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ARCHIVES => CZF ARCHIVES II => Lights, Lasers and Red Dots => Topic started by: bpnkrtn on April 19, 2018, 03:03:50 PM
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I just got my slide back from Primary Machine, as usual excellent work and good turn around time.
(https://i.imgur.com/PW7kvpv.jpg?3)
The original sights co-witness very well. I have a couple more pictures but am having a #*&# of a time getting the images sized correctly ... hopefully more to come. Got tired of messing with Imagur.
More pictures (https://photos.app.goo.gl/IVfx22ozm9l5ez9P2)
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I just got my slide back from Primary Machine, as usual excellent work and good turn around time.
The original sights co-witness very well. I have a couple more pictures but am having a #*&# of a time getting the images sized correctly ... hopefully more to come. Got tired of messing with Imagur.
More pictures (https://photos.app.goo.gl/IVfx22ozm9l5ez9P2)
That's a really nice carry optic setup for the CZ-75's. The Shield is small enough to fit in front of stock rear iron and mount nice and low without requiring extra thickness (and expense) of a plate. And the Shield stays on 24/7 yes? IMHO that's perfect for a carry gun.
Is the optic zeroed yet? The image of co-witness looks like the BUIS might need to be a bit taller? Did you purchase the Shield directly from UK, or did you find a better (price) source?
I've been experimenting with the JPoint MRDS (also made by Shield) without milling on a Leupold CZ-75 dovetail mount. But your set up looks much more durable if for EDC.
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That looks great. I haven't heard of a Shield RMS. Researching it now.
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I just got my slide back from Primary Machine, as usual excellent work and good turn around time.
The original sights co-witness very well. I have a couple more pictures but am having a #*&# of a time getting the images sized correctly ... hopefully more to come. Got tired of messing with Imagur.
More pictures (https://photos.app.goo.gl/IVfx22ozm9l5ez9P2)
That's a really nice carry optic setup for the CZ-75's. The Shield is small enough to fit in front of stock rear iron and mount nice and low without requiring extra thickness (and expense) of a plate. And the Shield stays on 24/7 yes? IMHO that's perfect for a carry gun.
Is the optic zeroed yet? The image of co-witness looks like the BUIS might need to be a bit taller? Did you purchase the Shield directly from UK, or did you find a better (price) source?
I've been experimenting with the JPoint MRDS (also made by Shield) without milling on a Leupold CZ-75 dovetail mount. But your set up looks much more durable if for EDC.
They're lower 1/3. More of a "Uhhh, my dot crapped the bed. But at least I still have 100% functional irons."
The Shield RMS has a neat little notch cut on the top/rear of it so you do't need as tall of sights as you would think to achieve a lower 1/3 co witness.
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That looks great. I haven't heard of a Shield RMS. Researching it now.
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SP01bob ... You've probably found this by now Shield Sights (http://www.shieldpsd.com/url)
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Vinny ... you deserve a lot a lot of the blame(credit) for this expense ;D Your thread on mounting a JPoint on a Leupold mount is what got me headed in this direction. The more I read on the Shield the more I wanted a metal RDS. Based on my experience with a Leupold Deltapoint Pro on an M&P CORE I knew I wanted the optic "lower." And yes the Shield is always on with battery life estimated for only 2+ years ... I just got the slide yesterday so I haven't gotten to the range yet so I can't comment on zero. Brownells (https://www.brownells.com/optics-mounting/electronic-sights/reflex-sights/compact-reflex-mini-sight-rmsc--prod116190.aspx/url) has them for $400, but I ordered it from Lone Wolf (https://www.lonewolfdist.com/Search.aspx?usterms=Shield%20RMS/url) for $350. Shield is advertising an RMSc which has the same footprint/bolt pattern but is slightly narrower. As my picture shows (I hope) the RMS is just a little wider than the P-01 slide. I got the 8 MOA RMS to try the larger dot, if I decide I want to go back to a smaller dot I'll give the RMSc a try.
