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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ Polymer Pistols: P10, P-07, P-09 => Topic started by: jertex on February 07, 2018, 10:19:58 AM
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I decided to get the P10C as a candidate for my everyday carry simply because I like the size & wanted a striker fired polymer pistol with more capacity than my Shield for that purpose. I also just like CZ and the fact that they wanted to listen to customers and create a Glock alternative. I'm not a fan of Glocks.
After 150 rounds at the range, I'm not only unimpressed, I'm hugely disappointed in this gun. The biggest issue is the trigger pinch which I expected to encounter, I just didn't expect it to be as uncomfortable as it actually was and the trigger is just not as good as advertised in my opinion. I experienced finger discomfort with my Glock 23 (which I sold) but only after 4 or 5 magazines. The CZ was very uncomfortable to shoot at the first shot. I was all over the place with shot placement with this pistol. I found the trigger pull to be just marginally better than a Glock and not even in the same league as my Walther PPQ which I gave to my son (mistake). I also find it inferior to the cheap TP9 Caniks, all versions that I've fired. I own the TP9V2 and have fired the SA & SF & all three are significantly better shooters overall with better triggers. Combine this experience with the fact that to even want to shoot this gun at the range for a little practice I'll either have to significantly modify the trigger or replace it and I can't help but wonder if CZ QC people even fired the gun before releasing it to the public? I shouldn't have to alter the trigger to be able to stand shooting the gun. If Canik can get it right, then you would think that CZ could get it right, but evidently not.
I realize that my opinion is just that & I'm not trying to upset the folks that love this gun. I want to provide an honest opinion of my experience with the gun compared to other's in the same class. The good news for me is that I only paid $400 for it so I'm sure that I can get my money back when I sell it, which will hopefully happen quickly when I list it on TX Gun Trader this weekend.
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Wow, sure not my experience in any way or form. Mine just puts rounds thru previous round holes. I wonder if hand shape and size is a factor. I have relatively small / med sized hands, no real thickness at all. I've never been pinched once.
My dislikes are the slide release difficulty. Other than that, my Glocks don't even get close to how my P10c feels and shoots.
I do like the new Canik handguns. A friend has one, but I shot it and my P10c equally the same. I like the stock grips on his Canik better tho.
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If you're selling the gun then why post here? Get it out of your system? Lol
Just like every Glock, you can take a round dowel rod with some sandpaper wrapped around it and smooth it down slowly in about 2 minutes or less. Not a big deal. But since you're selling it...
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I was under the strange impression that this is the purpose of a forum but maybe I'm wrong, maybe it's only for people who want to read the positive experiences with a product. I also think that manufacturers should be able to produce a product that doesn't require taking a dowel rod & sand paper to it as soon as it's out of the box in order to make it reasonably shootable. I love CZ's other products so I don't think it's the norm for them, which makes this even more surprising to me.
Wow, sure not my experience in any way or form. Mine just puts rounds thru previous round holes. I wonder if hand shape and size is a factor. I have relatively small / med sized hands, no real thickness at all. I've never been pinched once.
My dislikes are the slide release difficulty. Other than that, my Glocks don't even get close to how my P10c feels and shoots.
I do like the new Canik handguns. A friend has one, but I shot it and my P10c equally the same. I like the stock grips on his Canik better tho.
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I guess I have what you would call medium/large hands but nothing out of the ordinary. There could be something strange about the way I hold the gun but I've had plenty of training & always have received the thumbs up from instructors on my grip. Plus, many others are experiencing the the same problem so I don't know why some don't have the finger pinch issue.
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Wow, sure not my experience in any way or form. Mine just puts rounds thru previous round holes. I wonder if hand shape and size is a factor. I have relatively small / med sized hands, no real thickness at all. I've never been pinched once.
My dislikes are the slide release difficulty. Other than that, my Glocks don't even get close to how my P10c feels and shoots.
I do like the new Canik handguns. A friend has one, but I shot it and my P10c equally the same. I like the stock grips on his Canik better tho.
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I guess I have what you would call medium/large hands but nothing out of the ordinary. There could be something strange about the way I hold the gun but I've had plenty of training & always have received the thumbs up from instructors on my grip. Plus, many others are experiencing the the same problem so I don't know why some don't have the finger pinch issue.
