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GENERAL => General Firearms Discussion => Topic started by: newageroman on August 01, 2018, 04:18:39 PM
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So... I just got a couple of o-lights on special and don't have a good HD gun with a rail. Wife is used to glocks, but I hate them for obvious reasons, but you just can't deny the reliability. Have carry pistols and competition pistols already, so this will be a HD/range gun with maybe a match or two between just to get used to handling it under pressure. I expect to get CZ biased answer, but I'm really only familiar with the 75/85 and shadows. Looking for good reliable options with the following:
- standard rail for light
- good metal triggers with no safety dingus (but not absolutely mandatory)
- Double stack 9mm ~17 rounds
- DA/SA with safety model (preferred but not absolute required)
- Around ~ $600 or so
- stock/minimal mods needed (I love tweaking guns, but looking for stock for HD)
Considering the following:
- G17/19
- Canick TP9
- CZ SP-01 and ???
Thx in advance!
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Someone recently just asked this same question .. and my suggestion remains the same: Scorpion Evo
Considering HD purpose only:
You can mount light / laser
30 rounds (or more) at your disposal
Close to your price point.
My bed side is an Uber reliable G17 with a TLR-4, 33 rounder in the grip. I just love Glock for HD, but I will never carry a G17 :-)
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It would be a stretch for me to say ANY gun out of the box is a good HD choice......but since you asked, I'm going to throw my option into the mix. Let me preface it by saying I've owned every modern model CZ pistol, only exceptions are the .380 models.......for what your describing, I would go with the SP01 Phantom. Fits everything your looking for and is the closest to out of the box I would use for a HD pistol........again given the criteria you laid out. ;) It may seem CZ biased but I've gone through a lot of years of other manufacturers and their models.....so even taking those into account I'd still say the Phantom....nowadays they come in at the low-mid $500's
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The P01 Omega, beside the chair, has 17 rounds in it (1 in the chamber, 16 in the magazine), night sights and a PL Mini on the rail.
The P01 Omega is a 9MM, DA/SA pistol, aluminum frame and feels really good in my hand.
The P09, in the bedroom, has 21 rounds in it (1 in the chamber, 19 in the magazine), an RMR and a Streamlight TLR1 on the rail.
The P09 is a 9MM, DA/SA pistol, plastic frame, a big gun but the most accurate semi auto pistol I've ever owned or fired (and I've shot a couple Colt 1991 NM pistols).
I have other CZ's in the house (loaded). These include another P01 Omega, a couple of CZ75 Compacts, another P09 and a P07. Lights on some, night sights on some, RMR's or DP Pros on some. Some in 9MM, a couple in .40 S&W.
You did say you expected the suggestions to be CZ's.
I have other brands of pistols locked up in the safe (unloaded). This is due to a combination of lack of accuracy, reliability and/or just not fitting well in my hand and not having my confidence like the CZ pistols do.
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I have a phantom that checks both boxes. an outstanding pistol for both HD and range
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Scorpion - pass, I just got a ruger PCC
SP01 - looks great - phantom, maybe
P-01 - possibly
P-09 - looks good, but I'm not 100% on the omega trigger just yet. Also do these have metal or plastic triggers?
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I would say CZ Pp-07/P-09. The P-09 has 19 + 1, so shoot a lot things a little or shoot one thing a lot!
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Newageroman,
"Wife is used to glocks, but I hate them for obvious reasons, but you just can't deny the reliability."
Should we assume this house gun should be accessible and comfortable for both you and your wife to use? We all know the saying: " A Happy Wife....."
But the Glocks only check off about 1/2 your boxes.
There are already some good suggestions: I love my SP-01, but it is a heavy gun. You get a lot of the same features in the Phantom or P-09. But they are large guns.
Considering ALL your requirements; I would think a P-07 with Omega trigger would hit the sweet spot and checks ALL the boxes.
Equal to if not better than Glock in terms of reliability; but more accurate with better ergonomics. You can add +2 mags (or bases) for 17+1. At a street price in low $400's; add your lights, a Talon grip wrap, and still be well below your target$.
If you leave the Omega Trigger as a decocker; the DA 1st round would eliminate you or your Wife having to think about a safety.
IE: Glock-like pick it, pull the trigger, gun goes bang! JMO -Vinny
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Scorpion - pass, I just got a ruger PCC
SP01 - looks great - phantom, maybe
P-01 - possibly
P-09 - looks good, but I'm not 100% on the omega trigger just yet. Also do these have metal or plastic triggers?
