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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => Compact CZ 75s => Topic started by: ThompsonCustom on January 29, 2015, 07:57:39 PM
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Well got the Royal blued CZ sold a while back and decided it was time for a new project so here it is the CZ 75 XCP. Well i'm not really set on the name yet as it kind of sounds like a rip off of the LCP but I like the abbreviation.
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/danielthompson8588/Picture002_zps710b09ae.jpg)
So far I have fitted a Rami upper to a PCR lower, The front portion of the rails on the PCR frame need cut to allow the Rami upper to slide on.
Next will be to drill the recoil spring groove in the frame wider to except the rami recoil spring set up over the compact guide rod.
The end Goal: To develop a hi cap, light weight, compact, super CZ ::)
Mods to come: CGW internals, One of a kind custom Hammer, 15+1rd flush fitting mag, and more.
Added: name has been changed to XCR pretty sure that's where its gonna stay.
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This is very cool and quite interesting. Thank you for sharing it with us. If you have any more pics i will gladly stare at them.
I like the name but since you are not firmly decided on the name ill throw this out..... RXCP, Rami eXtra Capacity Pistol. Just spit balling.
This is exciting!
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RXL.
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Lol I actually like both of those to, what's RXL stand for? I'll get some better pics up as time goes on just getting into the starting stages of this project.
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Watching with interest! ;)
That thing looks MEAN!
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Awesome! RXL--- Rami Xtra Large?
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Fun project!
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How about the CZ B.A.R ?
Bad A## Rami
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Lol I actually like both of those to, what's RXL stand for? I'll get some better pics up as time goes on just getting into the starting stages of this project.
RAMI Extra Large
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cant wait for more ;D please keep us posted. PCR lower being decocker or safety?
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Watching with interest! ;)
That thing looks MEAN!
It looks even more mean in real life i'm liking it so far for not being a compact guy but the PCR grip helps a lot.
Lower is a decocker, I did find a couple safety models but I didn't want to modify such a unicorn.
I combined a couple of them and thought of CZ 75 XCR (extra capacity Rami) this is my favorite so far.
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Watching with interest! ;)
That thing looks MEAN!
It looks even more mean in real life i'm liking so far for not being a compact guy but the PCR grip helps a lot.
Lower is a decocker, I did find a couple safety models but I didn't want to modify such a unicorn.
I combined a couple of them and thought of CZ 75 XCR (extra capacity Rami) this is my favorite so far.
XCR, i like it.
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Dibs if you decide to sell it!! O0 O0
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Crap!! I didn't even think about calling dibs. [emoji2]
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I'm kinda diggin' the name XCR!
Depending on your hand size, this may be a little better at recoil management than the RAMI. I pinky-tuck my RAMI, and I think not having that little extra bit of purchase makes the gun torque a little more under recoil. The XCR shouldn't be that different than the Compact/PCR, recoil wise.
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Ya I'm still a ways out from shooting it but it feels much better with the PCR/compact grip vs the rami frame, tho the rami's not bad with the 14rd mag.
Here's a couple more pics
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Here's where i'm at right now, the sear cage needs fitted to the slide, it is to wide at this point for the rami slide and needs a little work. After that the sear cage will be put back in and i'll start working on getting the rami recoil spring in the gun. It goes in right now but with the slide all the way forward it sticks out 1/4in because it doesn't fit in the groove.
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Thank you for the added pics. Its nice how cleanly the RAMI slide matches up with the PCR frame at the muzzle. Like it was meant to be.
I am curious to see how the the PCR slide stop/frame hole and RAMI barrel play together. The PCR has the lugs while the RAMI has a lock up like the CZ97.
An added bonus for this creations is no wacky PCR rear site cut. Nice.
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Well got the sear cage fitted today and back in. Dococker, hammer, and everything else seems to function fine at this point. Here's a picture of the cage after being fitted.
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/danielthompson8588/Decockercage_zpsf4e25f2a.jpg)
I am curious to see how the the PCR slide stop/frame hole and RAMI barrel play together.
A little different, the slide has to come back farther to get the slide lined up so it will except the slide stop. With the recoil spring out of the gun the slide locks back just fine but at this point I'm losing about 3/8in of rearward travel untill I get the framed drilled for the rami recoil setup.