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Yeah, I too have seen people complain about it, but my finger doesn't drag or pinch or anything unusual. For a factory trigger, it's very good. I don't expect it to be of the quality cajun can do, but its very smooth for me, and my shot placement is perfect with it. I think you should try other ammo. CZ's are picky from what I've experienced. They'll eat anything, but prefer several over the others. That's been my experience with many firearms including Glocks, and they are all different from what I've read in other shooters experience on the ammo types. I'd definitely try different ammo, heavier is much better, 124g, 135g, or 147g. I have great experience with American Eagle 124g fmj, and Freedom 135g jhp. But my hst works well too, I just don't plink with expensive ammo. RM ammo never works well for me, but I think its possible for a reloader to work with ammo to perfect it specifically for his firearm.
Of course your experience is acceptable, but just odd compared to my experience and so many others who are polar opposite of you.
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Of course your experience is acceptable, but just odd compared to my experience and so many others who are polar opposite of you.
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When I was mentioning my experience above the quote of your post I was referring to a post made by wyoung which he has since deleted. It wasn't a response to you at all. Your responses are reasonable.
I shot 3 kinds of ammo: Federal AE 124gr, Federal HST 124gr & some cheap Monarch 115gr from Academy Sports. Whenever I buy a new gun that is intended for self defense, I always try multiple types of ammo & always shoot a couple of magazines of my preferred self defense ammo to make sure that it cycles it well.
Like I said, it could very well be that some of us hold the gun in a way that exacerbates the finger pinch issue, but it's a well documented issue so I hope CZ finds a way to address it in a gen 2 release of the P10. I'm glad you've had a good experience with it & was hoping mine would be as positive.
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Of course your experience is acceptable, but just odd compared to my experience and so many others who are polar opposite of you.
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When I was mentioning my experience above the quote of your post I was referring to a post made by wyoung which he has since deleted. It wasn't a response to you at all. Your responses are reasonable.
I shot 3 kinds of ammo: Federal AE 124gr, Federal HST 124gr & some cheap Monarch 115gr from Academy Sports. Whenever I buy a new gun that is intended for self defense, I always try multiple types of ammo & always shoot a couple of magazines of my preferred self defense ammo to make sure that it cycles it well.
Like I said, it could very well be that some of us hold the gun in a way that exacerbates the finger pinch issue, but it's a well documented issue so I hope CZ finds a way to address it in a gen 2 release of the P10. I'm glad you've had a good experience with it & was hoping mine would be as positive.
I understand and appreciate the clarification. I have heard others mention the trigger pinch, but not quality for the most part. I've also seen discussion about the mag release button, but again, mine hasn't been an issue. Then there's the firing pin movement that people are manipulating. There's a lot of things being discussed for sure, but by far more like and have had above average positive experiences. It's a shame you've had a negative experience. Have you tried the larger SP01 or a 75 P-01 / 75 D compact. I like the larger trigger area offered on those.
On triggers, I will have every CZ I own Cajunized. Its just worth the cost imho.
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Of course your experience is acceptable, but just odd compared to my experience and so many others who are polar opposite of you.
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When I was mentioning my experience above the quote of your post I was referring to a post made by wyoung which he has since deleted. It wasn't a response to you at all. Your responses are reasonable.
I shot 3 kinds of ammo: Federal AE 124gr, Federal HST 124gr & some cheap Monarch 115gr from Academy Sports. Whenever I buy a new gun that is intended for self defense, I always try multiple types of ammo & always shoot a couple of magazines of my preferred self defense ammo to make sure that it cycles it well.
Like I said, it could very well be that some of us hold the gun in a way that exacerbates the finger pinch issue, but it's a well documented issue so I hope CZ finds a way to address it in a gen 2 release of the P10. I'm glad you've had a good experience with it & was hoping mine would be as positive.
I understand and appreciate the clarification. I have heard others mention the trigger pinch, but not quality for the most part. I've also seen discussion about the mag release button, but again, mine hasn't been an issue. Then there's the firing pin movement that people are manipulating. There's a lot of things being discussed for sure, but by far more like and have had above average positive experiences. It's a shame you've had a negative experience. Have you tried the larger SP01 or a 75 P-01 / 75 D compact. I like the larger trigger area offered on those.
On triggers, I will have every CZ I own Cajunized. Its just worth the cost imho.