So, you'll have to let us know what you end up going with and why ;)......even if not on this list ;D
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Newageroman,
"Wife is used to glocks, but I hate them for obvious reasons, but you just can't deny the reliability."
Should we assume this house gun should be accessible and comfortable for both you and your wife to use? We all know the saying: " A Happy Wife....."
But the Glocks only check off about 1/2 your boxes.
There are already some good suggestions: I love my SP-01, but it is a heavy gun. You get a lot of the same features in the Phantom or P-09. But they are large guns.
Considering ALL your requirements; I would think a P-07 with Omega trigger would hit the sweet spot and checks ALL the boxes.
Equal to if not better than Glock in terms of reliability; but more accurate with better ergonomics. You can add +2 mags (or bases) for 17+1. At a street price in low $400's; add your lights, a Talon grip wrap, and still be well below your target$.
If you leave the Omega Trigger as a decocker; the DA 1st round would eliminate you or your Wife having to think about a safety.
IE: Glock-like pick it, pull the trigger, gun goes bang! JMO -Vinny
P.S. I own Glock 17, SP-01, P-01, P-09, P-07, RAMI BD.
All above are metal triggers, except Glock.
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P-07 Suppressor Ready, $500
Has tritium sights, threaded barrel, 17 round mags included, SA/DA solid metal trigger, ability to switch from decocker to safety, and a real picatinny rail.
I got a Streamlight TLR-7 for my wifes gun (we both have the same, hers has the safety, mine decocker)
It works great and the gun still feels well balanced with the offset weight
Tritium for when you want to aim without giving your position away
Thread barrel for suppressor (guns in the house are LOUD) or flash hider
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In general, people over think bedside pistols. Put the one youve been carrying all day at your bed side at night along with your edc flashlight. Same for the wife.
A full size gun with supressor will be more difficult to maneuver if you are a "in the end table drawer" kind of guy.
A dog with a mean bark will go a long way toward home invasion prevention or at least give a heads up.
Lock the doors to frustrate and turn away the drunk would be invader that meant no harm.
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Our general purpose HD gun is a P-07 Duty with mag extensions, tritium sights, Olight PL Mini, de-cocker installed. My wife shoots it well and has decided it is her gun so it was a natural choice. My only complaint is the long trigger reset but that is an easy fix, I just haven't gotten around to it. The trigger is metal.
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So... I just got a couple of o-lights on special and don't have a good HD gun with a rail. Wife is used to glocks, but I hate them for obvious reasons, but you just can't deny the reliability. Have carry pistols and competition pistols already, so this will be a HD/range gun with maybe a match or two between just to get used to handling it under pressure. I expect to get CZ biased answer, but I'm really only familiar with the 75/85 and shadows. Looking for good reliable options with the following:
- standard rail for light
- good metal triggers with no safety dingus (but not absolutely mandatory)
- Double stack 9mm ~17 rounds
- DA/SA with safety model (preferred but not absolute required)
- Around ~ $600 or so
- stock/minimal mods needed (I love tweaking guns, but looking for stock for HD)
Considering the following:
- G17/19
- Canick TP9
- CZ SP-01 and ???
Thx in advance!
The best gun for YOU is the one which you are comfortable with and are willing to practice and become proficient with. That gun could be any of these mentioned here or non of them. Take the time to find what fits you and your needs best.
My current house pistol is a P-07 with night sights and a few CGW upgrades. My wife doesn't shoot and has no interest in it so I only need to be concerned with what I need. My own preference is DA/SA pistols and I don't like striker fired guns in the least so the P-07 fits the role just fine.
I have a few other pistols readily accessible as well but they don't fit the parameters you listed so I'll not list them here.
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Our general purpose HD gun is a P-07 Duty with mag extensions, tritium sights, Olight PL Mini, de-cocker installed. My wife shoots it well and has decided it is her gun so it was a natural choice. My only complaint is the long trigger reset but that is an easy fix, I just haven't gotten around to it. The trigger is metal.
And you get my first chuckle of the day. I know exactly what you mean/what happened to you. My wife appropriated my XDM 3.8" 9MM because she shot good groups with it. Then, when I had to buy here a CZ75 Compact in order to keep my .40 S&W P09. The last one is I lost my CZ75 Compact to her (the original one bought for the CZ85 conversion project) because it shot better groups than the first Compact I bought her.
In the end, they get what they want.
And, I neglected to mention in my first post, that my wife keeps here CZ75 Compact with the DP Pro installed on it as her bedroom gun.
