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CZ LONG ARMS => CZ Scorpion EVO => Topic started by: Gear Head on March 20, 2017, 08:10:22 PM
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Today is the day folks. 2pm central time is just moments away.
http://www.gearheadworks.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=24 (http://www.gearheadworks.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=24)
Ok guys and gals, we have been getting numerous requests a day for a Tailhook pre-sale ever since it went public. I've basically ignored them as we weren't close enough to shipping. But now we are getting close and I am still getting the requests. I estimate another 4-6 weeks to ship to customers.
Despite a very large first batch, it still will not be enough to satisfy even the beginning of the demand that has grown to a tremendous amount since SHOT. New distributors sign on every week and I have started telling them that they will have to wait till the next batch now. I have to save some for our own web store still too!
Oh, I had a limited edition patch made to commemorate "Project Tomcat" as it was know for the last year and a half or so too. So I thought I might include the patch with pre-orders for free.
So tell me, are you willing to go ahead and get one and wait, or rush the website when they go live with everyone else?
Keep in mind this is for the Tailhook only. Not the Scorpion adapter. We hope to offer the adapter soon though. In the mean time, you can use the Tailhook Mod 1 on anything round between 1.17" and 1.2" with at least 7/8" worth of space available.
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I'll need the ?z stock adapter..
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Take my money too.
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If I had money I'd be all in. 8)
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I want one, maybe 2.
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I will wait n see what the whole package costs. Then maybe because it looks sweet.
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I'm in. I'd want the Scorpion stock adapter too. Hope that will be sold separately. In the meantime I can use it elsewhere.
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I'm in. I'd want the Scorpion stock adapter too. Hope that will be sold separately. In the meantime I can use it elsewhere.
Exactly what I am hoping for.
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Yes. Absolutely. Can we get a pre-sale for the scorpion adapter too if we sign up?
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I'd get one with a Scorpion adapter. If I have to, I'll wait to get the Tailhook.
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Preorder would be awesome, as long as we got some kind of confirmation we could get the adapter seperate in the future.
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Maybe I missed it, but do you have ATF approval for the entire setup on the scorpion?
If the scorpion adapter is not ATF approved, the tailhook would be useless.
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We will offer the Scorpion adapter separately when it is finished.
An adapter is just an adapter. The arm brace is ATF approved as an arm brace and does not change the classification of the pistol. No matter what model pistol it is. The adapter cannot accept any butt stock available either. Only the Mod 1 Tailhook brace.
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Right now I have a shockwave-KAK buffer tube on my scorpion. So with the mod1 I could take off the shockwave blade and attach the mod 1 tailhook to the existing KAK-brand buffer tube?
If that is the case, then I would definitely pre-order right now.
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The preorder is it for the black pieces below or just the piece that clamps on to the cylindrical stock adapter?
(http://www.shop.gearheadworks.com/images/14832467589591780226589.jpeg)
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The preorder is it for the black pieces below or just the piece that clamps on to the cylindrical stock adapter?
(http://www.shop.gearheadworks.com/images/14832467589591780226589.jpeg)
Pre order is for the hook part that clamps onto a buffer tube or onto the factory stock adapter that is to come out later.
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Right now I have a shockwave-KAK buffer tube on my scorpion. So with the mod1 I could take off the shockwave blade and attach the mod 1 tailhook to the existing KAK-brand buffer tube?
If that is the case, then I would definitely pre-order right now.
I do not know the diameter of the Kak tube. It would have to fall between 1.17-1.2" to be compatible.
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The preorder is it for the black pieces below or just the piece that clamps on to the cylindrical stock adapter?
(http://www.shop.gearheadworks.com/images/14832467589591780226589.jpeg)
Pre order is for the hook part that clamps onto a buffer tube or onto the factory stock adapter that is to come out later.
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It would just be the actual aluminum Tailhook brace, not the scorpion adapter. The same Tailhook Mod 1 brace is what fits both the Ar pistol buffer tube and the Scorpion adapter. As well as all the other adapters we are designing.
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I don't think the poll questions are right.
I predict you will sell through the first batch without meeting everyone's need, so presumably the pre-order people have a shot at getting one from the first batch, while the people who wait till it is released will likely have to wait for the second batch.
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I think the majority of scorpion owners that like this brace want to use it on the origional scorion "folding member".
Since you have to buy a cz stock kit to do so, there is lots of muddy water there as far as constructive intent and if the atf considers the cz "folding member" an actual stock.
I will wait for approval on the adapter.
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I think the majority of scorpion owners that like this brace want to use it on the origional scorion "folding member".