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Yep, I'm really annoyed, I want to like this gun. I even bought a nice leather holster because I was so sure I would like it. I own an SP-01 Tactical, factory configuration, & a CZCustom Protek I. The SP-01 isn't a great trigger but it's acceptable as a factory trigger and it's my quick access home defense pistol, so I will leave that gun stock. The Protek I isn't a fair comparison to any factory gun so I'm not expecting a trigger that shoots like that masterpiece. I've also owned a CZ75BD Police and a CZCustom Canik that had an amazing trigger, but have since sold both of those guns. I really didn't want to sell either gun but it makes my wife happy if I occasionally sell some as I accumulate others.
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I wouldn't give up on it yet . CGW is coming out with there new trigger soon and should be an improvement.
I have the HBI trigger and while better than the stock trigger it still pinches my finger . Other than that
it is without a doubt the most accurate pistol i own. As they said on another thread it's just stupid ;D
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This is why there is such a diverse firearms market. I understand not liking the gun and while the gun is probably just fine it just doesn't work for the op. Not everybody likes everything.
I tried an XDS a couple years ago and while it seemed every one liked them I hated it from the first mag I shot with it. That was the shortest relationship I've ever had with a gun.
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If I came off snarky or something that wasn't my intention. I just found it curious that little part you stuck in there about listing your p10 and selling it quickly and cheaply.
At any rate, I don't "love" the gun nor only want to talk about positive experiences. I've had my share of questions and gripes about the gun. Mainly the mag release, slide cover plate dropping, and the striker tilting. I didn't really notice the trigger face on my first range trip. After I read about it, I thought it could stand a little nicer feel but by no means was the sanding a must have.
I will be sending mine back to CZ because I know firsthand newer serial numbers don't have the issues I've experienced. I handled an FDE C451xxxx serial number over the weekend. The mag release was smooth and the striker was firmly in place.
That shows how quickly CZ is responding to the issues. Unlike the FN 509 which has had known magazine release issues since it was released and I haven't found any info to suggest FN has a fix or are willing to fix the issue.
Apparently the CZ warranty department is excellent to deal with also. What they don't fix to users satisfaction, the aftermarket has stepped in faster than any other new pistol I've known.
You cannot even compare this trigger with a PPQ trigger. The PPQ trigger has a rolling wall and break and is one of the most unique I've felt. Some love it, some don't. I like a more crisp wall and break like the P10 and most other guns I've fired. The Caniks I've dry fired did have decent triggers but are almost too light for concealed carry *for me*.
The P10 trigger seems to smooth and lighten up the more wear they get. I'd be curious to know if the already great, out of the box trigger pulls of the PPQ and Caniks lighten up too much when they get some wear on them.
I've seen a lot of people complain about the P10 trigger shoe but never a complaint about the trigger pull itself. If you haven't, I'd recommend you take your P10 back to where you bought it (if new) to compare to other P10s if possible and let a gunsmith give you an opinion. Maybe there's something wrong with the gun that needs to be fixed. Not everything is perfect the first go around and there are teething issues with quite a few new guns, past or present.
I think CZ has more than made their P10 slogan "Improving on Perfection," referencing Glock. The P10 so far is way better than Glocks and for less money.
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Of course your experience is acceptable, but just odd compared to my experience and so many others who are polar opposite of you.
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When I was mentioning my experience above the quote of your post I was referring to a post made by wyoung which he has since deleted. It wasn't a response to you at all. Your responses are reasonable.
I shot 3 kinds of ammo: Federal AE 124gr, Federal HST 124gr & some cheap Monarch 115gr from Academy Sports. Whenever I buy a new gun that is intended for self defense, I always try multiple types of ammo & always shoot a couple of magazines of my preferred self defense ammo to make sure that it cycles it well.
Like I said, it could very well be that some of us hold the gun in a way that exacerbates the finger pinch issue, but it's a well documented issue so I hope CZ finds a way to address it in a gen 2 release of the P10. I'm glad you've had a good experience with it & was hoping mine would be as positive.
I understand and appreciate the clarification. I have heard others mention the trigger pinch, but not quality for the most part. I've also seen discussion about the mag release button, but again, mine hasn't been an issue. Then there's the firing pin movement that people are manipulating. There's a lot of things being discussed for sure, but by far more like and have had above average positive experiences. It's a shame you've had a negative experience. Have you tried the larger SP01 or a 75 P-01 / 75 D compact. I like the larger trigger area offered on those.
On triggers, I will have every CZ I own Cajunized. Its just worth the cost imho.
