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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => Compact CZ 75s => Topic started by: 007_Bond on November 26, 2017, 11:58:26 PM
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Hey guys.
I know there?s lots of info on here and elsewhere on the P-01, but I?m looking for quick help.
Here?s my story - just got my conceal carry permit, was gonna get a Glock 19 until I saw Miitary Arms Channel talk about the P-01. From what I am research it looks like the P-01 is the better gun and more preferred by most users. Here?s my questions:
1.) Which variant of the P-01 should I get?
- omega, standard, de-cocker or safety model ? (Do they make a safety model?)
2.) How bad is the stock trigger?
- Can someone please give weight pulls for both DA & SA?
- Does it have a long reset? Or long pull? (... for single action)
3.) Does this have to be modded right away for it to be better than a standard stock Glock 19?
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Suggestions and answers:
Variant: PCR (no rail), no safety model is available in the alloy frame...only decocker
Stock Trigger: is okay, just changing out springs makes it much, much better
reset is really kind of medium, very good out of the box....trigger pull the same, overall good
Need to Mod: always a tuff one to determine, really personal choice......I'm not a Glock person so can't speak to that comparison. What I can say is if you change out the springs, about $20, it
may not need anything else done to it.
Hope this helps!........ :)
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Suggestions and answers:
Variant: PCR (no rail), no safety model is available in the alloy frame...only decocker
Stock Trigger: is okay, just changing out springs makes it much, much better
reset is really kind of medium, very good out of the box....trigger pull the same, overall good
Need to Mod: always a tuff one to determine, really personal choice......I'm not a Glock person so can't speak to that comparison. What I can say is if you change out the springs, about $20, it
may not need anything else done to it.
Hope this helps!........ :)
Thank you so much.
What?s the PCR variant? Is the PCR a true P-01?
How is it different than the standard P-01?
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The PCR is the best all around pistol on the market! My opinion. The PCR is the same as the P01 without the rail. As far as modding and trigger action goes these are all traditional DA/SA pistols and the triggers are a different animal compared to the plastic guns on the market today. They take practice to master as does any weapon. No modified trigger of any kind will make you a better shooter unless you spend the time to be good with it.
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Ok something else I discovered was most of the compact CZ 75 have the aluminum alloy frame, but one of them has a steel frame like the original CZ75.
Wouldn?t the steel frame be the better one to get since it?s stronger? People have mentioned to me that the aluminum alloy frames can break over time just from the constant vibration of shooting in general.
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Ok something else I discovered was most of the compact CZ 75 have the aluminum alloy frame, but one of them has a steel frame like the original CZ75.
Wouldn?t the steel frame be the better one to get since it?s stronger? People have mentioned to me that the aluminum alloy frames can break over time just from the constant vibration of shooting in general.
The people who say they have most likely never owned an aluminum alloy pistol. They probably still claim that polymer pistols will never work too lol. I?ve seen a P-01 with 50,000 rounds through it they shot as well as my P-01 with 3,000 rounds through it. Keep it properly maintained and you won?t have a problem.
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To address your overall question:
I was in the same position as you just a couple years ago. I was buying my first pistol and briefly looked at Glock before I came across CZ. I have a lot of Glock fanboy friends, and they all admit that the P-01 shoots better than their Glocks. They tend to like Glocks because of the large aftermarket support.
I do not have pull weights for the DA/SA, but I?m sure someone else on this thread can get they for you. I can say that the SA is very light and crisp out of the box. The DA may not be perfectly smooth out of the box, but it will get better with use.
If you are new to this and are going to conceal carry, I would suggest starting with the decocker model.
I went with the p-01 over the pcr due to availability and price. I found a great deal on the p-01 and nabbed it. If I found the PCR first, I probably would have gotten that. You can?t go wrong with either. There are lots of people carrying all steel pistols, but that doesn?t mean that it will be comfortable for you. That is a lot of extra weight. That would be okay at the range, but it?s an unnecessary addition for conceal carry.
