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GENERAL => CZ Gunsmithing => Topic started by: GSX1400 on September 04, 2017, 12:23:52 PM
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Hi all,
To follow my presentation topic http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=88943.0
Here are some questions.
Since I've bought my CZ75 D Compact, I'm still waiting for a recoil spring and spring guide rode to come...seems like CZ is SUPER slow.
I'm having feeding issues and think it's because the recoil spring has been cut (for competition uses obviously).
Since I have a relative living in the states (Hawaii), I was thinking about buying what I need on the Internet and having it shipped to his place.
He'll then send them to me with some other things (non gun related items) that are already at his place.
So :
1) He does not have any guns or whatever. Is he allowed to be delivered gun parts? He is a US citizen and lives there since 2008.
2) Will it be allowed to be sent abroad (non Itar?)
What I'd like to buy are some spares for my CZ "just in case".
Seeing how slow they are (and after months of waiting I'm still not sure I'll get them one day...), I'd like to buy parts that are "sensible".
I won't be buying spares for my last CZ70 as it is more a collectors item than a gun I use (abuse?).
The guns are illustrated on my presentation subject linked above.
I was thinking about :
recoil spring
recoil spring guide rod (plastic or metal one to go for?)
ejector (and spring)
extractor/spring
Firing pin/spring
Slide stop
What else? Is this Itar clear?
Was also wanting to add a couple of HKS speedloaders for my GP100 and 629. Itar ok too?
Where would you guys recommend me to buy the CZ parts?
My goods already at my relatives home are planned to be sent mid-september so I have to act quick.
Many thanks for your feedback/input to come.
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I wonder if any export laws are in play under USA laws as well as import restrictions in France. Can you answer that statement?
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A spring, pin, firing pin is ok.
A barrel, magazine, big important parts : no.
I could do it, have done it for a couple of mags, but I did have to do some paperwork with the administration here. It was relativly easy because it was done INSIDE EU...
For the US question : that?s why I'm asking here as I don't have an idea...
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As i understand it here is the U.S. under Federal law, typically only one part of a pistol is regulated. This usually tends to be the frame of a pistol (serialized part) but some pistols are unique and have a different regulated part. With CZ75 variants it is the pistol frame that is regulated. All of the other parts including the barrels, slides and magazines are not regulated under Federal law. State law can be different. Some states have magazine round count limits. Hawaii seams to have 10 round magazine limits, some one please correct me if the law has changed and i am incorrect here.
As far as i am aware, aside from the frame (serialized/regulated part of the CZ75 variants) and magazines over ten rounds (Hawaii law) all of the other parts should be unregulated and purchasable by anyone regardless if they own a firearm or not.
I am not an expert on Federal/State law please verify though multiple sources and do your own research to be safe.
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As i understand it here is the U.S. under Federal law, typically only one part of a pistol is regulated. This usually tends to be the frame of a pistol (serialized part) but some pistols are unique and have a different regulated part. With CZ75 variants it is the pistol frame that is regulated. All of the other parts including the barrels, slides and magazines are not regulated under Federal law. State law can be different. Some states have magazine round count limits. Hawaii seams to have 10 round magazine limits, some one please correct me if the law has changed and i am incorrect here.
As far as i am aware, aside from the frame (serialized/regulated part of the CZ75 variants) and magazines over ten rounds (Hawaii law) all of the other parts should be unregulated and purchasable by anyone regardless if they own a firearm or not.
I am not an expert on Federal/State law please verify though multiple sources and do your own research to be safe.
You are correct on the frame of a pistol , that is typically what is serialized and requires a 4473 to be filled out for sale from or through an FFL dealer . Most states have no regs on sales between individuals .
As far as the mags go I can't keep up some states are very regulated others not so much .
FFL 01 holder here .
Kirk
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Ok. I'll only be ordering spring/firing pin.
Would someone have a webshop to recommend (accepting Paypal or Mastercard) that is serious and fast shipping?
:)
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"Cajun Gun Works" is fastest.
The CZ Custom gun shop is the next fastest.