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Hi Newageroman,
Since you have the TP-9 listed you might consider the TP9SF which has 18 rounds and 4.5" barrel. Great trigger out of the box and a $70 replacement if you don't like the take up in the trigger. Good reliability and accurate. Makes a good range/HD gun if you don't mind the size. Cost in the $380 range. Century ARMs provides excellent support.
You should also take a look at the TP9SF Elite. The Elite has a 4.2 barrel and 15 round capacity. The people who have the Elite like them a lot. You wife might like the shorter grip and barrel. Cost in the $400 range.
If you really want the hammer and DA/SA then you should take a look at the Caniks imported by TriStar. They offer Caniks that are patterned after the CZ guns. They are also good shooters, reliable and extremely well made.
Frank
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Our general purpose HD gun is a P-07 Duty with mag extensions, tritium sights, Olight PL Mini, de-cocker installed. My wife shoots it well and has decided it is her gun so it was a natural choice. My only complaint is the long trigger reset but that is an easy fix, I just haven't gotten around to it. The trigger is metal.
And you get my first chuckle of the day. I know exactly what you mean/what happened to you. My wife appropriated my XDM 3.8" 9MM because she shot good groups with it. Then, when I had to buy here a CZ75 Compact in order to keep my .40 S&W P09. The last one is I lost my CZ75 Compact to her (the original one bought for the CZ85 conversion project) because it shot better groups than the first Compact I bought her.
In the end, they get what they want.
And, I neglected to mention in my first post, that my wife keeps here CZ75 Compact with the DP Pro installed on it as her bedroom gun.
It's funny, she gets mad when I take it to the range to keep it exercised. If she'd shoot more, I wouldn't need to.
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I have 3 loaded handguns strategically positioned in my house, but my main HD weapon is 12 Ga Remington Pump shotgun.
Short barrel, pistol grip, and with the flash light on it.
NOTHING beats that for HD. Period.
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I have loaded 3 handguns strategically positioned in my house, but my main HD weapon is 12 Ga Remington Pump shotgun.
Short barrel, pistol grip, and with the flash light on it.
NOTHING beats that for HD. Period.
That is a very good Home defense weapon in my opinion. Nicely played!
If I had to pick a pistol I would use a P-01. Why? Because I love
that gun!
RCG
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Pawn shopping on the lunch break!!!
First stop a guy that works there actually told me "a decocker is like a safety really. It turns the trigger into a really long heavy pull". My meek "ohh... ok..." reply did not not disguise the sarcastic wide-eyed grin.
Second stop, the guy swept me, did not check the chamber, kept mag in the gun and just handed it to me. "Whoa dude, just keep it, bye Felisha!" - sheesh...
- didn't like the trigger on the canik TP9s
- didn't like the sigs (nice trigger, but no safety)
- P07 was ok, but I just don't want a decocker and it wasn't an omega
Showed the new mini o light that came in yesterday to wife, she was less than impressed and asked if it would fit on a shield -"yes". She needs a carry gun, but I am still also looking for a HD pistol.
Search continues...
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Pawn shopping on the lunch break!!!
First stop a guy that works there actually told me "a decocker is like a safety really. It turns the trigger into a really long heavy pull". My meek "ohh... ok..." reply did not not disguise the sarcastic wide-eyed grin.
Second stop, the guy swept me, did not check the chamber, kept mag in the gun and just handed it to me. "Whoa dude, just keep it, bye Felisha!" - sheesh...
- didn't like the trigger on the canik TP9s
- didn't like the sigs (nice trigger, but no safety)
- P07 was ok, but I just don't want a decocker and it wasn't an omega
Showed the new mini o light that came in yesterday to wife, she was less than impressed and asked if it would fit on a shield -"yes". She needs a carry gun, but I am still also looking for a HD pistol.
Search continues...
All P-07's are Omega. Shield doesn't have a rail iirc.
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I may be wrong but all P-07's are omegas...
whats wrong with a decocker?
you don't like Sigs? What a shame...?.
Have you tried a Ruger SR9 might be what you are looking for!
RCG
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You can't carry most SIGs cocked and locked, which factors in if you used to be a 1911 guy/girl.
Yes, people say all the time you can get used to the DA first round and SA succeeding rounds. Why? I won't run a hollow point in the chamber of my 1911 and run ball in the magazine. I won't carry a shotgun with an empty chamber just so I can rack the slide to show I mean business. And I don't drive a car with a 4 banger either. Sorry, had to throw that one in there.