Now the Rami 4.0 (Rami lower and PCR upper) seems to take no fitting and everything is good to go right out of the box so to speak with one exception. The slide would/will need cut to get the slide lock to caught on the last round or work at all for that matter.
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That looks really nice with the Rami top.
I'd avoid XCR, since... There is already an XCR out there made by Robinson Armament. (The rifle) And it's trademarked.
What about RCR?
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anymore updates on this? is it for sale yet? O0
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Well got the sear cage fitted today and back in. Dococker, hammer, and everything else seems to function fine at this point. Here's a picture of the cage after being fitted.
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/danielthompson8588/Decockercage_zpsf4e25f2a.jpg)
I am curious to see how the the PCR slide stop/frame hole and RAMI barrel play together.
A little different, the slide has to come back farther to get the slide lined up so it will except the slide stop. With the recoil spring out of the gun the slide locks back just fine but at this point I'm losing about 3/8in of rearward travel untill I get the framed drilled for the rami recoil setup.
Now the Rami 4.0 (Rami lower and PCR upper) seems to take no fitting and everything is good to go right out of the box so to speak with one exception. The slide would/will need cut to get the slide lock to caught on the last round or work at all for that matter.
Great image for future reference, thank you for going into such detail.
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That looks really nice with the Rami top.
I'd avoid XCR, since... There is already an XCR out there made by Robinson Armament. (The rifle) And it's trademarked.
What about RCR?
Thanks for the heads up, I looked into the whole trademarking thing and it shouldn't a probably for a couple different reasons. One it's the cz 75 XCR which in the world of trademarking it's a totally different thing from what I under stand, and it's used as a descriptive term (Extra capacity Rami) which also seems to make a difference.
anymore updates on this? is it for sale yet? O0
Yes and Not yet ;) I modified the two 14rd mags to hold 15rds by trimming the follower, will post some pictures of it later, I was also hoping to get the frame drill this weekend that's the last thing holding me back from test firing the gun. Did test both the mags in the PCR configuration and they ran 100% no problems stripping the first round and the LRHO worked every time, only down side is it takes a little force getting round 15 in but setting the mag with 15 rounds doesn't take as more force as I figured it would, a nice firm tap and it's good to go.
Well got the sear cage fitted today and back in. Dococker, hammer, and everything else seems to function fine at this point. Here's a picture of the cage after being fitted.
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/danielthompson8588/Decockercage_zpsf4e25f2a.jpg)
I am curious to see how the the PCR slide stop/frame hole and RAMI barrel play together.
A little different, the slide has to come back farther to get the slide lined up so it will except the slide stop. With the recoil spring out of the gun the slide locks back just fine but at this point I'm losing about 3/8in of rearward travel untill I get the framed drilled for the rami recoil setup.
Now the Rami 4.0 (Rami lower and PCR upper) seems to take no fitting and everything is good to go right out of the box so to speak with one exception. The slide would/will need cut to get the slide lock to caught on the last round or work at all for that matter.
Great image for future reference, thank you for going into such detail.
No Problem that's why I'm doing this whole thread, is for the people that want to get out and try these things on there own this may be a helpful guide.
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Alright for those wondering how to increase the capacity of any standard cz mag by +1 internally here's how to do it.
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You simply trim the follower to allow one more round to fit, the key is to not take to much that the follow comes above the mag lips and to keep the angle of the follower exactly the same, I have a wide belt sander so it only takes a couple secs to cut the follower down. it actually takes more time to stop and check things then it does to do the mod itself.
This is where the gun is currently at
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/danielthompson8588/Picture006_zpsbcffe700.jpg)
as you can see the recoil spring sticks out of the gun a ways because I haven't opened up the guide rod hole in the frame yet, here is a better look at the protrusion of the rod.
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/danielthompson8588/Picture001_zpsce077c13.jpg)
I need to do some looking this weekend and see if I have the flat end mill bit I need or if I need to order one, after that it's time for this thing to get to the range.
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That's great TC. Will the slide still lock open on empty mag with this mod?
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That's great TC. Will the slide still lock open on empty mag with this mod?
Yes if done right it should work 100% of the time.