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Yep, I'm really annoyed, I want to like this gun. I even bought a nice leather holster because I was so sure I would like it. I own an SP-01 Tactical, factory configuration, & a CZCustom Protek I. The SP-01 isn't a great trigger but it's acceptable as a factory trigger and it's my quick access home defense pistol, so I will leave that gun stock. The Protek I isn't a fair comparison to any factory gun so I'm not expecting a trigger that shoots like that masterpiece. I've also owned a CZ75BD Police and a CZCustom Canik that had an amazing trigger, but have since sold both of those guns. I really didn't want to sell either gun but it makes my wife happy if I occasionally sell some as I accumulate others.
Wow, you've tried some great guns there for sure. Maybe your grip habit and CZ's just don't work. As another said, everyone is different. That is all good and fine. I can't stand the grip of Glocks, but others don't mind that low hump.
One thing you said here that's interesting is that you don't think the SP01 Tact doesn't have a great trigger. That is the gun, and the trigger that brought me to fall in love with CZ's in general. I've had many friends of all different levels shoot mine and they loved that stock trigger as well. I still sent it off to Cajun, and now its even better.
It did take me a while to adjust my Likes to shooting a hammer fired Da/Sa gun, since I learned to shoot with striker fired handguns. I have spent the last 3+ years buying, selling, and trading almost every handgun available to learn what works for me. CZ has won in most categories for me, tho I still don't want to part with several great handguns I still have from my testing period.
Well, good luck with it OP.
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This is why there is such a diverse firearms market. I understand not liking the gun and while the gun is probably just fine it just doesn't work for the op. Not everybody likes everything.
I tried an XDS a couple years ago and while it seemed every one liked them I hated it from the first mag I shot with it. That was the shortest relationship I've ever had with a gun.
Me too. Had an XDS .45, and have shot a few friends 9mm models, and that thick grip is just a bit too much in my hand. It doesn't fit me well. Yet I have friends who love them.
We're all different. It doesn't mean a gun is great, the best, the worst, or dog squeeze, lol.
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The CZP-10C is the best shooting handgun I have even owned. Sorry you don't like it but then that's your problem not mine.
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The CZP-10C is the best shooting handgun I have even owned. Sorry you don't like it but then that's your problem not mine.
What's the point of this post? Your entitled to your opinion but jeez man, why so personal?
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I think that it is good for people to share both their positive and negative experiences with firearms. I've had literally hundreds of firearms over the years. Some I really like and still have. Some that just did not work for me so I've sold them and moved on. It is great to have choices.
I like my P10, but can understand some folks having issues with the factory trigger. It can be uncomfortable for some. I'm planning on replacing my P10 trigger as soon as CGW has a replacement out.
I believe that the OP is doing the right thing. If a gun does not work for you, sell it and move on. God knows there are a ton of other great pistols out there.
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The CZP-10C is the best shooting handgun I have even owned. Sorry you don't like it but then that's your problem not mine.
What's the point of this post? Your entitled to your opinion but jeez man, why so personal?
All I was saying is he doesn't like the P-10 but I do. As you said everyone it entitled to their own opinion and that was just mine. Sorry if it bothered you. Wasn't trying to be nasty.
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Triggers, fingers, grips. Some people have issues that others don't.
I never had issues with my .40 S&W P07 or my 9MM P09. But when I bought that .40 S&W P09 it just ate my trigger finger up. Exact same trigger as the 9MM P09 and same rounds as the shorter/lighter P07. But it would pinch my finger down at the trigger guard/tip of the trigger. I finally ordered a trigger for the older DUTY P07's and put in it and that cured the trigger bite issue on the "big" P09.
I went from 1911's to Glock. I thought, "what a lousy trigger." Then I went to XDMs. Then to M&Ps and man, those were worse than the Glock triggers. The my P07. Made me the CZ fan I am today. Well, to be more accurate, the P07 put on the road to becoming the CZ fan I am today.
You can't shoot a gun (very much) that hurts your trigger finger. That, and lack of accuracy keeps my Browning BDM in the gun safe. Understand how you feel about the trigger bite.
Good luck with whatever brand/model you try next.
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I found going to a larger size backstrap makes me grip the pistol higher, and therefore puts my trigger finger just higher enough that the pinch doesn't happen anymore. Adding something slick like electrical tape under where your finger gets pinched between the trigger and trigger guard also reduces the post-practice soreness.
To me, if it points naturally for me, I can train around the rest. From two range sessions to IDPA match, and even with an IWB, classified Marksman with little trouble. If I were to practice a little and not fumble the reloads I am sure I'd hit Sharpshooter or better with it.