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In my experience:
Trigger return springs.
Firing pin retainer pin.
Slide stop.
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In my experience:
Trigger return springs.
Firing pin retainer pin.
Slide stop.
Same experience here, slide stop especially
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Ok so I'm doing too much with my spares list?
I heard that the slide stop was something to have. I was thinking firing pins would be a good idea too and...I may have got carried a bit over then?
I already broke a firing pin on my CZ70. But the OEM part has the reputation of being weak.
I replaced it with a Harringtons kit (life time guarantee). Wanted to avoid this.
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Looking at this PDF https://shop.cz-usa.com/czpartslists/cz75BD.pdf
Trigger return springs would be part N?8?
And is this one below only one whole part :
Firing pin retainer pin part N?** ???
or two parts :
Firing pin N?54 AND retainer pin (N?** ??? )?
My lack of technical english renders this a bit hard for me. Thanks for your help.
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Yes, Trigger return spring would be part# 8.
Firing pin is part# 54.
Firing pin spring is part# 55.
Firing pin retainer pin is part# 57.
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Thank you Mike!
;)
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You are very welcome. :)
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So I finally found almost everything here : http://www.cz-spare.parts/
It's in EU, so easier and cheaper for me.
https://shop.cz-usa.com/
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I'm not sure why you think you need an ejector? But I would be shocked if they are different between your 75 BD and the Compact. There could be subtle differences with tolerances and thus they have a number associated with them to change timing I'm assuming. http://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail/042001730304_Decocking-Ejector-3
My spare list is:
Trigger return spring
Recoil Spring
Main Spring
Slide Stop
Extractor
Firing pin (cajun gun works)
Firing pin return spring (cajun gun works)
Firing pin retaining pin (cajun gun works)
I actually have spares for all springs but probably don't need them all. CZ hasn't changed their design between your 75 BD and the Compact (non omega). I also wouldn't worry about the factory shutting down any time soon. Spares should be available long after anyway.
Cheers,
Toby
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Hi, I'm not worried about CZ shutting down but on their observation considering that they can deliver the spares for guns that are still in production. I then understand that a non produced CZ nowadays = spares are NLA?
That doesn't mean that others than CZ can provide spares, but I don't know who.
Ejectors don't seem available on non OEM providers (for example)?
An ejector is a spare I shouldn't need then? I doesn't break?
Just asking.
It is more than 50?/U so if it's "un-necessary", I would rather keep 100? in my pocket...
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Just 3 little parts for my Kadet conversion, I'll be buying them here : https://shop.cz-usa.com/
Is it me or is this website not working anymore?
Works for me.
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Tried again and here's what I get :
This site has been blocked by the network administrator.
Block reason: Gateway GEO-IP Filter Alert
IP address: xxxxxxxxxxxx
Connection initiated from country: France
What the f***???
I have been doing my shopping list, US address inside, and now I can't get access anymore?
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Hi, I'm not worried about CZ shutting down but on their observation considering that they can deliver the spares for guns that are still in production. I then understand that a non produced CZ nowadays = spares are NLA?
That doesn't mean that others than CZ can provide spares, but I don't know who.
Ejectors don't seem available on non OEM providers (for example)?
An ejector is a spare I shouldn't need then? I doesn't break?
Just asking.
It is more than 50?/U so if it's "un-necessary", I would rather keep 100? in my pocket...
GSX,
I'm not going to say that an ejector won't break but it is far less likely than a trigger return spring or slide stop. If you can purchase from Cajun Gun Works, then I would pick up your spare parts from them. Most springs, firing pins, trigger pin, hammers, and firing pin retaining pins are upgrades that should last longer than you (unless you plan on shooting a lot).
CZ hasn't really changed their design on the 75 series of guns (since 1975). There are millions of firearms out there and thus millions of spare parts for the one off failures. If CZ ever decided to exit the firearms market, there would be a global revolt and somebody would purchase their operation and continue making all the fine firearms.
What is your shooting volume and what is the intended use of your firearms?
