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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ CLONE CLUB => Topic started by: buckeyered on October 22, 2017, 02:59:47 AM

Title: CZ-75 Compact Clone with decocker?
Post by: buckeyered on October 22, 2017, 02:59:47 AM
I recently had to sell my CZ-75 Compact alloy with de-cocker and I need a less expensive replacement that is SA/DA and with de-cocker, any recommendations on a clone or even a poly sa/da with a de-cocker?
Title: Re: CZ-75 Compact Clone with decocker?
Post by: filterm on October 22, 2017, 10:09:44 AM
i'd be interested in this as well!
Title: Re: CZ-75 Compact Clone with decocker?
Post by: The Guardian on October 24, 2017, 10:38:23 PM
I recently had to sell my CZ-75 Compact alloy with de-cocker and I need a less expensive replacement that is SA/DA and with de-cocker, any recommendations on a clone or even a poly sa/da with a de-cocker?

"less expensive" is kind of a vague term, what is your max budget......a used CZ P-07 would be a great option, maybe $350-ish (+/-)
Title: Re: CZ-75 Compact Clone with decocker?
Post by: jwc007 on October 25, 2017, 02:23:07 AM
The MRI Poly Frame Baby Desert Eagle III may be to your liking.  http://www.magnumresearch.com/Firearms/Magnum-Research-Baby-Desert-Eagle-III-9mm-Polymer-Semi-Compact-15-Round.asp

(http://www.magnumresearch.com/GetDynamicImage.aspx?dir=itemImages&path=SVimg-BE99153RSL.jpg&w=326&h=278)

Buds has them around $540 ish  https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/2084_2108/products_id/2464/Magnum+Research+BE99153RSL+Baby+Desert+Eagle+Single%2FDouble+9mm+3.8+16%2B1+Blk+Ca
Title: Re: CZ-75 Compact Clone with decocker?
Post by: filterm on October 25, 2017, 09:58:01 PM
thanks jwc, it looks sweet. ive never used a firearm with a slide mounted decocker or safety. are they pretty intuitive and easy to get used to?
Title: Re: CZ-75 Compact Clone with decocker?
Post by: jwc007 on October 26, 2017, 02:54:39 PM
thanks jwc, it looks sweet. ive never used a firearm with a slide mounted decocker or safety. are they pretty intuitive and easy to get used to?

Yes!  Function is the same as that of the Beretta 92/M9 Safety.

Also, sometimes you can find a Poly Framed EAA Witness FAB92, which are much less expensive, but also a bit scarce as EAA does not regularly import them.
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/719006241/EAA+WITNESS+FAB92+9MM+POLYMER+AMBI+SAFETY+16RD

(https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/719006241_1.jpg)

I have the early Series 88 Tanfoglio TA90's that came with a Decocker/Safety.

(http://www.hunt101.com/data/549/3949TA90s.jpg)
Series 88 Tanfoglio 9mm TA90's, Full Size and Compact. These have been exceptionally accurate and reliable.

I can use either the conventional Cz-style Safety or a Decocker/Safety.  It matters not to me.  I generally carry a DA/SA Semi-Auto with the Hammer down on a live/loaded chamber and Safety OFF.
I will load and decock my carry or house Pistol on my back Patio, pointed into the lawn/backyard dirt.  Never a problem/bang!

Also, I have used my .45 Witness in many IPSC Matches, holding downrange when making ready, and manually decocked that Pistol without setting it off.
It has un-nerved a few less than knowledgeable Range Officers, but most have been okay with it as long as it does not go bang.
Title: Re: CZ-75 Compact Clone with decocker?
Post by: ZanderMan on October 26, 2017, 10:15:34 PM
Sig SP2022
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171027/cd3412995df159a247b9a866fe6724bd.jpeg)
Title: Re: CZ-75 Compact Clone with decocker?
Post by: Barebow on October 29, 2017, 05:38:41 PM
The Ruger American is not a clone  But still worth a look.

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/2084_21_49_1815/products_id/719020384/%2ARUGER+AMER+PISTOL+45ACP+10RD

I nearly bought one of these when considering a striker. But found a Witness Compact 45acp manual safety for a good price. I still may get the Ruger
Title: Re: CZ-75 Compact Clone with decocker?
Post by: filterm on December 20, 2017, 09:56:26 AM
The Ruger American is not a clone  But still worth a look.