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Thanks everyone.
Are these pistols harder to CLEAN/ maintain than a polymer pistol?
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As easy, if not easier......plus you have more options for grips, to fit you.....poly frames are pretty limited in being able to be adjusted to your preference.
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As easy, if not easier......plus you have more options for grips, to fit you.....poly frames are pretty limited in being able to be adjusted to your preference.
Thank you!
Sorry I guess I meant cleaning as well.
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The PCR is an awesome carry, just a little thicker than say a Shield so a bit harder to conceal. The extra capacity is worth it IMO.
The takedown (slide removal) on the PCR takes practice to do it smoothly so don?t let it frustrate you.
DA/SA doesn?t need a safety IMO because of the heavier DA pull for first shot. SA reset is as short as my P226 with the SRT kit.
No rail is necessary for a carry pistol, IMO.
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Much of what you are asking is purely personal preference. I have the steel compact and an aluminum clone. Both great guns but .. I will admit a preference for steel. I also think the steel version , in my eyes, is a bit more classy and refined looking but its a gun and that might not be important to you. I like the heft of steel and being somewhat old school .. I do perhaps erroneously think that steel is a better material for guns but I am not a metallurgist. Steel just gives more. I also prefer a safety over a decocker.
Steel is heavier no doubt but it reminds me of when I was into bicycling long distance. Guys would be shedding new parts to buy super expensive titanium bits to shave ounces off their steed and I would look at them and say . it would have been better and cheaper to lose the 20 extra pounds your carrying with a diet. YMMV but a good gun belt is a non option .. you need one and with one I have carried full size 1911's concealed for years and was fine. Having said that .. the aluminum sure feels good and light when you hoist it and my wife prefers the aluminum clone to the steel every time we go out.
But on to the things that are not to subjective. The trigger reset is nice. Not as defined as some other guns I have or have had but very discernible and about average in length before it engages. The trigger pull weight on mine out of the box wasn't very heavy, wasn't lumpy and it was easy to control but was pretty rough. I almost bought the spring kit before I had the gun in hand and I am glad I didn't because it doesn't need it. After 200 rds it worked itself in nicely. My Turk Clone, while a bit smoother had a very heavy DA and benefited from the spring kit. The CZ amazingly transformed itself after only about 200 rds and really smoothed out but when time permits I will be tearing down the CZ and doing a little polish because I think it could be better.
SA action breaks nicely. I dont have a scale so cant give you a weight but its pretty comparable to my other guns that I know have about a 5-5.5 break. There is some pickup that I notice when slow dry firing but I never notice it when shooting so its really a non issue for me.
If you will only have this one gun and you intend for it to double as nightstand and concealed carry and you think a flashlight is in your future for nightstand use than the p01 should suit you fine. I don't care much for its looks and I never hang stuff from my gun. I think the pcr is more readily available but at the time I bought mine I had a bit of trouble finding a steel compact. I dont see many listed here on the classified but Gunbroker usually has a couple.
Overall ... my cz is one of my favorite all time guns and I have had ALOT. It can use a bit of refinement out of the box but at its price point I dont mind a little table top gunsmithing. The Ergos is where they freagin SHINE!!
I have a Glock 17 gen5 and while I like the trigger a lot the ergos are wierd and I always find myself having to cant my wrist further forward to get good sight alignment. Its a nice gun but at about $70 more than my CZ there is no comparison, CZ wins hands down. I may look to trade my glock for a full size CZ.
If you get a chance check out Military arms channel on youtube. Mac went from glocks to CZ and he lists some very good reasons.