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A little more information on the RMSc. (http://www.shieldpsd.com/shop-2/rmsc-reflex-mini-sight-compact-4moa/url) Scroll through the pictures and there is a side by side photo.
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That looks great. I haven't heard of a Shield RMS. Researching it now.
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SP01bob ... You've probably found this by now Shield Sights (http://www.shieldpsd.com/url)
Yes, I did, and thanks. I appreciate it tho.
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Vinny ... you deserve a lot a lot of the blame(credit) for this expense ;D Your thread on mounting a JPoint on a Leupold mount is what got me headed in this direction. The more I read on the Shield the more I wanted a metal RDS. Based on my experience with a Leupold Deltapoint Pro on an M&P CORE I knew I wanted the optic "lower." And yes the Shield is always on with battery life estimated for only 2+ years ... I just got the slide yesterday so I haven't gotten to the range yet so I can't comment on zero. Brownells (https://www.brownells.com/optics-mounting/electronic-sights/reflex-sights/compact-reflex-mini-sight-rmsc--prod116190.aspx/url) has them for $400, but I ordered it from Lone Wolf (https://www.lonewolfdist.com/Search.aspx?usterms=Shield%20RMS/url) for $350. Shield is advertising an RMSc which has the same footprint/bolt pattern but is slightly narrower. As my picture shows (I hope) the RMS is just a little wider than the P-01 slide. I got the 8 MOA RMS to try the larger dot, if I decide I want to go back to a smaller dot I'll give the RMSc a try.
Thanks bpnkrtn,
When I bought my first JPoint 18 months ago; no one had heard of the Shield RMS. The JPoint is actually Shield's earlier model MRDS. But the metal frame and lower profile of the RMS is an improvement.
If I had it to do over again; (which I might anyhow) I would go the Shield RMS route for my CZ 75's. I wasn't aware of the RMSc either; so thanks for that tip too.
Things change quickly in electronics; so thanks for posting this. I would think that your Shield setup is the best way to go now for milling a RDS for CZ-75's; unless for some reason you want to spend a whole lot more $$ just to have a RMR and another +$200 for the Trijicon mounting plate plus milling cost. Ouch!
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looks great!
I have the shield "mini sight" on my M&P 9l, it sits very low so co -witness is easy if you want it.
it looks like it's about $100 less than the reflex, only downside is you need to remove it to change the battery.
I've had mine for almost a year and use it quite a bit...........just changed the first battery last weekend.
Auto off works great if you put the cover on it when not in use.
http://www.shieldpsd.com/portfolio-posts/shield-mini-sight (http://www.shieldpsd.com/portfolio-posts/shield-mini-sight)
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Bpnkrtn,
Now... it's your fault! (in a good way - lol).
Based on your post, it really looks like the Shield RMS or RMSc is currently the best RDS setup for a CZ-75. Are you still pleased after having a chance to shoot it more?? Lower 1/3 BUIS co-witness OK??
I've been shooting my P-01 with the 'temporary' JPoint/Leupold mount setup and absolutely love the way it shoots quickly and accurately. But it required two 'wedgies' to have enough elevation adjustment, making it a bit clumsy. However, it has worked well enough to convince me to go ahead and have it milled.
I found a good deal on a 4moa Shield RMS at GT Distributors gtdist.com for $319 so I jumped in.
With my blurry near vision, the 4moa dot looks like a 6 or 8 moa anyhow.
Will post results in a month or so after milling.
Thanks, Vinny
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Bpnkrtn,
Now... it's your fault! (in a good way - lol).
Based on your post, it really looks like the Shield RMS or RMSc is currently the best RDS setup for a CZ-75. Are you still pleased after having a chance to shoot it more?? Lower 1/3 BUIS co-witness OK??
I've been shooting my P-01 with the 'temporary' JPoint/Leupold mount setup and absolutely love the way it shoots quickly and accurately. But it required two 'wedgies' to have enough elevation adjustment, making it a bit clumsy. However, it has worked well enough to convince me to go ahead and have it milled.