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If I came off snarky or something that wasn't my intention. I just found it curious that little part you stuck in there about listing your p10 and selling it quickly and cheaply.
I see no reason that you found it curious unless you're again attempting to imply something.
That shows how quickly CZ is responding to the issues. Unlike the FN 509 which has had known magazine release issues since it was released and I haven't found any info to suggest FN has a fix or are willing to fix the issue.
Apparently the CZ warranty department is excellent to deal with also. What they don't fix to users satisfaction, the aftermarket has stepped in faster than any other new pistol I've known.
On this we agree, I had a problem with light strikes with my Dan Wesson 715 revolver & they paid for shipping both ways, resolved the problem & had it back to me in 10 days. Their warranty department is outstanding. I'm a photographer & use Canon pro equipment & their warranty response rivals Canon's on their pro photo equipment, which is saying something.
You cannot even compare this trigger with a PPQ trigger. The PPQ trigger has a rolling wall and break and is one of the most unique I've felt. Some love it, some don't. I like a more crisp wall and break like the P10 and most other guns I've fired. The Caniks I've dry fired did have decent triggers but are almost too light for concealed carry *for me*.
The P10 trigger seems to smooth and lighten up the more wear they get. I'd be curious to know if the already great, out of the box trigger pulls of the PPQ and Caniks lighten up too much when they get some wear on them.
I've seen a lot of people complain about the P10 trigger shoe but never a complaint about the trigger pull itself. If you haven't, I'd recommend you take your P10 back to where you bought it (if new) to compare to other P10s if possible and let a gunsmith give you an opinion. Maybe there's something wrong with the gun that needs to be fixed. Not everything is perfect the first go around and there are teething issues with quite a few new guns, past or present.
I think CZ has more than made their P10 slogan "Improving on Perfection," referencing Glock. The P10 so far is way better than Glocks and for less money.
Wow, not my experience with the PPQ at all. Mine (now my son's) is crisp & clean with a short, crisp, tactile reset. Mine is the only one I've fired so I can't speak to others. The trigger pull was a 4.8 lb average and the Canik that I own averages right at 5 lbs. My ideal pull on a defense handgun is between 4 & 5 lbs. For lack of a better term the DA trigger pull on the Canik averaged about 9 lbs and was relatively smooth & consistent. Quite similar to a good revolver. I haven't owned the SA or FA Caniks that I've fired so I can't really speak to their trigger pull weight but they seem comparable to the PPQ, maybe a tad heavier, but it's really hard to tell w/o a gauge.
Even worse for me than the finger pinch on the P10 was the fact that I couldn't shoot a decent group. I'm no champion shooter but I can shoot a 3" group at 10 yards (with the occasional flyer) with virtually every other pistol/revolver I own without a lot of effort. Not even close with the P10 which may have been completely due to the discomfort with the pinch, I just don't know at this point.
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Just curious have you let someone else shoot your P-10 to see if they shoot it any better than you can?. This might tell you if its the trigger or perhaps something else is wrong with your P-10.
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Just curious have you let someone else shoot your P-10 to see if they shoot it any better than you can?. This might tell you if its the trigger or perhaps something else is wrong with your P-10.
Excellent question. My two buddies who were with me did shoot the P10 & did experience the pinch. Their groups weren't good either but they don't shoot very tight groups as the norm, although they do OK. I'm perfectly willing to believe that I was affected by the discomfort caused by the finger pinch which may mean that I'm as big a wimp as I thought. :o It also could be in my head simply because I was expecting a better trigger than I experienced. I really jam my right hand as high & tight into the beaver tail as I can, which can cause a downward angle on the trigger finger that may make me more prone to the pinch.
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Just curious have you let someone else shoot your P-10 to see if they shoot it any better than you can?. This might tell you if its the trigger or perhaps something else is wrong with your P-10.
Excellent question. My two buddies who were with me did shoot the P10 & did experience the pinch. Their groups weren't good either but they don't shoot very tight groups as the norm, although they do OK. I'm perfectly willing to believe that I was affected by the discomfort caused by the finger pinch which may mean that I'm as big a wimp as I thought. :o It also could be in my head simply because I was expecting a better trigger than I experienced. I really jam my right hand as high & tight into the beaver tail as I can, which can cause a downward angle on the trigger finger that may make me more prone to the pinch.
