand will hold the barrel and lower handguard. While you tap w/ rubber mallet/gunsmith hammer, you'll squeeze with your support hand to install. Once you get it installed to the point where you don't have space to tap, a hand squeeze should seat the rest of the way, but if it doesn't, just tap from the outside bottom towards top to seat (tap area just above the yellow arrow head).
Super fast and easy install.
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Just 4 NEA handguards left in stock right now. And they're running a 10% off sale -- in addition to 1 canadian = 80 US cents (roughly an add'l 20% discount).
Here's the info:
As I am sure many of you are aware, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that the gov't of Quebec could not keep the Federal long gun registry data.
To celebrate that great victory for gun owners we are having a 10% off sale.
Use the discount code "Quebec" during checkout to get the discount.
If you don't enter the code during checkout, we can't manually apply it
later.
This sale code can't be used for past orders.
This sale is active from Mar 28th at 4pm until Mar 30th at 6pm EST.
You can use the code as many times as you want be but we can't combine
multiple orders.
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*Forgot to mention -- SFRC/NEA are now shipping short screws w/ all their rails.
They sent me replacement screws when I asked -- haven't received them yet, but allegedly they are in the mail about a week now. Got bounced from SFRC to NEA after a few bounces at SFRC... No issues, they just weren't sure who should help me and responses took awhile and repeated followup to get them. But again per both NEA and SFRC, all VZ58 rails ship w/ the short screws.
**And be sure to see my rail install instructions earlier in this thread!
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Received what were supposedly the correct short screws the other day... They were not in fact the correct sized screws. Smaller shaft diameter and faster threading... If you too received replacement screws, don't install as you'll only strip out the back/inside threaded plate.
Additionally, they said they corrected the screws on all rails sold from SFRC... So if they're sending the same screws w/ the rails, also use caution there.
Left to right is the new screw they sent me. Next to it are the old screws w/ correct threading/thread pitch. Much slower... Note that the longer screw will work in bottom rail location and run 17mm in overall length. But the longer screw (sent w/ short rails) will not work in a side rail location as it bottoms out on your barrel... The shorter, 14mm in overall length, was sent w/ my long rail and is the correct size -- what should have been issued with all.
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2d2at7c.jpg)
The 14mm screws allow the rails to be installed in any and all of the NEA rail holes, except the last two on the side that are prohibited by the receiver being beneath.
I have notified SFRC/NEA today of the continued mixup and will loop back with updates.
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Only update here is that I finally got the correct screws from NEA (after sending them pictures of what the correctly sized screws looked like -- contact was unsure b/c "they haven't produced VZ58 parts in quite some time" -- or something to that effect), but they only sent me half the # of screws I needed for the rails I've ordered/own and less than they said would be sent... So the saga continues... Two emails and no response from the NEA rep, so looks like I'll have to have SFRC and have them help get the follow to be responsive...
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Came across this vid of the gas pedal I'm a big fan of. They make a billeted aluminum version as well as polymer. Polymer is much cheaper than aluminum though recommend aluminum on VZ58s due them being exposed to a lot of heat...
$16.50 polymer on sale right now: http://www.amazon.com/GoGun%C2%AE-Pedal%C2%AE-Thumb-Assist-Shotgun/dp/B00RY581IW/
$55 for the aluminum: http://store.gogunusa.com/AR-Gas-Pedal-Aluminum-in-Earth-Lava-Shield-w-Chromoly-Screw-GPRS-AL-LSE-CSS-115.htm
Black, Earth, and OD Green colors available.
Anyhow, here's the vid:
https://youtu.be/6G33QGT0nZU
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Finally got the correctly sized screws in last week. ::)
They also included a free short rail -- though this was on/for orders of 4 sets of handguards and a dozen rails, so not a stellar deal but something. ;D
Also wanted to mention -- the way the backplates are threaded on these, there appears to be only one correct orientation... So see which side allows you to thread in easily, and which won't. Then ensure you install the backplate and screw correctly... I leave one screw in the correct way and start the screw through the other hole before removing the initial screw, pushing the backing plate down, and then reinstalling the initial screw through the rail.
Remember, 14mm overall length screws allow you to install in side location. 17mm will not.
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Agh - looks like the top and bottom set is no longer available!! Any idea where I can get a complete set?
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RSR, I also got two sets of the short rail with the long screws from SFRC. Where did you eventually succeed in getting your replacements from - NEA or SFRC? Thanks.
Finally got the correctly sized screws in last week. ::)
Remember, 14mm overall length screws allow you to install in side location. 17mm will not.
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Contact SFRC customer service. NEA sent them, but SFRC was the intermediary...
SFRC is the NEA storefront, so they're one and the same -- but hopefully it won't take them until the third try (like w/ me) now that they should know what's going on/be familiar w/ the issue...