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My 2 cents worth follows. I have both a CGW PRO PCR and 2 CGW PRO P01s. I shoot my P01s better because of the slightly added nose weight, in my opinion. But, I'm not you. Buy which ever one you find first and can get your hands on to get the feel of the firearm. I really don't think you may find a LGS that has both in stock. BUT, whichever one you get, will cause CZ FEVER to strike you down and you will be hunting for the other one you didn't get...then you'll want better sights...better grips....better trigger pull weights...then more CZs...good luck, you will enjoy your CZ FEVER.....
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Alright guys, long story short ...
I had many good guns I was looking at but I was planning on getting a Glock 19 for my concealed carry but then happened to stumble upon the CZ 75 P-01 through the military arms channel. Last I knew he was caring the VP9 , Then I started watching all of his torture test and the contact. Which then led me to his new conceal YouTube video. Just was two nights ago, and I just purchased the CZ 75 PCR.
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Did you get the P-01 or PCR? They are not the same gun.
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Did you get the P-01 or PCR? They are not the same gun.
Yah yer right. Sry about that
PCR
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Did you get the P-01 or PCR? They are not the same gun.
Yah yer right. Sry about that
PCR
Great choice......can't see how you would be disappointed ;)
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Did you get the P-01 or PCR? They are not the same gun.
Yah yer right. Sry about that
PCR
Great choice......can't see how you would be disappointed ;)
Thanks!
I read for many hours the last couple days researching all this and I?m so glad I stumbled upon this pistol.
I actually really wanted the all steel, safety model (75 compact)... but after a couple key points and help from CZ I decided on the PCR.
Per CZ?s website:
1.) ?... Because the 75 Compact retains the steel frame of the original 75, only 2.4 oz of weight is lost...?
And I got to handle the normal full size CZ 75B, and I LOVE it but it?s HEAVY. So I?m glad I went with the PCR cuz it?s a 1/4 pound light than the CZ 75 compact.
2.) the guys at CZ said the steel version if it were to get any scratches or dings in it, it would eventually start to rust, where the aluminum won?t.
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Pcr is a nice choice! Do you have it in hand yet? Please be sure to post your thoughts. Give it at least 200 rds before you make any final impressions. I went out with my steel compact today and affirmed why i love it.
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Pcr is a nice choice! Do you have it in hand yet? Please be sure to post your thoughts. Give it at least 200 rds before you make any final impressions. I went out with my steel compact today and affirmed why i love it.
Hey thx! No not yet, just ordered it today. This is actually the FIRST firearm ive ever purchased not holding it in hand... kinda nervous. I did hold the 75B, Shadows, and SP-01 models though and partially based my decision off of that.
Hoping all the research I did pays off.
I will do that and will try to remember to post my initial impressions.
I really wanted the steel one but since I?ll be carrying this, it seemed smart to get the aluminum alloy version.
It?ll make a great companion for my EVO I?m hoping.
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Pcr is a nice choice! Do you have it in hand yet? Please be sure to post your thoughts. Give it at least 200 rds before you make any final impressions. I went out with my steel compact today and affirmed why i love it.
Hey thx! No not yet, just ordered it today. This is actually the FIRST firearm ive ever purchased not holding it in hand... kinda nervous. I did hold the 75B, Shadows, and SP-01 models though and partially based my decision off of that.
Hoping all the research I did pays off.
I will do that and will try to remember to post my initial impressions.
I really wanted the steel one but since I?ll be carrying this, it seemed smart to get the aluminum alloy version.
It?ll make a great companion for my EVO I?m hoping.
I've carried both the steel and alloy.......they both shoot very well, the alloy is just better suited for carry, The weight of the steel is just not comfortable towards the end of the day, plus you have to cinch the belt a bit more to compensate for the weight. ;)
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I think the D PCR is the best looking and has the best ergos of my 5 CZs. Without a doubt I enjoy shooting the D PCR more than my P-01.
As far as to which pistol I use for practicing drawing from a holster? My Glock 19. My pull weight on the 19 with a Glock "-" connector is 3.1 lbs. The DA pull on my P-01 and D PCR are close to 8 lbs, the SA pull weight on both is around 3.1 lbs. My first shot on the draw is always faster and more accurate with my G19.