I think you said you did not want to invest anymore money into your P-10 but I will tell you that I did in mine and its now one of the finest shooting handguns I have ever owned. Total investment around $155 including an HBI flat trigger with 3 pound striker spring, CGW tool steel striker and Gray Guns super black stainless steel guide rod with 15 pound spring. Trigger pull now averages 4 pounds 14 ounces and is smooth as silk. While the trigger finger pinch with the stock trigger never really bothered me, the HBI flat trigger completely eliminated that for me. So for a total investment of $655 I now have, what I consider to be, the most accurate handgun I have ever owned. My P-10 has performed flawlessly and I carry it every day.
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Before saying anything I want to make clear I believe a great trigger is just one part of a gun?s accuracy and overall performance. I?d rather have good sights and er foes with a decent trigger on a gun than the best trigger with not very good sights/Ergos
I finally was able to shoot a P10c. It was a friends, used (bought in December) P10c and I was a bit let down by, you guessed it, the trigger. The trigger was not comparable to a brand new PPQ let alone either of my used ones. The P10c I shot had some grit in the take up, a heavier break, a longer reset, and the pinching OP complains of. It was nowhere as good as any of the 3 out-of-the-box PPQs and the Canik TP9SF I?ve owned. My canik has a nicer trigger, hands down, and I paid 339 for it. I liked the sights, texture, ergos and lack of muzzle flip on the P10c. And it was accurate enough at 15y for defense use. It?s offhand groups rivaled the Canik but not the 4? PPQ with a couple thousand rounds and definitely not the 5? with several thousand through it. The P10c trigger is good-better than most $499 compacts but I was let down as I?d been reading all the great things and how the trigger was incredible for the last year, how it would overtake the striker fired pistol scene. I expected a PPQ reset with smooth takeup that didn?t seem to want to travel into the grip to fire. If I buy one I would put in the trigger system CGW is developing and probably the steel guide rod along with the CZC gold front night sight with a small dot rrear night sight. I?m a CZ fan and the only guns I own that have all stock components are my Canik, my P99 and 45 Shield(edc since the day I first shot it and bought it) if I?m not mistaken. The other thing I noticed is the P10c was large for an iwb CC gun. Larger than my Glock 19 and even a little bigger than the 4?PPQ. 1/10? of a difference height or grip width matters to me.
I have a Phantom,it?s Cajunized via the defensive carry package and ezd sights and I love it. Best shooting pistol I have. I wish they made a compact for carry although the p07 is somewhat similar. Also,have a CZ75b with the same setup only night sights from CGW and love it almost as much. I want a compact CZ.
I?m still thinking about buying a P10c and dropping in a trigger and maybe sights. OTOH I may buy the more proven P07 (or a steel/alloy compact like a PCR or p01) instead. I had a p07 and traded it a couple years ago. An obvious mistake as I remember very little of it. I don?t kmow which Compact CZ I can make sing the best and do so using the least $ It would serve as a carry and range/steel challenge fun gun.
Tbh I was most surprised with the M&P 2.0 9mm than anything i shot Monday. It was near new, has better stippling and ergos and sights than the P10c IMO and is smaller-enough to matter for carry. I do carry a bone stock 45 shield so maybe I?m biased but the trigger has very little takeup, a clean 5lb break with no over travel and an okay reset. IME the trigger gets much better and lightens up nicely with just 300rds or so. 75 for an apex action kit or 150 for the kit and fwd set flat trigger might be worth it. Bone stock it was nearly as accurate as my 4? PPQ. The 45 shield I have is a tack driver out to 25y and the 9mm 2.0 proved to be the same. It would make sense to get one if I want to stay with the same manual od arms... however i have no doubt I?d end up putting an apex trigger and tfx sights on, woule likely carry over to my Shield.
Sorry for the novel. I agree with op to an extent but no one gun fits all.
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And I, as the chief cook and bottle washer for this place, agrees that the free flow of information IS what's important here, not a huge cheering section, but not a giant bashing demolition derby, as I have seen elsewhere, and have had to eliminate here. Courtesy IS the watch word here.
No gun will fit anyone, and it's impossible to try. Otherwise we would have one full size pistol, one compact pistol and one subcompact pistol from one maker for everyone, and that would be that. Maybe you could get different colors...
