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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => Compact CZ 75s => Topic started by: john seeley on November 02, 2016, 11:24:59 PM
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I'm very happy to get my hands on my new PCR. Pretty cool considering it's my first firearm. I have a concern about the supplied factory test target. Does this look normal? Acceptable? Does it reflect the accuracy of the pistol? The dispersion is twice as large as other test targets I seen on the PCR and other 75 Compacts. Just asking. Thanks.
(https://s15.postimg.org/jib9yu5af/Test_Target.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/jib9yu5af/)
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Probably a Czech function tester with a hangover. O0
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I would not worry too much about the test target. They use standard factory Sellier and Bellot ammo and the target is shot by an actual employee of CZ (of unknown skill), both of which are cataloged on the target. I don't think their intention is to show the best possible accuracy from the pistol. Rather I think the targets are there to verify CZ did the final test firing for function and to make sure the sights are regulated relative to the point of impact. It's a nice piece of additional information (that many other manufacturers don't include) but IMO not representative of actual accuracy these pistols are capable of. My P-01 shoots much better than the test target would suggest.
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Probably a Czech function tester with a hangover. O0
First thing that came to mind!
I would not worry too much about the test target. They use standard factory Sellier and Bellot ammo and the target is shot by an actual employee of CZ (of unknown skill), both of which are cataloged on the target. I don't think their intention is to show the best possible accuracy from the pistol. Rather I think the targets are there to verify CZ did the final test firing for function and to make sure the sights are regulated relative to the point of impact. It's a nice piece of additional information (that many other manufacturers don't include) but IMO not representative of actual accuracy these pistols are capable of. My P-01 shoots much better than the test target would suggest.
Thanks gentlemen for your input. It is kind of nice to get this info IF you see 5 shots in the circle! :) Thank you.
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Can you imagine shooting pistol after pistol after pistol at 25m and it's only 9:35 am on a Thursday.... [emoji4]
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Probably doesnt mean much, but if there is more than one to choose from, I always take the one with the smallest dispersion
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I never even pay any attention to the test targets. I have some that show wide and way off center groups yet they are in no way a reflection of the accuracy of the pistols at least the ones I have. My CZ's are all awesome accurate shooters. I think the test targets are more for function than anything else.
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Agree with everyone else. For example my 75B's test target was all over the place yet it's my most accurate box stock range pistol right now.
I bought my PCR immediately before John (OP) from grabagun, and I think my test target is also dated 9/15/16 ? Just for grins I'll have to check to see if they were shot back to back based on the time, and also if it's the same tester (and maybe consecutive serial number guns?). I'll post my test target later tonight...
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The test target with your PCR is considerably better than the one that came with mine. Remember: they're shooting it at 25 meters (27.34 yards) and that's a fairly long shot for a compact pistol with less than a 4" barrel.
How does my PCR shoot? You be the judge:
(http://i.imgur.com/WNZgmKI.jpg?1)
10 yards, 50 rounds GECO 115gr FMJ
When I take the PCR to the range, I'm usually practicing at distances from 7-15 yards. The test target from the factory is fairly meaningless.
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WOW. Thanks everyone.. Your responses are greatly appreciated. I guess if the factory test target or any target had a fairly tight dispersion but all shifted off to one area, that could mean a bunch of things... shooter, sights, trigger? Thx again.
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When CZ test fires them at the factory, they're not necessarily going for precision accuracy - they're mainly checking for reliable functionality and to make sure the sights are (more or less) on-target. Other manufacturers (Sig, for example) test fire pistols at distances of 15m or less.
The other thing to keep in mind is that CZ's get better the more you shoot them. I'm not making that up. They really do. You probably won't see how accurate your PCR is until you've put about 500 rounds thru it. Mine has a little over 750 rounds thru it now and I couldn't be happier with the way it's shooting.
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When CZ test fires them at the factory, they're not necessarily going for precision accuracy - they're mainly checking for reliable functionality and to make sure the sights are (more or less) on-target. Other manufacturers (Sig, for example) test fire pistols at distances of 15m or less.
The other thing to keep in mind is that CZ's get better the more you shoot them. I'm not making that up. They really do. You probably won't see how accurate your PCR is until you've put about 500 rounds thru it. Mine has a little over 750 rounds thru it now and I couldn't be happier with the way it's shooting.
OK. Thanks. It's good to hear. I feel lucky to have gotten the PCR as a first firearm. I better get busy then, breaking-in that PCR! ;D
Need to pickup some accessories. Eye, ear, and rounds until my bulk ammo arrives. Cleaning/maint. supplies.
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When CZ test fires them at the factory, they're not necessarily going for precision accuracy - they're mainly checking for reliable functionality and to make sure the sights are (more or less) on-target. Other manufacturers (Sig, for example) test fire pistols at distances of 15m or less.