*You can also cut the screws, but at the price these rails go for, I refused to waste my time modifying and settle for that option...
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Oh, I didn't realize they were the same outfit. Thanks, I'll contact SFRC this week. I could cut the screws but even if I did, I would still want them to send me the proper parts, for the same reason you mentioned. For now I'm covered, since I only need one set of each size for the afg / thumb rest combo I want to try out.
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Good deal. With the short VZ58 handguard the AFG and thumb rest/pedal really help me with controlling and pointing the weapon... Thumb forward also makes handholds/muscle memory more consistent from weapon to weapon. Let us know your thoughts!
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Will do. I put the two rails on yesterday and am about to order a FAB PTK + VTS set. I'd been leaning toward the AFG2 but have decided the PTK might suit me better.
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Haven't tried the fab yet -- mainly b/c their colors don't match magpul/my own notions of "ideal"... Fab FDE is more of a sand/light khaki tan. And their OD Green is more of a (brighter than OD) camo green... Black is black, and I do have a fab od green grip on one of my rifles but will be switching it to a ronin's here eventually... Keep hoping ronin gets his magpul fde tint together so I can order one of those too... Ronin grips being the galil ultra ones.
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They have the FAB PTK + VTS set on Ebay for 22 bucks, so I feel like I have little to lose. I'll post my impressions once I get them installed
Yeah black and greys make mine easier to match. I'm very happy with my Ronin's grip but I have the smooth version.
I'm also very happy with the NEA set so far. I have yet to try an optic on it but it really enhances the usefulness of the rifle, not to mention the looks. I like the way the rails fit in the holes, also and they seem very secure. Also, at this point - after a lot of tweaking - I am able to remove and replace the upper HG with just my fingers but it is nice and tight and I no longer worry about yanking the pin all the way out and losing the spring and ball.
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They have the FAB PTK + VTS set on Ebay for 22 bucks, so I feel like I have little to lose. I'll post my impressions once I get them installed
Yeah black and greys make mine easier to match. I'm very happy with my Ronin's grip but I have the smooth version.
I'm also very happy with the NEA set so far. I have yet to try an optic on it but it really enhances the usefulness of the rifle, not to mention the looks. I like the way the rails fit in the holes, also and they seem very secure. Also, at this point - after a lot of tweaking - I am able to remove and replace the upper HG with just my fingers but it is nice and tight and I no longer worry about yanking the pin all the way out and losing the spring and ball.
Wow, good to hear you were able to adjust the top rail for QD field maintenance / cleaning.
The proper adjustment has been elusive here. After several attempts to find the sweet spot, it still pulls out completely or is too tight to remove, (or both), even dripping in lube. Perhaps after ore use it will break in and allow some tightening.
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Yeah, the upper hg pin is not my favorite part of the set and the whole thing did take a lot of tweaking. It took several sessions of shaving the inner part that mates with the sight block, then shooting it, shaving a little more, shooting it, etc... It's all still pretty tight but I can pop the pin, pull it back and then pry the hg off using just my fingers, which was the goal. For the pin itself, I did polish it real well and even polished the BB as well as I could.
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Well, I contacted SFRC about the screws by way of their contact form on their site.
I did this on the evening of Mon the 10th (they're closed Mondays, btw). The next morning, I had a reply from NEA saying they would send me the screws. I got them today, the 26th. I asked for 4 screws for 2 sets but they sent me 8 screws. Now I have plenty of extras of both sizes. Pretty good customer service, I'd say. It was helpful that I already knew exactly what I needed and was able to give them the info they needed. I copied the message below just in case anyone else has the same problem.
Hi, I ordered 2 NEA Modular Rail segments (Model: CZSDR0001) the
Order number was #xxxxx
I received the rails along with the rest of the order but they
included screws that are too long. The screws are 17mm but should be
the 14mm ones that are now supplied with these rails.
Is it possible to have two sets (4 screws total) of 14mm screws sent
to replace these?
Thanks, (address included)
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Great.
Did you possibly hear if they will have any more top rails available in the near future?
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Since the reply was from someone on the NEA design team, I almost did say something about the popularity of the NEA sets in the vzor-eight community and resulting demand. I didn't but I might reply with a thank you and do just that.
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This was posted to the NEA child board -- great news!
Had an email yesterday to say the handguard are being manufactured again from August. ;D
On 14 June 2016 at 18:27, Ryan Joyner <sales@northeasternarms.com> wrote:
Lee,
We plan to have them in prodiction by August.
Ryan Joyner
Sales Manager
North Eastern Arms Group Inc.
Tel: 705-716-3055
ryanj@northeasternarms.com
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Wow, I was actually going to pay someone $300 for a set ...
This is good news. I wonder if there are any improvements which can be made, like ~
1) make them lighter
2) fitment, i remember you may have to take material off to make them fit
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I don't believe they need any changes.