Cheers,
Toby
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Shooting at the range, training self defense is the program.
Volume per year (I have other firearms...) with the 9mm CZ : less than 1000 rounds.
The spares are to avoid being in a mess in case of a SHTF situation should it occur as I see the delays to obtain spares for CZ here...
Ok, I'll take the spare ejector off the list. Or just take one...
I wonder why CZ factory says that the ejectors are different (but maybe compatible...)?
I managed to order my spares at the CZ US Shop (my US contact did it for me, my basket was just awaiting payment). The rest I found here in EU cheaper (but not everything was available or listed, hence US order).
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Hi all!
I'll finally be receiving my spares in a couple of days hopefully.
I kept adding stuff for my contact to put in the box he was sending me... ;D
Have to be patient!
I'll be getting as a bonus a Wheeler Digital Firearms Accurizing Torque Wrench and an Arisaka Optic Leveler Combo for my Tikka CTR and its rifle scope.
In the meanwhile, my recoil spring broke during a combat shooting training!
It jammed once, good exercise for the tap/rack thing. It then worked ok for the rest of the training.
Once home, I cleaned the gun and found out for the spring!
So, hopefully I had one in spare (bought from the EU shop). Not the same, the coil is flat and much longer. It is harder to rack it now!
Now I'm having problems with the slide stop. It won't stay down and jams the slide at each shot by going upwards.
So I have the spring for the slide stop. Waiting for the slide stop special CZ P01 (also called CZ 75 D Compact) because it seems it should be different from the full size I have.
Hope to have no more problems then.
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I do have 2 questions for you guys :
1) How do I change the slide stop spring. There is a slide stop spring pin (part N?4 on the parts lists) I have to take out?
I have various punchs in my tool box.
Do I push it to the inside of the frame?
It will fall out then?
To put it back, direction is from outside (right side) towards inside? I can't see how to do it otherwise.
How do you hold the spring in place while putting the pin in place?
2) What website are you using now to upload pictures?
Photobucket is trying to rip me off so no thanks.
Hostingpics where I started putting pictures (that are still here on this forum for the moment...) is shutting down.
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I use the Wheeler F.A.T. wrench - it works great for me when mounting optics.
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I read some reviews before purchasing. ;)
Decided to go for the more expensive digital one because I'm in metric system and didn't want to fiddle around while on the field (I'm using a scope and red dot and a See All on my 3 rifles, one of these using 2 different optics).
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Hello, for Kadet, my spares are Ejector, ejector pin. I have had them come loose so replaced them, I keep an extractor, pin and spring, I keep a recoil spring and guide, a firing pin and spring and a mag spring. Also, a barrel retaining pin is good to keep as they fail fairly often. I have used most of these parts at one time or another. I do have 3 Kadets and shoot them alot.
To remove slide stop spring, I used a flat blade ( spackle knife) to press down on the front of the spring ( in the frame cut on the right side) to relieve pressure on the forward pin. In my gun the pin easily moved towards center of the gun once pressure was removed, then when clear of the forward pin, I raise the spring approx 90 degrees and pull it from the rear hole in the frame. Not hard at all.
Good luck
Rich
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Thanks for the tips.
I'll soon try this.
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Check out BH Spring Solutions.
They have spring kits and more for CZ's.
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Been a while.
I had all my goodies delivred fine.
Ordered at CZ USA Shop. And others here in EU.
My recoil spring broke during an NTTC session. It kept on working after a tap-rack. This round spring had been cut down by PO for an unknown reason, but I suspect for competition reasons as he was a competitor.
The plastic guide rod was beaten up too.
So I changed both with parts ordered at CZ Shop.
Did have a hard time with the recoil spring on my 75 P-01 and its aluminium guide rod. The guide rod they sell isn't meant for the flat type recoil spring they sell...but they don't sell either another type of guide rod nor another type of spring so both of these parts would fit together. I'm baffled.
Anyways, got a friend to machine the guide so it's now ok.
A gunshop sent me a slide stop spring from a Tanfoglio because no one seems to have my model.
I have an R (rounded) shaped spring (old style).