I found a good deal on a 4moa Shield RMS at GT Distributors gtdist.com for $319 so I jumped in.
With my blurry near vision, the 4moa dot looks like a 6 or 8 moa anyhow.
Will post results in a month or so after milling.
Thanks, Vinny
Vinny ... sorry for the delay in responding. I'm very happy with the P-01/ Shield RMS setup. The lower one-third co-witness works well but I have to admit that I'm basically oblivious to the irons anymore ... which is a good thing I think.
I've gone all in on red dots ... they are just much easier to shoot with my "old eyes." I ordered a Shield 4 MOA RMSc for my PCR and am considering having it milled into the rear dove tail or perhaps better said ... have the rear dove tail milled out for the RMSc mounting area. And just use the RMSc "notch" for the rear iron sight. I believe the notch in the RMSc would supply all the back-up sight I need, or would use.
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I also took the RMS off my P-01 and mounted the RMSc on it. Primary Machine was right when they said that they mill an exact cut for the RDS you supply! The RMS was very tight coming out of the milled slot and the RMSc was equally tight getting mounted! I unfortunately didn't get a picture but the compact RMS was just about a perfect match to the P-01 slide width ... slightly more aesthetically pleasing than the regular RMS ... FWIW.
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I also took the RMS off my P-01 and mounted the RMSc on it. Primary Machine was right when they said that they mill an exact cut for the RDS you supply! The RMS was very tight coming out of the milled slot and the RMSc was equally tight getting mounted! I unfortunately didn't get a picture but the compact RMS was just about a perfect match to the P-01 slide width ... slightly more aesthetically pleasing than the regular RMS ... FWIW.
Thanks for your update!
I was pondering whether to go RMS or RMSc on my P-01. Ordered the RMS because of the easier access battery door; but I could put it on my RAMI BD which has a wider slide top surface; and order an RMSc for the P-01.Does the RMSc sit any lower and co-witness any better with the stock sights? If you have a chance; an image of the RMSc on P-01 would be helpful. Thanks Again - Vinny
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It appears to me (remember we have been discussing old eyes :-\) the compact version is the same length and height and thickness as the RMS. The only difference I see is the width. If my observations are correct then the co-witness would be the same... and it did appear to be the same when I had it mounted.
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I see the Shield warranty is for a term of 7 years. Do they have to go to the UK for service?
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Sorry ... I have no information on warranty and service ... maybe someone else on here does.
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It appears to me (remember we have been discussing old eyes :-\) the compact version is the same length and height and thickness as the RMS. The only difference I see is the width. If my observations are correct then the co-witness would be the same... and it did appear to be the same when I had it mounted.
Thanks, that info really helps!
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So, for what it's worth.....The Shield RMS, Shield-JPoint., and Shield RMSc all have the same mounting pattern; which is the same as Leupold DPPro.
Here's an image showing the Shield RMS on the Leupold p/n 170903 CZ-75 mount which gave me a chance to try a RDS on my P-01 without milling.
(https://i.imgur.com/yphUYMd.jpg?1)
I like this setup so much, and based upon Bpnkrtn's encouraging posts..... I just sent my P-01 slide off to Primary to mill for the Shield RMS and Cerakote the slide Titanium color.
I did ask them to mill 1/1000 or so bigger in case I want to put an RMSc on instead and use the RMS elsewhere. They're supposed to be identical except the RMSc is .095 narrower; that's less than 1/8" but I suppose it might match the slide width better, but I do like the battery drawer on the RMS.
We'll have to see. Images to follow when I get it back from Primary.
Thanks Bpnkrtn for starting this Post! -Vinny
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I see the Shield warranty is for a term of 7 years. Do they have to go to the UK for service?
unfortunately yes they do. My first one died on me (very easy to break thee if you over tighten the windage or elevation screw)
took almost a month to get to get a new one sent to me.