Well just happened to have the end mill bit I needed and got the frame drilled, here is a pic of the rami guide rod in place after it being drilled.
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/danielthompson8588/Picture003_zps617f3880.jpg)
Soon as I got it drilled and blowed out I went outside and put some ammo through it, runs like a champ ;D I'll have to see if I can steal the wifes camera and take some video of this thing. shoots like a dream that pcr frame really helps.
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I like that flush look.
That turned out really - really nice.
Extremely nice custom work. It's so clean it appears factory.
Will you drop it on a scale when you are done?
:D
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TC, if you get a chance, could you possibly take a couple side by side photos of a stock follower and the modified follower please?? For some reason my brain is having a hard time picturing the difference[emoji17] Thanks in advance.
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That is impressive. Thanks for posting.
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Awesome, glad to hear it runs well.
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I like that flush look.
That turned out really - really nice.
Extremely nice custom work. It's so clean it appears factory.
Will you drop it on a scale when you are done?
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Absolutely i'm just as curious to see what it weights.
TC, if you get a chance, could you possibly take a couple side by side photos of a stock follower and the modified follower please?? For some reason my brain is having a hard time picturing the difference[emoji17] Thanks in advance.
There's a side by side pic up the page a little, is there a certain area you would like a picture of? All your doing is reducing the amount of skirt there is on the follower.
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There's a side by side pic up the page a little, is there a certain area you would like a picture of? All your doing is reducing the amount of skirt there is on the follower.
Uh, nope. That works just fine, thanks. Apparently my eyes quit working about the same time my brain did[emoji15]. I read your post about the follower and completely missed the picture. Well at least I can still understand big words. For now at least[emoji2][emoji2] thanks Thompson.
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Np. The difference between this modded follower and something like a flat gram style follower is that this one still has a good portion of skirt left on it where the gram style has none. The upside to that it you can probably fit another round or atleast it would be much easier to load round 15 but because there is no skirt the follower can just tip when it runs into the slide stop where the modded follower shouldn't tip anymore than the stock one.
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Little side note, The rami 4.0 is pretty much good to go just by swapping the slide. The rami hammer is wide and the compact slide in narrow so the hammer needs replaced or thinned. I just used a bobbed hammer from a different project. Only thing left is to cut the slide so that the LRHO works.
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/danielthompson8588/Picture004_zps6c6ed352.jpg)
Only down side to this gun is the frame and slide don't line up as nicely as the XCR does.
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Reliability upgrade
Well after more testing I found that the barrel on the XCR has a super short throat and by that I mean shorter than the normal cz throats and would jam on some factory ammo. So time to break out the throat reamer, I lengthened the throat on this barrel enough to take almost anything that will fit in the mag. "This gun will chamber 99.9% of all factor ammo" I haven't found anything out there that will cause any issues but doesn't mean it's not out there. Like a full wad cutter at 1.169. i'm guessing it would have more issues getting the bullet into the chamber than it would hitting the rifling at this point.
Another thing I did with the barrel was polished it up, not for the bling but for the smoother surface to ease over all movement friction. Now the action on the slide isn't as slick as my Dan wesson ECO was but i'm very happy with it and have polished most of the internals at this point.
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/danielthompson8588/barrel_zpsdcdfe33d.jpg)
Things in the works and to come.
Custom Hammer is at CGW right now getting some special treatment
Need to get some Thin grips on this thing.
CGW disco
That's probably about it for this gun, might drill the trigger for some pre/post travel screws but probably not really a big deal on a little carry gun.
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Lookin good TC. [emoji41]
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Thanks for the update. What is the story on the custom hammer you have coming? Have you considered widening the slide notch to except the wider RAMI hammer rather than using a narrow hammer?
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The rami came with a wide hammer and the pcr came with a narrow so the slide is already good to go.
It is a wide hammer, hate to be a tease but you'll have to wait and see. ;)
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The rami came with a wide hammer and the pcr came with a narrow so the slide is already good to go.
It is a wide hammer, hate to be a tease but you'll have to wait and see. ;)
Good deal, the mystery builds! 8)
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Little update as I've been super busy at work lately. Got all the tools and parts ordered from a couple different places including CGW.
Talked to David today and he said the hammer will be done this weekend and ship on monday.