I had to cut a bit off the Tanfo one and brace it a little.
Have been doing a lot of NTTC lately and almost 1000 rds through the gun : everything is ok now (I did have some slide stop issues : would lock my gun open some times : weak spring and worn slide stop = changed everything).
So, question is : where do I find an R shaped slide stop spring???
(http://www.jizni.co.za/332-large_default/3-slide-stop-spring-r-shaped.jpg)
They have them in South Africa at a CZ shop, but they won't send outside their country and I don't have a contact over there to shop for me.
I'd like to buy 3 of them to be on the safe side as they are hard to come by.
Are the L ones compatible?
https://cajungunworks.com/product/slide-stop-spring-old-style/
Thanks for the feed back. :)
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Try the CGW spring and see if it works. It?s $3 plus $8 shipping so might as well order other stuff for your guns.
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I have some things to order both at CZ Shop and maybe CGW.
I have a special discount offer until may 28th : free shipping on CZS...
Just sent CGW an email to ask if it their slide spring would do the job. If so, I'll take it from them and add a stainless guide rod which IS both for flat and round springs... ::)
Was thinking that someone would've already worked on that question (slide spring) though. I'm surely not the first to ask?
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Edit (they're quick or the guy just connected himself :o ) :
My question
Slide stop spring CZ 75 old style Message Body: Hi, My CZ has the old style R (or rounded) shaped slide stop spring. Do you offer these? If so, I would need 2 of them. This one looks close to it, but it's the L shaped one for old CZs : https://cajungunworks.com/ product/slide-stop-spring-old- style/ Regards
Their answer :
As long as your spring follows the same contours of the 3OS on our website, you should be good.
Hum, basically I can't compare the 2 springs as I don't have the dimensions. So I'm on my own I guess... :-X
I'll wait for an answer from CZS (asked them if they could get the old style spring). If they can't find it, I'll try CGW's one.
Is the joe tool a good idea?
https://cajungunworks.com/product/joetool/
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My two full size CZs with safeties (75B, 75 Shadow), I've had these parts break/fail. ( Both have 60k RDS or maybe more rounds through them.):
ranked most likely to fail first:
Slide stops
Slide stops
Older style OEM trigger springs.(2) The newer trigger springs haven't failed since
Extractor (only one, where the blade chipped slightly)
Competition Hammer & Sear ( one of each when the sharp edges wore rounded between the sear and comp.hammer)
Pins that "I" have damaged when removing/installing them: Front Sight pin (2), Firing pin safety pin (1)
No pins have failed on their own.
No Firing Pins have ever failed. (I did install extended FPs with new springs a long time ago on both pistols)
No Firing Pin Springs have ever failed.
No hammer spring has ever failed ( I have lightened both springs for my pull weight preferences)
Stock mag springs will eventually "weaken" and need replacements.
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That is some good feed back, thanks.
Never changed slide stop springs so?
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Re slide stop spring. I honestly can't rember for sure, but I do remember having them out once in each pistol. :-\
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Edit (they're quick or the guy just connected himself :o ) :
My question
Slide stop spring CZ 75 old style Message Body: Hi, My CZ has the old style R (or rounded) shaped slide stop spring. Do you offer these? If so, I would need 2 of them. This one looks close to it, but it's the L shaped one for old CZs : https://cajungunworks.com/ product/slide-stop-spring-old- style/ Regards
Their answer :
As long as your spring follows the same contours of the 3OS on our website, you should be good.
Hum, basically I can't compare the 2 springs as I don't have the dimensions. So I'm on my own I guess... :-X
I'll wait for an answer from CZS (asked them if they could get the old style spring). If they can't find it, I'll try CGW's one.
Is the joe tool a good idea?
https://cajungunworks.com/product/joetool/
Hi!
Sorry for upping and old thread, but did you ever get a solution for this problem? I am in the same boat (need the more rounded "L" shaped spring) and just like you I can not find it anywhere but in that store in South Africa.
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Hi, if I recall well I found them at the CZ Shop (online) USA.