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Is the extractor roll pin easily accessed? I cant tell how close the front of the RD is to the pin...
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This is great information, thanks guys!!
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Is the extractor roll pin easily accessed? I cant tell how close the front of the RD is to the pin...
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I believe Raining Brass can best answer this question specifically. Primary's cut is usually .100 deep to preserve access.
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Depends on configuration. With the RMS if you select to mill out the rear dovetail, it doesn't go into the extractor retaining pin at all. If you select to mill in front the OEM dovetail we mill that area, but does't hinder function in any way.
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Depends on configuration. With the RMS if you select to mill out the rear dovetail, it doesn't go into the extractor retaining pin at all. If you select to mill in front the OEM dovetail we mill that area, but does't hinder function in any way.
So if I understand correctly, if the RMS is milled in front of rear dovetail; the extractor retaining pin can still be accessed by removing the optic?
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Depends on configuration. With the RMS if you select to mill out the rear dovetail, it doesn't go into the extractor retaining pin at all. If you select to mill in front the OEM dovetail we mill that area, but does't hinder function in any way.
So if I understand correctly, if the RMS is milled in front of rear dovetail; the extractor retaining pin can still be accessed by removing the optic?
Oh, yes of course. There's no way it can be done away with completely for obvious reasons.
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I caved today and bought an RMR. I just can't bring myself to buy a Shield RMS with how fragile they seem to be. I hope they make some improvements because they really are the perfect solution for metal framed CZ's. Until then I'll have to be satisfied with my P10 for an RDS host.
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I caved today and bought an RMR. I just can't bring myself to buy a Shield RMS with how fragile they seem to be. I hope they make some improvements because they really are the perfect solution for metal framed CZ's. Until then I'll have to be satisfied with my P10 for an RDS host.
Earl ... Howdy and welcome to the world of red dots. I'm curious as to your experience that makes you say the RMS is fragile ... I appreciate hearing about it.
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I caved today and bought an RMR. I just can't bring myself to buy a Shield RMS with how fragile they seem to be. I hope they make some improvements because they really are the perfect solution for metal framed CZ's. Until then I'll have to be satisfied with my P10 for an RDS host.
Earl ... Howdy and welcome to the world of red dots. I'm curious as to your experience that makes you say the RMS is fragile ... I appreciate hearing about it.
To be clear, I'm not saying they're crap or anything. Quite the contrary, this would be my only choice for a metal framed CZ. I'm not new to red dots, I've had FF3's for a couple years now. One on a Kadet, another on a 97B, and most recently on my Scorpion.
The RMR/P10 will be my first to have milled, so I've been watching reviews and reading before making the commitment. Admittedly, I don't have first hand experience with the RMS other than holding one. My concern comes from watching the review by Sage Dynamics and reading anecdotal evidence elsewhere. Post 19 in this thread is one of those examples. Honestly I was still on the fence, but that comment pretty much sealed the deal for me. I promise, I don't mean to offend or question anybody else's choice.
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I caved today and bought an RMR. I just can't bring myself to buy a Shield RMS with how fragile they seem to be. I hope they make some improvements because they really are the perfect solution for metal framed CZ's. Until then I'll have to be satisfied with my P10 for an RDS host.
Earl ... Howdy and welcome to the world of red dots. I'm curious as to your experience that makes you say the RMS is fragile ... I appreciate hearing about it.
To be clear, I'm not saying they're crap or anything. Quite the contrary, this would be my only choice for a metal framed CZ. I'm not new to red dots, I've had FF3's for a couple years now. One on a Kadet, another on a 97B, and most recently on my Scorpion.
The RMR/P10 will be my first to have milled, so I've been watching reviews and reading before making the commitment. Admittedly, I don't have first hand experience with the RMS other than holding one. My concern comes from watching the review by Sage Dynamics and reading anecdotal evidence elsewhere. Post 19 in this thread is one of those examples. Honestly I was still on the fence, but that comment pretty much sealed the deal for me. I promise, I don't mean to offend or question anybody else's choice.