If I were to carry (I live in Los Angeles it is not an option for me) I would carry my 43. Smaller and lighter than my D PCR/P-01 and the difference in capacity is not so great because we are limited to 10 round maximum magazines in California
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Congrats on the PCR!
Love my 75D Compact...
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So the store I bought the PCR from said they oversold them and I don?t have one. Bummer. But they are being very good about it and helping me out.
But in the meantime ... it gives me the opportunity to change my mind if I want to 😆
Anything else I should consider in the meantime ?
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I can get a P-01 no problem , but PCR might make me in for a bit of a wait
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Personally I prefer the P-01. They are super hard to find here.
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Ok something else I discovered was most of the compact CZ 75 have the aluminum alloy frame, but one of them has a steel frame like the original CZ75.
Wouldn?t the steel frame be the better one to get since it?s stronger?
For purposes of concealed carry to me the minor weight difference between alloy and a steel frame can be better addressed with my own personal dieting. After 25 years of wearing a decked out gunbelt, weight on my side doesn't bother me. I do prefer the better shooting that a all steel pistol affords me. Steel gives me an added insurance of durability which in my mind gives me confidence in my tool of self defense. Aluminum also requires you keep the slide rails wet with grease to prevent galling. Sig owners even have a chart to determine a rails amount of anodizied finish lose, thus giving it a life expectancy. No thanks, I'll stick to all steel and be happy with my basic 75B Compact.
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Did you get the P-01 or PCR? They are not the same gun.
I had ordered the PCR. They oversold so I?m in the hunt again.
Yes, thank you... I do know they aren?t the same gun. Very close with slight differences.
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Alright well... another update. My LGS just got a PCR in and a P-01 Omega Urban Gray Suppressor Ready, and the P-10c.
Things actually managed to turn out well for me as I discovered I?m not a huge fan of the PCR in general. The slide is very hard to rack, and the trigger I?m pretty big not a fan of. Long reset, stagey, etc. I know all this wil improve with time but I?m not sure I?m willing or patient enough to give it that time, especially since I don?t shoot often.
I LOVE the P-10C and in considering it, but I wanna make sure it gets all the kinks are getting worked out as it?s a new product.
I also love the Rami, but same feelings about it as the P10C.
Heck... I may just get a Glock. #CZblasphemy
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Heck... I may just get a Glock.
My goodness you overthink things don't you? Since you seem too, I pose this question. Gaston the buffon Gluck has admitted in court testimony that his glucks cost him $64 and change to produce and all the rest is profit. You now have to make the choice on if you are going to buy a Gen4 or a Gen5 gluck. Like Hickok45 said in his video, do you choose the Gen4 with its at the moment abundance of spare parts? Or do you pick the Gen5 with its future of spare parts availability? If even the gluck-o-phile Hickok45 ponders what he will do, maybe you should too. Or just get the P10c which as Hickok45 says, is a $100 cheaper and visibly more robust in every way.
I gotta wonder what about a PCR makes it hard for you to rack the slide.....
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P10C is an outstanding gun from all I?ve heard. I?d go for that!
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Heck... I may just get a Glock.
My goodness you overthink things don't you? Since you seem too, I pose this question. Gaston the buffon Gluck has admitted in court testimony that his glucks cost him $64 and change to produce and all the rest is profit. You now have to make the choice on if you are going to buy a Gen4 or a Gen5 gluck. Like Hickok45 said in his video, do you choose the Gen4 with its at the moment abundance of spare parts? Or do you pick the Gen5 with its future of spare parts availability? If even the gluck-o-phile Hickok45 ponders what he will do, maybe you should too. Or just get the P10c which as Hickok45 says, is a $100 cheaper and visibly more robust in every way.
I gotta wonder what about a PCR makes it hard for you to rack the slide.....