So diversity is an excellent thing for handguns, as we all like different things. Many people love Glock - I can't stand 'em, don't fit me worth a hoot. I talked to an old friend who has been doing the CZ thing for longer than I have, and he was somewhat surprised that I had decided to carry a striker fired pistol after so many years of being a hammer guy. It's OK, everyone likes something a little bit different, and that's the beauty of firearms diversity. ;)
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Well said armoredman. The gen 4 Glock 19 with medium back strap was made for my hand, finger groves and all .( except those darn plastic sights)
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Tbh I was most surprised with the M&P 2.0 9mm than anything i shot Monday. It was near new, has better stippling and ergos and sights than the P10c IMO and is smaller-enough to matter for carry.
I love the grip texture on the M&P 2.0 - IMO as good as it gets for a factory "stipple" job :)
If you liked the M&P 2.0 full size you should check out the M&P 2.0 Compact... it is G19 sized, which many believe is the ideal size for carry.
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Tbh I was most surprised with the M&P 2.0 9mm than anything i shot Monday. It was near new, has better stippling and ergos and sights than the P10c IMO and is smaller-enough to matter for carry.
I love the grip texture on the M&P 2.0 - IMO as good as it gets for a factory "stipple" job :)
If you liked the M&P 2.0 full size you should check out the M&P 2.0 Compact... it is G19 sized, which many believe is the ideal size for carry.
This. 2.0 grip texture is without a doubt the nicest OEM polymer texture on the market. I'm in love with my 2.0 Compact and 2.0 4.25", especially after putting Apex FSS kits in them both.
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Tbh I was most surprised with the M&P 2.0 9mm than anything i shot Monday. It was near new, has better stippling and ergos and sights than the P10c IMO and is smaller-enough to matter for carry.
I love the grip texture on the M&P 2.0 - IMO as good as it gets for a factory "stipple" job :)
If you liked the M&P 2.0 full size you should check out the M&P 2.0 Compact... it is G19 sized, which many believe is the ideal size for carry.
This. 2.0 grip texture is without a doubt the nicest OEM polymer texture on the market. I'm in love with my 2.0 Compact and 2.0 4.25", especially after putting Apex FSS kits in them both.
My brother in law just bought a 4.25" M&P 2.0 and absolutely loves it. Enough so that I think SIG lost a loyal customer. I'm gonna shoot it next weekend.
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Tbh I was most surprised with the M&P 2.0 9mm than anything i shot Monday. It was near new, has better stippling and ergos and sights than the P10c IMO and is smaller-enough to matter for carry.
I love the grip texture on the M&P 2.0 - IMO as good as it gets for a factory "stipple" job :)
If you liked the M&P 2.0 full size you should check out the M&P 2.0 Compact... it is G19 sized, which many believe is the ideal size for carry.
This. 2.0 grip texture is without a doubt the nicest OEM polymer texture on the market. I'm in love with my 2.0 Compact and 2.0 4.25", especially after putting Apex FSS kits in them both.
My brother in law just bought a 4.25" M&P 2.0 and absolutely loves it. Enough so that I think SIG lost a loyal customer. I'm gonna shoot it next weekend.
Here's my 2.0 4.25". Gun has just over 6K rounds on it as of now. Has never given me an issue one and it's a tack driver.
(https://i.imgur.com/YEBPClJ.jpg?1)
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Nice! How do all the lightening cuts affect felt recoil/flip? My brother in law's X Carry was considerably more snappy than his STD P320. I've read conflicting reports on what you get with a lightened slide. I just figured the benefit comes when you add the weight of an RDS. Muzzle flip isn't an issue for me, but I can tell a difference from one gun to another.
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Tracks flat as all get out.
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Here's my 2.0 4.25". Gun has just over 6K rounds on it as of now. Has never given me an issue one and it's a tack driver.
Nice! Who did the slide work? ........ j/k :)
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Sorry to hear that the P10C didn't work out for you. I just picked up a second one myself. I did have issues with the trigger pinch but did not notice it on mine until I hit about the 800 round mark. I put in an HBI trigger and it really didn't do much to get rid of the pinch until I filed the front fangs off of the HBI trigger. It's feels perfect now. Others must have found the same thing as the HBI trigger does not come with fangs any longer.
I don't know why, but the P10C seems to be the most naturally pointing gun for me outside of maybe a full size 1911. Truth be told, it probably points better for me than the 1911 but being in love with the 1911 platform I just can't bring myself to say that directly.
I used to know an old used car salesman and he had a knack for selling some real dogs. I asked him one time how he sells some of the stuff nobody wants and his reply was that there's a butt for every seat. You just need to get the right person to the car and it sells itself. Guns are that way too I guess. Not everything works for everyone, but there is something out there for everyone.