And, a hammer SIG usually costs enough more than a CZ that you can take that extra money (if you still want to spend it) and have some nice work done on the CZ. I hear/read guys here and arfcom talking about how amazing their CZ is when they get it back from CGW or CZ Custom. I can't think of anyone bragging about how amazing their out of the box SIG is (then again, maybe they do and I don't pay attention to it because I have not SIG - except for the two rifles they no longer make).
Yeah, P07's are Omega guns. I've read about people buying P07's with the decocker levers installed and no safeties in the box. I've also read that if you contact CZ USA and tell them your pistol came without safeties they might send you a pair (of the safeties.)
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i'm sorry but if i was going to have a gun by the bed for self defense it would be a 23" barrel turkey gun! 20 gauge for the misses in a pump action !
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I'd be very concerned about a female or anyone untrained short stroking/clearing a shotgun under stress. But that would be for another thread, the op asked for hand gun recommendations.
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SP-01 with a TRL-4 bedside when I go to bed.
PCR holstered with me in the living room with a handheld tac light next to it.
Mossy 12 ga next to the bedroom door just in case.
I have 2 teenage boys who shoot with me regularly at the range so my comfort level with loaded weapons out at night is high. In the morning all go back in the safe except my EDC PCR
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92A1 or SP-01
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I have 3 loaded handguns strategically positioned in my house, but my main HD weapon is 12 Ga Remington Pump shotgun.
Short barrel, pistol grip, and with the flash light on it.
NOTHING beats that for HD. Period.
Agreed. Mine sits next to the night stand cruiser ready 😎
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We also have little fingers around the house so that is one of the main reasons that I'm looking for a DA/SA with safety.
I do keep an 870 within close rage to the bedroom. If it were just me Id go for that first, but having others in the house I could see definite benefit of having one hand free.
I'm still leaning to the SP-01 but I'll take a look at the polymers with omegas. I shoot a 75B in local comps, but I have it converted SAO - hence my reason for posting here and personal bias toward CZs!
Cheers, Have a great Friday!
Thanks for the tips guys.
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After a few range sessions with my P07, the wife decided on one in ODG for her side of the bed. Previously a staunch advocate for wheelguns, her S&W now resides in the kitchen cause the stainless matches the appliances better. Ya gotta love'em ! LOL
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After a few range sessions with my P07, the wife decided on one in ODG for her side of the bed. Previously a staunch advocate for wheelguns, her S&W now resides in the kitchen cause the stainless matches the appliances better. Ya gotta love'em ! LOL
Brilliant, That's awesome.
You cant have the appliances clashing with the hardware.
RCG
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ha, that's awesome. Went looking a little today as well. I found a couple places that had a P-07, but when I asked if they were the omega type safety, they said no. Then I spotted an SP-01 - it is top of the running for now.
There was an H&K P30s V3 that was a DA/SA with safety, solid trigger, but it was plastic, still nice gun - but almost a Grand.
There was also an FN something or other that was decent too.
I'm quite proud of myself for getting paid today, carrying $$$ into a couple shops and just window shopped - buying nothing. Then to the bank to pay on car and student loans....uggg...
Other notables were Russian made zephr auto mag fed shotgun and the new Remington DM mag fed pump shotgun. cool/drool...
Good weekend to you gents!
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My bedside gun is an HK USP 40 with a Streamlight TLR-3 and night sights. I want both a DA first pull as well as a manual safety because if woken up, I'll be in that dangerous state of both stressed as well as half asleep, so I want those extra safety measures. Thinking of changing to an FNX-9.
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I found a couple places that had a P-07, but when I asked if they were the omega type safety, they said no.
Again, all P-07/09s are Omegas and can be converted from Decocker to Safety or vice versa.
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I found a couple places that had a P-07, but when I asked if they were the omega type safety, they said no.
Again, all P-07/09s are Omegas and can be converted from Decocker to Safety or vice versa.
This is true. The safeties are usually in a bag inside the box I believe.
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I found a couple places that had a P-07, but when I asked if they were the omega type safety, they said no.
Again, all P-07/09s are Omegas and can be converted from Decocker to Safety or vice versa.
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It is unfortunate that many gun shop/pawn shop clerks just don't know the the details of the products they're selling. There are of course exceptions; and it's worth paying a bit extra for expertise at a really good store that typically has an in-house gunsmith. I can't begin to count the number of times I've read up on a product and had to show clerks the features they have no clue about.