Ok let me go thru this...
I definitely like to think things thru and make the right decision the first time.
Second... I was already planning on buying a Glock until I stumbled on the CZ P-01... upon which I did extensive research (lots of hours) in just a couple days and made a very quick decision to get it (no stores around have them, heck neither do most online stores)
Lastly, I was half joking.
In the end - this has all been a very quick process for me and since that the P-01 / PCR is out of my hands (yes I get they are different guns... lol... kind of. Everyone keeps saying that and I get it, but really they are basically the same) now I?m up for re-evaluation.
Maybe it?s just the one I had but it was definitely hard to rack than the PCR.
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P10C is an outstanding gun from all I?ve heard. I?d go for that!
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I am currently leaning this way but jury is still out.
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I think the conversation, though spirited and informative, was misdirected. I think your actual question was, "which pistol make the most sense for me to carry?" The conversation would still be far ranging but it could not commence without knowing more about your background.
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Correct...
Things I want:
Carry pistol
Very Accurate
Very reliable
Very durable / TOUGH
Will stand the test of time
Good trigger (4.5-5lbs, short reset, crisp, minimal grittiness)
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Have you considered the P-07? It fits all of that criteria, and the slide is easier to rack on the p-07 than the p-01.
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Things I want:
Carry pistol
Very Accurate
Very reliable
Very durable / TOUGH
Will stand the test of time
Good trigger (4.5-5lbs, short reset, crisp, minimal grittiness)
And hopefully -
I really don't buy any pistol for any purpose but carry myself. Competition of any kind bores the hell out of me! I've always been a Sig man, its what I was issued, it was with me as my sole protection for decades. I always wanted to know more about a CZ since the 80's. Its only recently that CZ's have been available in my LGS's for me to finally examine. Coming from that strictly West German made steel and sense of quality, I gravitated to Sig when I retired. I found American Sig to be a crap shoot as far as quality goes. Just like you wrote, I want first and foremost..."very reliable, very durable and TOUGH". My most recent Sig left me wanting and sadly I discovered their very poor customer service. Then very shortly afterwards I finally found a LGS with a few CZ's in stock. Immediately examining it with my OCD mentality both inside and out one thing became immediately apparent. That CZ 75 was built just like my West German Sig's were. It had an air of rugged durability, it gave me a sense that it would last the test of time just like Col. Cooper believed. Not covered in laser aesthetics hiding its Korean made frame and Made in India mim internals. Trigger is subjective I suppose. Many CZ owners think I'm nuts for ranting about how smooth and crisp I think they are. Its for carry, I see no sense in competition parts opening windows of illegality for a smart lawyer. Its much easier to just grow in tune with the guns quirks just as good shooting cops do every qualification.
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Things I want:
Carry pistol
Very Accurate
Very reliable
Very durable / TOUGH
Will stand the test of time
Good trigger (4.5-5lbs, short reset, crisp, minimal grittiness)
And hopefully -
I really don't buy any pistol for any purpose but carry myself. Competition of any kind bores the hell out of me! I've always been a Sig man, its what I was issued, it was with me as my sole protection for decades. I always wanted to know more about a CZ since the 80's. Its only recently that CZ's have been available in my LGS's for me to finally examine. Coming from that strictly West German made steel and sense of quality, I gravitated to Sig when I retired. I found American Sig to be a crap shoot as far as quality goes. Just like you wrote, I want first and foremost..."very reliable, very durable and TOUGH". My most recent Sig left me wanting and sadly I discovered their very poor customer service. Then very shortly afterwards I finally found a LGS with a few CZ's in stock. Immediately examining it with my OCD mentality both inside and out one thing became immediately apparent. That CZ 75 was built just like my West German Sig's were. It had an air of rugged durability, it gave me a sense that it would last the test of time just like Col. Cooper believed. Not covered in laser aesthetics hiding its Korean made frame and Made in India mim internals. Trigger is subjective I suppose. Many CZ owners think I'm nuts for ranting about how smooth and crisp I think they are. Its for carry, I see no sense in competition parts opening windows of illegality for a smart lawyer. Its much easier to just grow in tune with the guns quirks just as good shooting cops do every qualification.