Since you have to buy a cz stock kit to do so, there is lots of muddy water there as far as constructive intent and if the atf considers the cz "folding member" an actual stock.
I will wait for approval on the adapter.
Ah that's a great idea! I didn't even think of that...so buy the regular scorpion stock and change out the "stock" part and add the brace to it?
I didn't realize the "Stock" part could be removed--I've actually never seen one in person because all I have is the pistol.
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I think the majority of scorpion owners that like this brace want to use it on the origional scorion "folding member".
Since you have to buy a cz stock kit to do so, there is lots of muddy water there as far as constructive intent and if the atf considers the cz "folding member" an actual stock.
I will wait for approval on the adapter.
We are working to offer a complete kit that would not include the butt stock portion so there would not be that worry. I realize that some people have already bought a stock to convert. So long as they aren't in possession of the butt, they do not have intent. Either toss it, sell it or give it to somebody at a different address.
The ATF already defined the rearward most portion with the butt pad the stock when they identified the 922 parts. The folding member is not the stock. Of course people are free to come to their own conclusions. We presented the facts.
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Again I wish I could afford one - that with a folding accessory would be the bees knees. I like my Thordsens, but is has some serious limitation.
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We are working to offer a complete kit that would not include the butt stock portion so there would not be that worry. I realize that some people have already bought a stock to convert. So long as they aren't in possession of the butt, they do not have intent. Either toss it, sell it or give it to somebody at a different address.
At the very least you should probably stop discussing your business on public internet forums. ;)
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I think the majority of scorpion owners that like this brace want to use it on the origional scorion "folding member".
Since you have to buy a cz stock kit to do so, there is lots of muddy water there as far as constructive intent and if the atf considers the cz "folding member" an actual stock.
I will wait for approval on the adapter.
We are working to offer a complete kit that would not include the butt stock portion so there would not be that worry. I realize that some people have already bought a stock to convert. So long as they aren't in possession of the butt, they do not have intent. Either toss it, sell it or give it to somebody at a different address.
The ATF already defined the rearward most portion with the butt pad the stock when they identified the 922 parts. The folding member is not the stock. Of course people are free to come to their own conclusions. We presented the facts.
I think this means we're gonna see a whole lot of the telescoping portions of the buttstock being sold on ebay ;D
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I guess I am out, and waiting for the Tailhook with the Scorpion stock adapter.
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I'd pre-order one now (for my AR pistol) and buy another one when the Scorpion adapters come out.
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So if we have a Scorpion as it comes from the factory and want to add the tailhook as a brace, we need:
the tailhook
an adapter
a CZ stock
and it would probably just be better to wait for the package deal from GHW when everything is available? do I have that right?
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So if we have a Scorpion as it comes from the factory and want to add the tailhook as a brace, we need:
the tailhook
an adapter
a CZ stock
and it would probably just be better to wait for the package deal from GHW when everything is available? do I have that right?
That is correct. Complete packages won't be ready till summer though. Adapters potentially sooner for those who have a stock they want to convert.
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So if we have a Scorpion as it comes from the factory and want to add the tailhook as a brace, we need:
the tailhook
an adapter
a CZ stock
and it would probably just be better to wait for the package deal from GHW when everything is available? do I have that right?
That is correct. Complete packages won't be ready till summer though. Adapters potentially sooner for those who have a stock they want to convert.
that's fine, I don't even have my CZ yet. :D Waiting for the 2017's so maybe they'll be available around the same time.
thanks for the confirmation.
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I would definitely be interested in a pre-order for the Tailhook. If you're putting a list together, put me on it. :)
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That is correct. Complete packages won't be ready till summer though. Adapters potentially sooner for those who have a stock they want to convert.
Will the adapters be adjustable/multi-position in the CZ stock?
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So if we have a Scorpion as it comes from the factory and want to add the tailhook as a brace, we need:
the tailhook
an adapter
a CZ stock
and it would probably just be better to wait for the package deal from GHW when everything is available? do I have that right?
That is correct. Complete packages won't be ready till summer though. Adapters potentially sooner for those who have a stock they want to convert.
gear head,
my question is if someone buys the tailhook prior to the adapter and stock kit being available.
Would you offer the adapter/stock only kit for those that already purchased the tail hook.
I ask since I have a buffer tube on mine now and this would be a nice addition now and better when the stock kit is available.
Also have you determined prices?
I may have missed if you have posted them somewhere.
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That is correct. Complete packages won't be ready till summer though. Adapters potentially sooner for those who have a stock they want to convert.
Will the adapters be adjustable/multi-position in the CZ stock?
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No. At least not intentionally. But If it works out the way I would like, there will be two positions.