Went ahead a ordered a extended firing pin and all the springs, CZ thin grips, free float trigger pin, other pins, more springs.etc etc.
Also ordered a hybrid disco, drill bits, and tap. Gonna tap the PCR trigger for two set screws. I compared my PCR trigger to the black recurve and it appears the PCR is the further rearward trigger and also has some grip to it so I thought it would be the prefect trigger for this little compact gun.
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Little update as I've been super busy at work lately. Got all the tools and parts ordered from a couple different places including CGW.
Talked to David today and he said the hammer will be done this weekend and ship on monday.
Went ahead a ordered a extended firing pin and all the springs, CZ thin grips, free float trigger pin, other pins, more springs.etc etc.
Also ordered a hybrid disco, drill bits, and tap. Gonna tap the PCR trigger for two set screws. I compared my PCR trigger to the black recurve and it appears the PCR is the further rearward trigger and also has some grip to it so I thought it would be the prefect trigger for this little compact gun.
Nice.
I have noticed that the stock trigger on my PCR also has very little over-travel if any at all. I am also liking the serrated trigger face.
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Well got some updates but haven't had time to take any pictures.
Gun looks a lot different from the last picture. Things that have been installed or changed:
CGW firing pin
CGW EX firing pin block spring.
CGW thin black grips
CGW free floating hammer pins
CGW free floating trigger pin.
CGW 13lb hammer spring
CGW reduced firing pin spring.
CGW hybrid Disco
Custom hammer installed
PCR trigger drilled and tapped with a 85c screw installed for pre travel adjustment.
Dawson precision FO front sight.
I think that about covers the upgrades at this point. The Dawson sight over hangs the muzzle a tap and will need trimmed and the sear cage needs reprofiled at the rear for looks, just doesn't line up with the slide prefect.
Overall the project is about finished, I'll get some pictures up as soon as I can.
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Nice, sounds like its tuning up well. Looking forward to the pics.
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Indeed, I've loaded up some out of the ordinary stuff I have for 9mm like 160gr RN, 170gr swc, and 130gr full wad cutters and it cycles them all by hand which is very promising for live fire. I also have some 102gr stubby little RN nose I should load up for testing.
Another thing I've consider since there is no good replacement for the rear rami sight is to drill out the two little holes that cz puts there green filament in and replacing them with fiber optic rods.
Anyone that has been around rear fiber optic rear sights I'd like to hear if you think its worth the work or not.
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on my uspsa gun I did this for a while; I ended up going back to a plain black rear blade as it was to busy and slowed me down a tad. I am going to black out the dots and might try to put a trit insert in it low like a heinie straight eight sight. There isn't much material there, the correct angle it might work. Also thought about trying to add a little metal to it with the welder.
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As promised here are some pictures:
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/danielthompson8588/Picture%20008_zpstkgfexnt.jpg)
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(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/danielthompson8588/Picture%20031_zpsmsveioql.jpg)
The Custom hammer is a Cz Czechmate Concealed SAO hammer that David cut and drilled to except the disconnector making it a DA/SA.
Another surprising thing is the weight, according to my hanging scale the gun comes in at 23.3oz's. I have to do a little trimming here and there so I'm gonna say it's going to have a end weight of 23ozs. If you look in picture 4 and picture 6 you can see the front sight needs to be reduced and the part of the sear cage that needs uniformed to the slide.
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That's just sweet TC. [emoji41][emoji41] I think you've got a winner there for sure.
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In CZ land, this is as good as it gets. That hammer looks great as does the hole build. Thanks again for all of the detailed coverage. I will be back to ogle the XCR often.
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Gun Po*n at its finest!
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amazing work. i could'nt stop staring at it. that lil hybrid is absolutley beautiful ;D
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Wow ;) Very, very nice Sir.
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Very Cool TC!
Thanks for sharing.
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MERCY. Thou shalt not covet. Thou shalt not covet. Thou shalt not covet. Not working... man I want that. :'( ;D
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Thanks for all the kind words guys.
I'd like to get some of your guys input, now that this project is getting close to the end is there anything else you would have done to it? I'm pretty tapped out on idea's and think it turned out great but I might build another one someday 8) you never know.