Earl, I think you made a good choice with the RMR on the P-10. The P-10 slide top is wide enough to accept the wider RMR hole pattern without a mounting plate, yes?
This thread is exploring the options for the narrow CZ-75 slide top; what RDS will fit without needing a plate; and what RDS will fit in front of the rear dovetail that can utilize the stock CZ irons as lower 1/3 co-witness backup. As far as I can tell; the Shield RMS (or RMSc) is the only RDS that can accomplish both. A good cost-effective set-up. Thanks to Bpnkrtn for starting this post.
As far as Sage Dynamics RDS torture testing.....The Trijicon RMR survived using the RDS as a virtual hammer and dropping gun and RDS repeatedly on concrete. Kinda like the MAC torture tests for handguns. The RMR and DPPro are both very solid. No question. I have 2 DPP's and 1 RMR. Really good, but each have their shortcomings. I don't believe they tested the new Shield RMS.
However, I don't use my guns as a hammer nor do I drop them repeatedly on concrete or soak them in wet dirt and expect them to work 100%. Otherwise, I guess we'd all be shooting Glocks. ::)
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Earl ... no offense at all amigo. I watched the Sage Dynamics video/review also ... first time I watched it I pretty well dismissed the RMS. But I kept thinking about it, watched their video a second time, with a little different mind set (so to speak) ... and came away with a different consideration ... simply that that level of "hard use" just didn't apply to me and my situation. Again, no offense at all ... just gathering more information.
Somedays, I think we all share the tendency to "over-think" things ... which I still believe to be better than "under-thinking."
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Otherwise, I guess we'd all be shooting Glocks. ::)
Vinny ... you just had to go there ... :)
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Otherwise, I guess we'd all be shooting Glocks. ::)
Vinny ... you just had to go there ... :)
LOL
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Earl ... no offense at all amigo. I watched the Sage Dynamics video/review also ... first time I watched it I pretty well dismissed the RMS. But I kept thinking about it, watched their video a second time, with a little different mind set (so to speak) ... and came away with a different consideration ... simply that that level of "hard use" just didn't apply to me and my situation. Again, no offense at all ... just gathering more information.
Somedays, I think we all share the tendency to "over-think" things ... which I still believe to be better than "under-thing."
I'm with you, and came away from the video feeling somewhat the same. My guns/equipment aren't abused the way they do in the videos, and the RMS would probably be fine. I've never dropped one of my CZ's but I have dropped my G43 and my Shield 45, so that day will come. All of the red dot sights except the RMR are vulnerable to being dropped.The kicker for me is the permanence of a milled slide. For my current purpose (edc), the P10/RMR are a good fit. As I get older(hopefully), I think an RDS on each of my pistols will become necessary for me to continue enjoying myself. I have a P06 in line as a future project, it will possibly get an RMS as aesthetics are important to me for this one.
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I caved today and bought an RMR. I just can't bring myself to buy a Shield RMS with how fragile they seem to be. I hope they make some improvements because they really are the perfect solution for metal framed CZ's. Until then I'll have to be satisfied with my P10 for an RDS host.
Earl ... Howdy and welcome to the world of red dots. I'm curious as to your experience that makes you say the RMS is fragile ... I appreciate hearing about it.
To be clear, I'm not saying they're crap or anything. Quite the contrary, this would be my only choice for a metal framed CZ. I'm not new to red dots, I've had FF3's for a couple years now. One on a Kadet, another on a 97B, and most recently on my Scorpion.
The RMR/P10 will be my first to have milled, so I've been watching reviews and reading before making the commitment. Admittedly, I don't have first hand experience with the RMS other than holding one. My concern comes from watching the review by Sage Dynamics and reading anecdotal evidence elsewhere. Post 19 in this thread is one of those examples. Honestly I was still on the fence, but that comment pretty much sealed the deal for me. I promise, I don't mean to offend or question anybody else's choice.