The other thing to keep in mind is that CZ's get better the more you shoot them. I'm not making that up. They really do. You probably won't see how accurate your PCR is until you've put about 500 rounds thru it. Mine has a little over 750 rounds thru it now and I couldn't be happier with the way it's shooting.
He's right about that. My first firearm was the P-01. I remember one day I went shooting with my brother, shot it as normal and thought "wow!" but I didn't say anything because I thought I was just having a good day. My brother shot it (he shot it each time I brought it to the range) and turned to me and asked "What did you do to the trigger?". I knew it wasn't just me, then.
Congrats on your PCR!
Sent from my Note 5, which thinks it can spell better than I can...
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He's right about that. My first firearm was the P-01. I remember one day I went shooting with my brother, shot it as normal and thought "wow!" but I didn't say anything because I thought I was just having a good day. My brother shot it (he shot it each time I brought it to the range) and turned to me and asked "What did you do to the trigger?". I knew it wasn't just me, then.
Congrats on your PCR!
Thank you!
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The test was done on a Thursday at 0935hr in the morning. I have them at 0744hr in the morning. So they start very early testing their weapons. The test target on my PCR was three in less than a 1/2" at just above the point of aim and two fliers. However, I have change to nights sights since then.
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The test was done on a Thursday at 0935hr in the morning. I have them at 0744hr in the morning. So they start very early testing their weapons. The test target on my PCR was three in less than a 1/2" at just above the point of aim and two fliers. However, I have change to nights sights since then.
Thanks. One thing I don't like are the sights because they're small and not bright. I noticed one youtube video of someone repainting the the dots of the stock sites with a brighter green glow paint. Because I can barely see them with my aging eyes. Did you replace the sights yourself?
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I immediately black out the rear dots and paint the front sight bright orange on standard CZ sights if I don't put competition sights on them.
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John, here's my test target for the PCR I bought right before you. Same tester and same day but about two hours earlier in the morning. Interesting!
(https://s17.postimg.org/nmuplbmbv/File_000_2.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/nmuplbmbv/)
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I immediately black out the rear dots and paint the front sight bright orange on standard CZ sights if I don't put competition sights on them.
OK. That was you. I remember reading this in another thread about doing that.
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John, here's my test target for the PCR I bought right before you. Same tester and same day but about two hours earlier in the morning. Interesting!
(https://s17.postimg.org/nmuplbmbv/File_000_2.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/nmuplbmbv/)
Thanks for posing, Mike. Being that these were tested 2 hrs apart, I would think the serials would be a few apart. Nice target. The dispersion area is under 1/3 of mine. Maybe the tester had to pee like a racehorse before he tested mine!
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I have to say that every CZ I have owned shot to the test target and no better in my hands. So I do think they are representative of the guns mechanical accuracy to an extent. However, some have increased the accuracy of their CZs by installing CGW's barrel bushing or the Accu bushing.
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All my stock CZ's are not representative of their test targets.
Try shooting off of sand bags. That will show the true accuracy. My CZ's are waaay more accurate than I am. [emoji6]
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If the test targets dont really represent the accuracy of the pistol, why is the test target from my tac sport so much better than the one in my p01 or Rami? Coincidence?
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Sorry it took so long to get this posted. I've been out of town on business all week.
(http://i.imgur.com/jFk4cYD.jpg?2)
I looked at the test target before I took the PCR to the range but I didn't put much stock in it. As you can see from the 10 yard target I previously posted, it's pretty much nuts-on accurate using a dead-center point of aim on the target. Test targets are what they are and don't seem to be any indication of how well the pistol can shoot.
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Test targets are function check documentation in my opinion. I've always gotten better results myself than I've seen from any test target...Sometimes it takes a few thousand rounds! And some Sugru or JB-Weld. :) :)
Joe
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Seriously, John, just relax, take that bad boy to the range and shoot the crap out of it. If you use good shooting techniques (grip, trigger control, sight alignment, breathing, concentration) you will be thrilled with your PCR's accuracy. That's why we practice, right? :D
You seem relatively new to CZ's so I recommend finding a good indoor range with a training program to develop your skills. Age is no excuse. I'm 57, my eyesight sucks from staring at computer screens for the last 20 years, wear glasses and enjoy shooting pistols and rifles just as much as I ever have. It's a challenge for me but when I absolutely nail a target, it's extremely gratifying to know that I still can do it almost as well as when I was 27.
Have fun and give us a range report with some pics!
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Thanks everyone. This is my first firearm I've owned although have shot hand guns of various gauges that didn't belong to me. There's a couple of indoor ranges near me I'm looking into. Just ordered eye and ear protection and cleaning stuff. Getting excited! A new world to me.