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So if we have a Scorpion as it comes from the factory and want to add the tailhook as a brace, we need:
the tailhook
an adapter
a CZ stock
and it would probably just be better to wait for the package deal from GHW when everything is available? do I have that right?
That is correct. Complete packages won't be ready till summer though. Adapters potentially sooner for those who have a stock they want to convert.
gear head,
my question is if someone buys the tailhook prior to the adapter and stock kit being available.
Would you offer the adapter/stock only kit for those that already purchased the tail hook.
I ask since I have a buffer tube on mine now and this would be a nice addition now and better when the stock kit is available.
Also have you determined prices?
I may have missed if you have posted them somewhere.
We will offer the adapter separately once it's done. No price yet on it though. The Tailhook itself is MSRP $119.
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Goodmorning Gearhead,
Yes I know you will offer the adapter separately.
but if you are offering a complete kit, I thought from what I had read it would include the front portion of the CZ stock.
I was looking more at would you be willing to offer a kit that included the front half of the stock and the adapter?
Potentially saving the customer, some money since the tailhook is $119, then the adapter, then a CZ stock would get a bit expensive.
It is just a thought.
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Goodmorning Gearhead,
Yes I know you will offer the adapter separately.
but if you are offering a complete kit, I thought from what I had read it would include the front portion of the CZ stock.
I was looking more at would you be willing to offer a kit that included the front half of the stock and the adapter?
Potentially saving the customer, some money since the tailhook is $119, then the adapter, then a CZ stock would get a bit expensive.
It is just a thought.
Oh sorry. Yes we do plan to offer the entire kit for the best savings and convenience to the customer. But we will also offer the adapter by itself for those who don't want to wait for the kit or already have a stock. The kit will not be ready until summer is my best guess right now.
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Yes we do plan to offer the entire kit for the best savings and convenience to the customer.
I think that's gonna be the best of all worlds honestly. No paperwork, or complications due to it's classification in some areas... and it will probably be the most visually appealing out of all the options that exist. (And I do mean it, the TH is easily the best looking brace option yet.) The only downside I see to your solution at this point is, cost. $170 stock, $120 hook, and a "$??" for the adapter begins to get borderline. If it could be purchased all together and possibly save some cash, that would be nice.
ETA: Nice to see the mag releases are back. Buying one now.
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$170 stock, $120 hook, and a "$??" for the adapter begins to get borderline. If it could be purchased all together and possibly save some cash, that would be nice.
yeah, I started to do that math in my head yesterday and was a bit worried. Hopefully its all for nothing and it comes in at a competitive price point.
Do we know if the adapter is folding or not?
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It is hard to tell in the pictures, but when it is folded, is it flush with the side like the factory stock? Or is the tail hook wider forcing it to have a bit of space between the factory folding section/ tail hook and the side of the gun when folded?
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The Scorpion 'kit' will consist of the folding CZ cheek rest portion, the adapter to mount the Tailhook to the CZ folding member and the Tailhook itself.
The adapter alone doesn't fold. It merely connects the Tailhook to the folding portion of the CZ cheek rest.
One purpose of offering the kit is to eliminate the costs involved with the butt portion of the CZ assembly. It is not needed and shouldn't have to be paid for. So saying the CZ parts will cost as much as the current complete stock isn't accurate. It will be less. I do not have pricing though so don't ask. I will announce it when I know.
I have't added it up myself but I imagine that by the time you buy a Blade, buffer tube, buffer tube adapter and a folding hinge, it isn't cheap. And you are still stuck with something that doesn't look factory at all.
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I have't added it up myself but I imagine that by the time you buy a Blade, buffer tube, buffer tube adapter and a folding hinge, it isn't cheap. And you are still stuck with something that doesn't look factory at all.
Assuming you use an average quality folding mechanism and modify your own plate to bolt the hinge on directly. You're going to spend about $75-100 on the folding mech, $20-30 on the tube, and about $45 on the KAK blade. So about $150-200, unless you use like UTG trash. If you go CZC, drop your drawers, the folding mech alone is $215. It looks like it's built as good as it costs. But... you're going to end up around $275-300 and still have a KAK blade on the back. Obviously there are quite few choices for braces and folding mechanisms out there to choose from. The majority of which range from awful looking to, well, the KAK blade.
I think the gun remaining in pistol configuration might play to your benefit as well. It means the stock could be the original folding mechanism and member because it would skirt the need for 922r compliance. If those can be had without the butt plate and hardware cheaper... (not US made...) fingers crossed say < $100 for you. Even if your adapter is $50 and your tail hook is $120. That puts you square in the sweet spot of $250-270 with the most original, and best looking option available. It should be like printing money so long as you keep them going out the door.