Earl, I think you made a good choice with the RMR on the P-10. The P-10 slide top is wide enough to accept the wider RMR hole pattern without a mounting plate, yes?
This thread is exploring the options for the narrow CZ-75 slide top; what RDS will fit without needing a plate; and what RDS will fit in front of the rear dovetail that can utilize the stock CZ irons as lower 1/3 co-witness backup. As far as I can tell; the Shield RMS (or RMSc) is the only RDS that can accomplish both. A good cost-effective set-up. Thanks to Bpnkrtn for starting this post.
As far as Sage Dynamics RDS torture testing.....The Trijicon RMR survived using the RDS as a virtual hammer and dropping gun and RDS repeatedly on concrete. Kinda like the MAC torture tests for handguns. The RMR and DPPro are both very solid. No question. I have 2 DPP's and 1 RMR. Really good, but each have their shortcomings. I don't believe they tested the new Shield RMS.
However, I don't use my guns as a hammer nor do I drop them repeatedly on concrete or soak them in wet dirt and expect them to work 100%. Otherwise, I guess we'd all be shooting Glocks. ::)
They did test the RMS. It was a very short review as he dropped it early on and it stopped working(iirc).
I also pointed out in my post that in regards to form, the RMS would be my choice on a metal framed CZ. Your Glock comment is amusing, maybe a little confirmation bias creeping in though.
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Earl,
No worries.
I always respect and appreciate your comments on the forum.
I must have seen an earlier version of Aaron Cowan's RDS review; as I believe he was referring to the Gen 1 Shield/JPoint; but I'm probably mistaken. I'll have to look again.
I still have one Glock, a 17 Gen 4 MOS with DPPro RDS mounted. It's such a tank (both RDS and Gun) I can't part with it. When I have ammo that won't feed in other guns, I feed it to my Glock. Hey, just kidding.
The ability to share info and experiences on this Forum is priceless. Especially when it comes to electronics; where the paradigm can change every 6 months.
Thanks for your thoughts. -Vinny
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"Earl,
No worries.
I always respect and appreciate your comments on the forum."
Same here Vinny. In the long term, the results that end up being posted here will dictate which way I go with my P-06. I've spent a lot of time looking for info about the RMS and there is very little to be found. When I asked about it on FB, all I got was "buy an RMR". Not helpful at all and I almost shelved the idea all together as I don't want to ruin a gun that's out of production.
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"Earl,
No worries.
I always respect and appreciate your comments on the forum."
Same here Vinny. In the long term, the results that end up being posted here will dictate which way I go with my P-06. I've spent a lot of time looking for info about the RMS and there is very little to be found. When I asked about it on FB, all I got was "buy an RMR". Not helpful at all and I almost shelved the idea all together as I don't want to ruin a gun that's out of production.
Update: I think I found the later Sage Dynamics Gen 2 Shield RMS Review (Oct 2017) you were referring to. It did not survive the concrete drop test as the aluminum body bent badly. Aaron Cowan also did not like the light auto-adjust using a pretty high intensity 800 lumen Tac light, the dot washed out on a white target. I had not seen this; the review I had seen was an earlier review with the Gen 1 JPoint. I'm not as concerned about the auto-adjust, as I find it works fine for my HD purposes with a 200-300 lumen light. Drop test....hmmm?
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In the long term, the results that end up being posted here will dictate which way I go with my P-06. I've spent a lot of time looking for info about the RMS and there is very little to be found. When I asked about it on FB, all I got was "buy an RMR". Not helpful at all and I almost shelved the idea all together as I don't want to ruin a gun that's out of production.
Earl,
I understand your concerns about getting locked into a specific mill cut on a special gun, for an optic you might not like or won't be serviceable long-term. That's why I've hesitated milling my SP-01, opting instead to use a 'temporary' set-up with Leupold CZ-75 mount and a JPoint.