Thanks so much for your input. I appreciate your view.
What do you carry now?
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So you came across the P01 omega and passed on it ???? Some people just don't know whats in front of them.
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Thanks so much for your input. I appreciate your view.
What do you carry now?
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After I retired I stuck with my off duty Sig P239. Manufactured in the 90's when Sig was SigArms its quality is to the West German standard. I grew tired of carrying an extra mag, just too difficult in blisteringly humid S.W.Fl. I wanted extra capacity to negate the often times left at home extra mag. I also found its grip awkward, the gun top heavy and tip heavy. For a short time I went to the Sig P938 but didn't find pocket carry cocked and locked comforting. A Sig M11-a1 seemed the logical choice and I find comfort in my confidence in instinctly handling the platform. But its quality turned me away from Sig forever. Thats when I finally found CZ's to handle and examine. Frankly the first time I felt the compact 75's ergomonics it was like a light bulb went off in my head. My wife said I let out a gasp! I couldn't pass up the deal using CZ's first responder program, it made its cost well under half of what I paid for the Sig. Yet it had all the Teutonic quality I found in the Sig of old, maybe minus its poly guide rod! Its my carry now.
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So you came across the P01 omega and passed on it ???? Some people just don't know whats in front of them.
My LGS just got everything in that I?m interested in at the moment and I got to try them all out including the PCR, P-01 Omega, and P-10C.
I tried to love the PCR and P-01 Omega, but I am very not used to DA/SA. And since I?m not used to that system the DA is so long and heavy to pull. I understand that?s it?s safety feature, but it makes it unpleasant and uncomfortable to shoot. And the Omega version?s trigger was ?worse? IMO than the PCR. The reset is very long, and there?s a good amount of slack you have to take up every time. And I?m just not a fan of that, even if it is the ?favored child in the family?. I know I can get the CGW triggers installed on it but honestly I just don?t think I?m comfortable with the DA concept, nor do I wannna get rid of my new purchase for 2 & 1/2 months and spend another $500 to make me like it (sights and trigger). I?m also not sure about wanting to spend $1000 on a carry gun.
The things I do like about the P-01 and PCR are its all metal, reliable and comfortable in the hand.
So I am not meaning to be ugly but... honestly I do know what?s it front of me and just didn?t take to it, even if it is everybody?s favorite.
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I tried to love the PCR and P-01 Omega, but I am very not used to DA/SA.
And since I?m not used to that system the DA is so long and heavy to pull. I understand that?s it?s safety feature, but it makes it unpleasant and uncomfortable to shoot.
I?m just not a fan of that
honestly I just don?t think I?m comfortable with the DA concept
The things I do like about the P-01 and PCR are its all metal, reliable and comfortable in the hand.
So I am not meaning to be ugly but... honestly I do know what?s it front of me and just didn?t take to it, even if it is everybody?s favorite.
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I dont think anyone thinks your being ugly. This is a sub forum for the DA/SA compacts so maybe we are sku'ed that way here. I think most CZ fan's are sku'ed towards the DA/SA and not particularly gluck type pistol fans.
I think you finally answered your own question and are resolved to what YOU want. Personally I hate to see all this striker fired, safeties are stupid, fashion that is so prevalent today, but thats me. No action platform is for everybody I guess, thats why there are so many. Just remember that little plastic tab in the trigger is not a 100% safety. They say it is, but they fail to take in the human holding the pistol. Every single, and yes I mean every single without exception, 100%....every military and L.E. agency that went to a striker fired pistol has seen an increase in accidental/negligent discharges. Gluck will deny it, agencies might deny it. But it is true. Good luck finding what makes you happy and just be safe. I have used a DA/SA in anger more than once and never noticed the heavy DA. Never noticed the difference between the first shot and the subsequent shots. Never thought about its heaviness after decocking. And that Sig's trigger pull was a beast compared to my CZ's DA pull.