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/2084_21_49_1815/products_id/719020384/%2ARUGER+AMER+PISTOL+45ACP+10RD

I nearly bought one of these when considering a striker. But found a Witness Compact 45acp manual safety for a good price. I still may get the Ruger

I had a Ruger American Pistol Compact 9mm (#8635). I liked the way it felt, but it was quite heavy for a polymer striker fired pistol compared to others available at the same size. Also I was hoping the pistol would take off as a platform due to its modularity, but very few aftermarket things have been developed for it, even holster selection is limited. Someone told me that it has similar fit to the M&P compact series but I never tried a holster for that. I have a feeling that they won't be developing or improving the American Pistol series in the future, but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: CZ-75 Compact Clone with decocker?
Post by: bgw45 on December 20, 2017, 04:16:23 PM
SAR B6PC, check CDNN for price. Mine shoots to point and runs.

Sorry, Not
 a decocker
Title: Re: CZ-75 Compact Clone with decocker?
Post by: briang2ad on December 30, 2017, 03:12:00 PM
Back to the OP - evidently not.  Nothing compact (short grip and short barrel) is a decocker and a clone.  SOME Semi-compacts and old steel guns had decockers, but they are ALSO safeties - which in my humble opinion muddles things and makes slide manipulation harder.  YOU can use a good technique to decock a safety version if you use your off hand thumb to block (NOT PINCH - which is stupid), and roll the thumb away.  BUT, this is still not as safe or convenient as your old PCR. 
Title: Re: CZ-75 Compact Clone with decocker?
Post by: aaangel on January 19, 2018, 09:52:35 AM
does canik t100 or c100 have decockers?  also ive been looking at armscor mapp series but i think it's only cock and lock also.
Title: Re: CZ-75 Compact Clone with decocker?
Post by: briang2ad on January 19, 2018, 12:33:26 PM
does canik t100 or c100 have decockers?  also ive been looking at armscor mapp series but i think it's only cock and lock also.

No.
Title: Re: CZ-75 Compact Clone with decocker?
Post by: jwc007 on January 19, 2018, 04:32:53 PM
also ive been looking at armscor mapp series but i think it's only cock and lock also.

The Armscor MAP and MAPP series Pistols use the traditional Cz75 Style Safeties.  No Decocker models there.

I have the Steel Framed MAP series Pistols, which have been reliable, after some Gunsmithing.

(http://www.hunt101.com/data/549/medium/MAP1_FS_MS.jpg)
Armscore/Tanfoglio MAP1 Full Size and Mid Size 9mm Pistols with Hogue Cz75 Grips and Mec-Gar AFC Cz75 17 round Magazines
Title: Re: CZ-75 Compact Clone with decocker?
Post by: aaangel on January 22, 2018, 05:04:44 PM
also ive been looking at armscor mapp series but i think it's only cock and lock also.

The Armscor MAP and MAPP series Pistols use the traditional Cz75 Style Safeties.  No Decocker models there.

I have the Steel Framed MAP series Pistols, which have been reliable, after some Gunsmithing.

(http://www.hunt101.com/data/549/medium/MAP1_FS_MS.jpg)
Armscore/Tanfoglio MAP1 Full Size and Mid Size 9mm Pistols with Hogue Cz75 Grips and Mec-Gar AFC Cz75 17 round Magazines

would you recommend the steel frame over the polymer? im in the market for the compact. where did you buys yours? how much and what was the "some gunsmithing" done on it. thanks in advance.
Title: Re: CZ-75 Compact Clone with decocker?
Post by: Vernonion on January 22, 2018, 07:52:03 PM
Maybe a good used PX4 or a Bersa Thunder ultra compact? I?ve never owned or shot either but I have heard no real negatives either.
Title: Re: CZ-75 Compact Clone with decocker?
Post by: jwc007 on January 23, 2018, 09:23:29 AM
would you recommend the steel frame over the polymer?

I prefer the Steel framed Pistols, but the Poly Framed Pistols have proved lighter and fairly durable.

where did you buys yours?

Special Order through LGS.  Grabagun.com just happened to have a shipment of them.

how much and what was the "some gunsmithing" done on it. thanks in advance.

Supplied Magazines that came with these Pistols are trash.  Replaced them with Mec-Gar Cz75B Magazines.  Replaced Extractor Springs with Wolff Extra Power Extractor Springs, due to FTE problems.  After these fixes, both have been excellent shooters.  I have carried the Mid-Size, and the Full Size has been used for a few IPSC Matches.