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Get some snap cups or a small o-ring to put under the hammer and dryfire pistol a lot. It will smooth the trigger nicely before you even visit the range.
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Get some snap cups or a small o-ring to put under the hammer and dryfire pistol a lot. It will smooth the trigger nicely before you even visit the range.
Thanks for reminding me about the snap caps. Yup, read about the o-ring technique. Thx
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(http://i.imgur.com/rjJUOHE.jpg?1)
If you don't shoot regularly - or even a lot - one thing that you may find irritating is the PCR's serrated trigger. The PCR's trigger is borrowed from the CZ 85 Combat and works exactly the way it was intended: to prevent trigger finger slippage between shots. If your hands aren't as well calloused as mine, though, it may start bothering you after 100 rounds or so. Be prepared for that.
I happen to like the serrated trigger, especially wearing leather gloves. Others have changed their triggers out to a smooth combat trigger, like the P-01's.
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(http://i.imgur.com/rjJUOHE.jpg?1)
If you don't shoot regularly - or even a lot - one thing that you may find irritating is the PCR's serrated trigger. The PCR's trigger is borrowed from the CZ 85 Combat and works exactly the way it was intended: to prevent trigger finger slippage between shots. If your hands aren't as well calloused as mine, though, it may start bothering you after 100 rounds or so. Be prepared for that.
I happen to like the serrated trigger, especially wearing leather gloves. Others have changed their triggers out to a smooth combat trigger, like the P-01's.
Nice PCR! The serrated trigger is one of the reasons I choose the PCR. The chamber indicator was another. Thanks for that info. I did indeed read somewhere that the serrations hurt after shooting a while. Thanks.
I just figured it was a good time in this country's history to buy a firearm. I'm also in my 50's. At first I was looking at the Berettas and couldn't decide between the 92fs and 92fs Compact. The 92fs had a long barrel and the 92fs compact had a small grip. Then at a local gun shop, I held a CZ 75 SP-01 .40 (though I wanted 9mm) and the grip felt AMAZING but the trigger was a longer reach even for my med/large hands. Then I started looking at the CZ 75 Compacts. Went back and forth between the P-01 and PCR and it just came down to availability when one store had the PCR in stock. I was a little concerned with the shortish grip but all fingers fit without the pinky hanging off. Learning more all the time about this stuff while the rest of my projects are on the back burner!
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Yeah, I wish the PCR had come with the rubber magazine base pads like the P-01 did. It's definitely more comfortable to shoot with them.
I ordered a couple from CGW here:
https://cajungunworks.com/product/00850-rubber-mag-bumper/
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All my stock CZ's are not representative of their test targets.
Try shooting off of sand bags. That will show the true accuracy. My CZ's are waaay more accurate than I am. [emoji6]
Bench shooting off bags is how I test the accuracy of my guns. I would like to have access to fixture to remove human error.
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Yeah, I wish the PCR had come with the rubber magazine base pads like the P-01 did. It's definitely more comfortable to shoot with them.
I ordered a couple from CGW here:
https://cajungunworks.com/product/00850-rubber-mag-bumper/
Cool. Thanks. Plus you can tap-out the slide release with a rubber padded mag without worrying about going metal on metal.
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Went to the range this afternoon to conduct my own off-hand 25 meter accuracy test, just for fun. I had been concentrating on 7-10 yard targets for about the first 750 rounds. Today, I moved the targets out to 15 meters to warm-up:
(http://i.imgur.com/uDHUjmj.jpg?1)
50 rounds, Geco 115gr FMJ - 15 meters
(http://i.imgur.com/QoV7mMw.jpg?1)
25 rounds, Independence 115gr FMJ - 15 meters
Yikes! The first couple of mags of the Geco, I was all over the place not being accustomed to shooting at that distance. By the time I finished the box of Geco and started on the box of Independence, I was getting in the groove.
Then, I moved the target out to 25 meters:
(http://i.imgur.com/bdlVd7H.jpg?1)
20 rounds, Independence 115gr FMJ - 25 meters
I know it isn't anything to brag about but considering it was the first time I shot a target past 15 meters, I'll take it. Just need to practice more at that distance but so much for the PCR's test target from the factory. It's not the gun, it's the shooter! ;)
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Good shooting!
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Thank you! The PCR is a really fun pistol to shoot - so comfortable. Recoil is a joke. Today proved that the pistol has great accuracy at 15-25 yards and I just need to practice engaging targets at that distance.
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Wow. Nice job! ;D Where do you buy the targets from? How much are they? Thx.
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Targets are included in the price of the lane rental fee at my range. I've not seen them for sale anywhere else.