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Thanks so much for the reply. I appreciate it.
I just didn?t want my response to the previous post to be viewed as aggressive or arrogant.
I am very much new to the ?conceal carry pistol? arena.
And I very much do like safety features. A couple of my pistols had safeties on them (HK P30 and Sig Sauer P938). I appreciate those features. But then I discovered and learned the principle of ?never trust mechanical safeties?. And I get that too.
I do think I?m more of a striker fired pistol guy. It is definitely what I?m more familiar and comfortable with.
The PCR/P-01 I can tell is a very comfortable in the hand and quality gun. And my main attraction to it originally was due to a few reasons:
- all metal design
- safety from the DA design
- Tim from MAC channels carry preference
- proven reliability over the course of a long period of time
Since then I?ve discovered some more things that have made me not quite as over enthusiastic about this particular pistol.
- I?m not comfortable with DA trigger yet as I?m not good with it. And I do understanding training would help. I?m just not sure that I have the time to learning that platform as I don?t get to shoot all that often, and striker fired pistols are easier for me at least to pick up/learn/get comfortable with.
- I?ve talked with CZ several times and they?ve more than once said that their polymer pistols are just as tough & durable as the all metal designs. I honestly don?t know how this is possible ... plastic being just as strong as metal BUT I trust them to know more than I would. So the ?extra durability and toughness of all metal? concept doesn?t matter anymore I guess. Yes sure maybe it counts in other things like an all metal rail (where frame and slide join together) instead of just certain sections of the rail being metal and other sections being plastic of a polymer gun.
- Reliability over a long period of time (years) still rings true for the P-01, but it also does for polymer guns (i.e. Glock)
Anyways - when I first started this thread I was ready to pull the trigger on this P-01 or PCR merely cuz of reviews and thoughts on this forum and others (I know, bad thing to do right? But most of us do it to an extent), and as well most all know these particular pistols are hard to find, so getting a Janice to ?try before buy? was not an option. Until recently when my LGS has then show up and I got to try them. Beautiful gun, utterly reliable, accurate, durable, comfortable grip... etc. but in my hands and abilities, I don?t feel accurate or safe with a DA I guess.
Anyways - there?s my thoughts and I might possibly conclude soon that DA might not be for me but we will see.
I will probably be over at the Polymer section a or more now as I?m pretty interested in the P10-C. My only hesitation with it honestly is it?s pretty new, hasn?t been time proven yet, and by the looks of it it is still having a good amount of issues and is still in its growing pains stage.
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I do think I?m more of a striker fired pistol guy. It is definitely what I?m more familiar and comfortable with.
I?ve talked with CZ several times and they?ve more than once said that their polymer pistols are just as tough & durable as the all metal designs. I honestly don?t know how this is possible ... plastic being just as strong as metal BUT I trust them to know more than I would. [/quote]
You'll be hard pressed to find a striker fired all steel pistol.
I too fret over things like getting a model in its first production year. CZ does have many many years of polymer history though, be it the CZ 100 of old or the hammer fired current models. I don't think they are new to it. I wholeheartedly agree with you about the mainstream thinking of poly being as strong as steel. I don't care for it much. I do have a couple FN FNS-9c's and their FNX 45. None of them have had a malfunction and they are tough as nails like all FNAmerica products. I have edc the compacts, my wife does every day. Striker fire is just not for me. Hickok45's video does a visual comparision of the internals of the gluck and the CZ P-10c. If you haven't seen it, the robustness of the P-10c is apparent. The P-10c just doesn't seem compact enough to be called a compact to me.
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007_Bond did you make a decision on a gun yet?