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Sorry to hear that the P10C didn't work out for you. I just picked up a second one myself. I did have issues with the trigger pinch but did not notice it on mine until I hit about the 800 round mark. I put in an HBI trigger and it really didn't do much to get rid of the pinch until I filed the front fangs off of the HBI trigger. It's feels perfect now. Others must have found the same thing as the HBI trigger does not come with fangs any longer.
I don't know why, but the P10C seems to be the most naturally pointing gun for me outside of maybe a full size 1911. Truth be told, it probably points better for me than the 1911 but being in love with the 1911 platform I just can't bring myself to say that directly.
I used to know an old used car salesman and he had a knack for selling some real dogs. I asked him one time how he sells some of the stuff nobody wants and his reply was that there's a butt for every seat. You just need to get the right person to the car and it sells itself. Guns are that way too I guess. Not everything works for everyone, but there is something out there for everyone.
Excellent post.
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I'm a big fan of the CZ firearms. But I would absolutely agree with you regarding the Caniks. I've been watching for the P-10C since it has been announced. However, these pistols sell like hot cakes around here so it's near impossible to get a feel for one before purchasing. I finally gave in and blindfoldedly ordered myself one. I would have to say that I'm happy with the overall built and quality of the firearm. Is the trigger good? Absolutely. But is it really as impressive as so many claim it to be? To be honest, no. I've shot a few Canik's and I found the Canik's to be a bit better. I own the TP9SF Elite myself. And when I compare the two triggers side by side, I could definitely feel the difference. Hands down I shoot better with the Elite. But this is only my opinion and what works for me may not work for you so take it for what it's worth.
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Nice! How do all the lightening cuts affect felt recoil/flip? My brother in law's X Carry was considerably more snappy than his STD P320. I've read conflicting reports on what you get with a lightened slide. I just figured the benefit comes when you add the weight of an RDS. Muzzle flip isn't an issue for me, but I can tell a difference from one gun to another.
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I own a Sig P320 X-Carry and don't find it snappy at all. Excellent shooting gun in my opinion.
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I'm a big fan of the CZ firearms. But I would absolutely agree with you regarding the Caniks. I've been watching for the P-10C since it has been announced. However, these pistols sell like hot cakes around here so it's near impossible to get a feel for one before purchasing. I finally gave in and blindfoldedly ordered myself one. I would have to say that I'm happy with the overall built and quality of the firearm. Is the trigger good? Absolutely. But is it really as impressive as so many claim it to be? To be honest, no. I've shot a few Canik's and I found the Canik's to be a bit better. I own the TP9SF Elite myself. And when I compare the two triggers side by side, I could definitely feel the difference. Hands down I shoot better with the Elite. But this is only my opinion and what works for me may not work for you so take it for what it's worth.
Welcome to the forum and glad you finally got a new P-10. The more you shoot it the more you'll like it.
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Since the Caniks were mentioned favorably here, I rented the TP9SF at a local range last week to check them out. Accurate and nicely handling pistol.
However, I ran into a ?false reset? with the trigger on this particular pistol...there were two clicks needed for a complete reset. On the first click, pressing the trigger would release the firing pin but it would not fire (no indent on the primer). In order for it to fire, you had to let it go through both clicks on the trigger. Having used S&W 3rd generation DAO pistols, I realized that might be what was happening after a few times. I mentioned it to the store assistant when returning the pistol and he said that he would have their armorer look at it. Later, I did an internet search and saw there was some mention of this issue, probably caused by the trigger bar/firing pin block being out of spec. Still, a fine handling pistol for its class.
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Since the Caniks were mentioned favorably here, I rented the TP9SF at a local range last week to check them out. Accurate and nicely handling pistol.
However, I ran into a ?false reset? with the trigger on this particular pistol...there were two clicks needed for a complete reset. On the first click, pressing the trigger would release the firing pin but it would not fire (no indent on the primer). In order for it to fire, you had to let it go through both clicks on the trigger. Having used S&W 3rd generation DAO pistols, I realized that might be what was happening after a few times. I mentioned it to the store assistant when returning the pistol and he said that he would have their armorer look at it. Later, I did an internet search and saw there was some mention of this issue, probably caused by the trigger bar/firing pin block being out of spec. Still, a fine handling pistol for its class.
Never handled a Caniks but that trigger would be concerning to me.