Things I might have changed or improved:
Drop the custom hammer tho it looks really nice it's a 90 dollar hammer before you send it off for work so it's really costly for what it is.
Dehorning the thing would be a nice touch but i'm not sure if it would be worth the work.
Lastly I was talking to someone over at the high road and it got me thinking about having the slide milled in the rear to match the front. The thinkness of the rami slide at the rear is 1.065 compared to .930 of a cz 75. Now the front of the rami is .865 and if someone were to mill the front depth all the way back and add new serrations it would like almost factory I think and cut the thickness weight. I'm not sure if I could overcome the weight loss with recoil springs or not but it would sure be fun to find out.
so if you got any idea's I'd like to hear them.
MERCY. Thou shalt not covet. Thou shalt not covet. Thou shalt not covet. Not working... man I want that. :'( ;D
Don't worry I won't keep her to long before she's on the open market ;D
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I'd certainly be interested though I might have to sell to buy. I'm sure it'd be a quick sell. Only thing I'd say if I have to come up with something... I have a rami and yes a dehorning would be nice for overall feel of the slide. I'm also not a fan of the rami recoil spring. Obviously limited in options I know. The recommended 500 rounds change out is not ideal to say the least. JMO. Lastly (and this is being picky) swap the SS screws out for black ones. Might make that beautiful trigger stand out more. :o
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I would absolutely mill the slide at the back and the rails that s ick out. Then you have a small thin double stack that has a grip just big enough for the hand. The perfect CC pistol. I have a compact and a rami. Both dehorned and I shaved a bit off the slide release and used a rami safety to get it thin. I will probably almost never carry the rami as I don't like the thickness. I really like your project and want to build one, but don't want to buy two guns to make one.
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I really like your project and want to build one, but don't want to buy two guns to make one.
Ya its kind of a bummer you have to drop over 1k to get the frame/slide you need. If you know someone that wanted the other half it wouldn't be as bad.
I woulder how light a rami I could build. Most of the weight comes from the slide, milling the back would reduce a good chunk of weight but more could probably be removed from the inside under the firing pin area. Dehorning would also remove some weight tho I dont think a lot can be gained from the frame.
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Would you leave the back end of the slide straight edges or beveled any? I suppose you'd stop the milling at where the last serration was. Is that enough material? Just curious. I'm no metal fab guy? Would kind of make for some cool slide charging "tabs".
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If I was gonna try it I would take the front of the slide (.865 wide) and have it milled all the way to the rear so the front and the rear match. I would leave the groove the blends the slide and the frame. The serrations would have to be cut even deep than the slide and the FPB might have to be removed and welded for it all to work.
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Got the sight cut to the prefect length and the sear cage profiled to the slide.
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/danielthompson8588/Picture%20021_zps586ak8se.jpg)
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Man you gotta stop posting pics of that thing. I just got it out of my head! rrrgghhh. :)
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That is very nice!
I have a desire for CZ to make something like this, but with the thinner slide width [at the back part] of the 75, and somehow cutting the grip down about a 1/2 inch [and making ~12 round magazines for it with the ability to still use the higher capacity 75 magazines]. It would look a lot like what you've done here, though. You did a great job on yours!
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Man you gotta stop posting pics of that thing. I just got it out of my head! rrrgghhh.
O0 I'll try heavy she's almost done.
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Outstanding - just outstanding I really like what you have come up with here. quite the unique pistol.
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very very nice!
I want to have one now..although I am not fond of compacts at all !!
Why did you drill the frame? wouldn't a shorter guide rod do? what about using the guide rod from the compact and shortening it?
Since I dont have these at hand, I cant check for myself, and I would depend on inputs here.
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Thanks guys,
Coolbox, the reason the frame has to be drilled is because the recoil spring setups are so different that the holes in the front of the slide are also different sizes. The hole in the slide for the rami is about twice the size of the compact hole so you can't just cut down a compact guide rod.( that would be to easy)
So your options are weld something to the slide to bring the hole size down and use a compact guide rod or drill the frame. Even with the frame drilled the compact upper still works as normal but now it can also use the fat rami recoil setup.