If you can roll that package out sub $250, I really don't see why anyone who is not directly doing an SBR would be interested in anything else. You have the best idea I've seen yet.
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It is hard to tell in the pictures, but when it is folded, is it flush with the side like the factory stock? Or is the tail hook wider forcing it to have a bit of space between the factory folding section/ tail hook and the side of the gun when folded?
It doesn't lay as flat as the factory stock but it's pretty close. Also note the ejection port is completely clear as well.
(http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r494/Gear_Head_Works/Tailhook%20pistol%20brace/_DSC3159%20sized_zpscube4hkw.jpg)
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That is pretty dang sweet.
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Need to go sell blood plasma....
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Need to go sell blood plasma....
Or you could just win one.... ;)
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;D 8) That would be nice, but the giveaways here are always for the members. 8) ;D
Thank you for doing it, much appreciated.
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You guys are going to sell a billion of those.
William
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Today is the day folks. 2pm central time is just moments away.
http://www.gearheadworks.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=24 (http://www.gearheadworks.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=24)
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Site crashed 👎
*Edit*
back up order in. Go get em
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Yeah, I got my order in, paid via Paypal and it was supposed to redirect me back to the main site but I guess that was when it crashed. I got the paypal receipt but no order confirmation.
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Yeah, I got my order in, paid via Paypal and it was supposed to redirect me back to the main site but I guess that was when it crashed. I got the paypal receipt but no order confirmation.
Same exact thing happened to me--I assume that means we are good though... don't you think?
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Ugh...can't get thru registration.
EDIT/UPDATE: Tried logging in with new account info and it worked. Made it thru ordering process, but also hung up on redirect back to GearHeadWorks site.
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I had to regiester so I got hung up on that. All good order complete.
Can't wait to see if they come out in FDE or OD colors. I'll stick this black one on my AR and buy a FDE on the Evo
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Yeah, I got my order in, paid via Paypal and it was supposed to redirect me back to the main site but I guess that was when it crashed. I got the paypal receipt but no order confirmation.
Same exact thing happened to me--I assume that means we are good though... don't you think?
I got an email saying payment is sent so as long you got an email from PayPal and check your order status, you should be good.
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Yeah, I got my order in, paid via Paypal and it was supposed to redirect me back to the main site but I guess that was when it crashed. I got the paypal receipt but no order confirmation.
Same exact thing happened to me--I assume that means we are good though... don't you think?
The site came back up again briefly, so I logged out, logged back in, and tried to check my order history. When I clicked to show the order detail, the site crashed again. Maybe the SKU or the necessary code for the Tailhook wasn't entered into the site. Maybe that's also why I haven't received an order notification email, just a Paypal receipt with no order detail.
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If the site crashed after you paid via paypal, just log back in and you can check your Orders. My order is in there with an order #. That should take care of that.
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Don't click on the order detail button if you do see your order on your account page. I've done it twice and the page crashed both times. :(
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Don't click on the order detail button if you do see your order on your account page. I've done it twice and the page crashed both times. :(
Hahaha yeah I learned that the hard way too--but you don't need the detail to see your order #.
EDIT: I am a little surprised to see the site crash. I know Gator hosting is considered a legit host (it's budget friendly host but its legit). I think it goes to show how many people wanted this brace. Pretty awesome.
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The site is in and out of crashing. We are working on it now
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I just see $0.00 out of stock.
OK, how much are these gonna cost?
You need to make sure you are on the new site at www.gearheadworks.com and not at the old store at www.shop.gearheadworks.com
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I just see $0.00 out of stock.
OK, how much are these gonna cost?
Check Mod 1--Mod 2 isn't for Presale yet.
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The site is still working for some so just keep trying is all I can say so far. We are still working on it.
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In for one. This is going to be awesome. On a related note, does anyone know where I can get a CZ scorpion stock other than CZ custom? Their shipping is outrageous.
William
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Almost end of the month, is there a shipping eta yet?
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Almost end of the month, is there a shipping eta yet?
They should start going out end of next week.
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Sweet! 8)
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Need to go sell blood plasma....
Unfortunately due to military service I can't due that. I was feed possibly mad cow tainted English beef by our beloved military.
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I wasn't allowed to for years after I got out due to anti malaria drugs in Africa, but I'm good to go now.
Mad Cow beef...English Army?
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I wasn't allowed to for years after I got out due to anti malaria drugs in Africa, but I'm good to go now.
Mad Cow beef...English Army?
This is U.S. Military personnel (current and former), and their dependents, who spent time in military bases in northern Europe 1980-1990, or southern Europe (1980-1996), for 6 months or more.