Have you considered CZ Custom's mult-optic cut for CZ 75's? Basically, they offer optional plates for virtually every optic out there. This would give you long-term RDS options. But unfortunately not the ultra-low melt-in or conserving both your existing front and rear for BUIS that the Shield RMS (or RMSc) might offer.
I also understand your concerns that the Shield RMS might not be up to full-time duty, or even long-term EDC use. I think it's probably fine for HD or Sport/Competition use. Maybe it is fine for carry despite Aaron Cowan's harsh review but only time will tell. I wish the RMR hole pattern would allow low mount directly on a CZ-75 without an adapter plate, but maybe that's still your best option? Depends I guess on your intended use. YMMV and you make a good point. -Vinny
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Even though the RMR is the current top dog in the "I can take a beating" contest, that level of durability is only one factor among many that weigh in when choosing an optic.
It is great to see other vendors trying different things... innovation drives progress!
When asked by the dot curious - despite my love for CZs in general and the P-07 in particular - I usually recommend an optic-ready handgun as a starting point. This approach has the added benefit of simplifying the choice of optic - thanks to the adapter plate configuration - so you could start with a more affordable optic and get on with getting your feet wet. Then, after putting some time in behind a Glock MOS or some such, you would at least have some solid first-hand impressions before taking a more permanent plunge and milling a gun for a specific optic.
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Even though the RMR is the current top dog in the "I can take a beating" contest, that level of durability is only one factor among many that weigh in when choosing an optic.
It is great to see other vendors trying different things... innovation drives progress!
When asked by the dot curious - despite my love for CZs in general and the P-07 in particular - I usually recommend an optic-ready handgun as a starting point. This approach has the added benefit of simplifying the choice of optic - thanks to the adapter plate configuration - so you could start with a more affordable optic and get on with getting your feet wet. Then, after putting some time in behind a Glock MOS or some such, you would at least have some solid first-hand impressions before taking a more permanent plunge and milling a gun for a specific optic.
Very solid advice from s0nspark!
My first RDS was a Glock 17 Gen 4 MOS with a Leupold Delta Point Pro and optional DPP rear iron; so all I had to do was select the correct mount plate among 4 included, and order the correct FO Front Sight from Dawson (.460) to co-witness and I was good to go. It's still a great combination that I have no intentions parting with; but at some point I could swap out the optic IF I was so inclined.
Of course, once my 'ol eyes got used to the speed and accuracy of a RDS; so began my journey along the road converting my beloved CZ's to RDS; the next being a P-07 and then.... ::) YMMV
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When asked by the dot curious - despite my love for CZs in general and the P-07 in particular - I usually recommend an optic-ready handgun as a starting point. This approach has the added benefit of simplifying the choice of optic - thanks to the adapter plate configuration - so you could start with a more affordable optic and get on with getting your feet wet. Then, after putting some time in behind a Glock MOS or some such, you would at least have some solid first-hand impressions before taking a more permanent plunge and milling a gun for a specific optic.
I picked up a TP9SFX for this exact purpose. I mounted one of my FF3's and figured it would sit low enough to learn with.The only problem is that I don't really enjoy shooting it, but that has nothing to do with the rds. Btw, sorry if I caused this thread to drift off topic. Back to metal CZ's and RMS's. :)
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I have to add my "me too" ... started with a M&P9 CORE ... ran it with a DeltaPoint Pro, RM06, Fast Fire. That time pretty well convinced me that with aging eyes ... an RDS was the way to go. During this time I also "discovered" CZ compacts and the more I shot a PCR the more it seemed to be made for me (except for the 89 lb. double action trigger). Unfortunately I then learned that the CZs were some of the most difficult designs to fit with RDS, given the narrow slide profile ... about par for the course for me ;D
I continue to appreciate all the good information/input that this thread has generated
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I picked up a TP9SFX for this exact purpose. I mounted one of my FF3's and figured it would sit low enough to learn with.
I was just about to amend my post to add a recommendation for the TP9SFX when you posted this. It is, I believe, the most affordable RDS host available...