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Thanks guys,
Coolbox, the reason the frame has to be drilled is because the recoil spring setups are so different that the holes in the front of the slide are also different sizes. The hole in the slide for the rami is about twice the size of the compact hole so you can't just cut down a compact guide rod.( that would be to easy)
So your options are weld something to the slide to bring the hole size down and use a compact guide rod or drill the frame. Even with the frame drilled the compact upper still works as normal but now it can also use the fat rami recoil setup.
Could you make a reducing sleeve to bring the hole size down?
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Thanks guys,
Coolbox, the reason the frame has to be drilled is because the recoil spring setups are so different that the holes in the front of the slide are also different sizes. The hole in the slide for the rami is about twice the size of the compact hole so you can't just cut down a compact guide rod.( that would be to easy)
So your options are weld something to the slide to bring the hole size down and use a compact guide rod or drill the frame. Even with the frame drilled the compact upper still works as normal but now it can also use the fat rami recoil setup.
Could you make a reducing sleeve to bring the hole size down?
Like the Glock Gen 4 bushing that allows using guide rods rather than RSAs?
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TC
Thank you for elaborating.
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Not sure if any not permanent reducer can be used or not would be something worth looking into if you dont have the equipment to drill the frame.
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Been trying to find a Compact Slide for my RAMI! Would it work on a RAMI-P? Besides the hammer width, what other work does your 'RAMI 4.0' require? More pix of that, please.
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Thanks guys,
Coolbox, the reason the frame has to be drilled is because the recoil spring setups are so different that the holes in the front of the slide are also different sizes. The hole in the slide for the rami is about twice the size of the compact hole so you can't just cut down a compact guide rod.( that would be to easy)
So your options are weld something to the slide to bring the hole size down and use a compact guide rod or drill the frame. Even with the frame drilled the compact upper still works as normal but now it can also use the fat rami recoil setup.
@Thomson Custom
I know a guy who makes Aluminum guide rods. If I could get a guide rod made to size, do you think we could do away with frame drilling? If so, this could be a future project for me. I would not want to drill any frames.
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Amazing project Thomson! If you don't mind I'd like to pin a couple of the pics to the CZ Pistol board I have on Pintrest.
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Thanks guys,
Coolbox, the reason the frame has to be drilled is because the recoil spring setups are so different that the holes in the front of the slide are also different sizes. The hole in the slide for the rami is about twice the size of the compact hole so you can't just cut down a compact guide rod.( that would be to easy)
So your options are weld something to the slide to bring the hole size down and use a compact guide rod or drill the frame. Even with the frame drilled the compact upper still works as normal but now it can also use the fat rami recoil setup.
@Thomson Custom
I know a guy who makes Aluminum guide rods. If I could get a guide rod made to size, do you think we could do away with frame drilling? If so, this could be a future project for me. I would not want to drill any frames.
Hmmm that's a good question, it might be possible if the back half of the guide rod was the size of a PCR/compact and the front was the rami size to match the slide.
Amazing project Thomson! If you don't mind I'd like to pin a couple of the pics to the CZ Pistol board I have on Pintrest.
Go right ahead Sir.
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Great! How would you like me to credit them "Thomson Custom" ?
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Works for me.
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Thanks guys,
Coolbox, the reason the frame has to be drilled is because the recoil spring setups are so different that the holes in the front of the slide are also different sizes. The hole in the slide for the rami is about twice the size of the compact hole so you can't just cut down a compact guide rod.( that would be to easy)
So your options are weld something to the slide to bring the hole size down and use a compact guide rod or drill the frame. Even with the frame drilled the compact upper still works as normal but now it can also use the fat rami recoil setup.
@Thomson Custom
I know a guy who makes Aluminum guide rods. If I could get a guide rod made to size, do you think we could do away with frame drilling? If so, this could be a future project for me. I would not want to drill any frames.
Hmmm that's a good question, it might be possible if the back half of the guide rod was the size of a PCR/compact and the front was the rami size to match the slide.
Thank you !
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Holy, post resurrection Batman!! I just found this, finally. With all the talk about a subcompact, this is what they should do with both the compact frames and the P07. Give us just enough for a full grip. Heck P07 the size of the Rami with the longer mag, but flush fit normal grip.
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man I loved that last project you did. and this one is just as fine. are you planning on keeping it or sellin? :o
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Bump.
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Favorite CZ ever.