Typically, P-07/09's are shipped as decockers; but if you look carefully in the packaging there are a couple of small black parts in a plastic bag for DIY quick change over to a manual safety. This is a very unique feature of the P-07/09's and a few CZ 75 omega series.
There are other features of the P-07/09 that usually go overlooked. Like an extremely durable black nitride finish on slide and barrel exterior and a polished feed ramp. These are features not typically found at this price point but in addition to their accuracy and reliability IMHO make the P-07 a great value. Whether you buy a CZ or something else; hopefully, you'll find a store that really knows their guns and stands behind them.
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The instructions for changing from decocker to thumb safety operation is right inside the owner's manual.
I just put the spring and decocking levers in the same plastic bag the thumb safeties came in and put them in the same place in the CZ pistol case the pistol/magazines came in.
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agreed. I thought I remembered someone on here stating that the P-07 and 09s were all omegas, but its a good tester question. I'd like to think that if I were behind the counter I'd be studying up on everything back there as just general interest.
I still didn't think that the trigger on those were as nice as the SP-01 that I did try. There was a little bit of wiggle/slop at the initial take up in DA. Same for the SP-01 combat in urban grey that I found used at a shop this weekend. I found out those were decocker only so passed. I also did find a Jericho steel and a polymer this weekend to put my hands on. they were similar, but not as refined as the CZ. I liked the grip shape of the polymer better, but the grips were slicker than the steel version.
I'd love to find a used SP-01 locally, or compare the 01 to an 01 phantom. Thanks for all the input - I'll consider this thread done until I make purchase.
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My wife chose the SR9 by Ruger for her night stand gun. I put a TL1l light on it. She could rack the slide on it where others were problematic. Yes I know about the push with the strong hand while pulling with the non dominant hand. Taught her that. She chose the 9mm XDs for her carry sidearm. Same reasons. I took care of the magazine disconnect on the SR9. Liked it so much I picked up a SR9E. They are extremely reasonable right now since the American came on as it?s replacement. Those aren?t going over so well so,I hear. Trigger pull on the SR9series are excellent. Picked up the Ruger PCC 9 as a companion recently. Good luck with HER choice. It really is what works for her if you desire compliance.
Texf6
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Miss read the post. You are looking for a HD arm and not the missus. In the famous words of Gilda Ratner from Saturday Night Live, the early years.....?Never Mind?
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Well, the one that I'm looking at primarily right now would be HD pistol for us both, and that we would both be using. She is also going to look for a carry pistol to replace the keltec 3AT (which I cant stand).
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Stand by my post and selection opinion. It I approached it from buying for your wife and so provided my experience. As much as I wanted my wife to like the CZ pattern firearms, she just couldn?t rack the slide on any of them. Deal breaker from that criteria. Sr9 and SR9E....problem solved with a dependable accurate and reliable firearm that pleased both of us.
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Nice, if everyone is happy its a good day!!!
RCG
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.......... compare the 01 to an 01 phantom. Thanks for all the input - I'll consider this thread done until I make purchase.
do this ^^^^^^ before deciding.......keep in mind that the Phantom will be slightly barrel end heavy unloaded, but perfectly balanced loaded....so if possible hold it in your hands with a full mag too ;)
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Well, I put down a little $ on the steel framed SP-01 manual safety today. A couple more paychecks and it will be home. Since this is SD related, I also just bought a Ft. Knox quick access safe with the simplex lock and love it. It was about twice the cost of other battery op safes, but worth it IMO (no 9v batteries to buy/recharge, heavy duty steel, quick access, big enough for 2 full sized pistols and mags). I'm planning on running the o-light charge cord through one of the mounting holes on the bottom - we'll see how that works...keep you posted.
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Good choice on the pistol. Now find yourself a Remington 870 or clone for cheap. My bedside pistol is a shotgun.
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Well, I put down a little $ on the steel framed SP-01 manual safety today. A couple more paychecks and it will be home. Since this is SD related, I also just bought a Ft. Knox quick access safe with the simplex lock and love it. It was about twice the cost of other battery op safes, but worth it IMO (no 9v batteries to buy/recharge, heavy duty steel, quick access, big enough for 2 full sized pistols and mags). I'm planning on running the o-light charge cord through one of the mounting holes on the bottom - we'll see how that works...keep you posted.
Newageroman,
It's hard to beat an SP-01 with an O-light as an HD pistol, and good that you'll have it in a quick access safe. Hope the wife likes it too; otherwise you'll have an excuse to get another CZ! O0
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SP01 tact has been my night stand gun for a loooooooong time. The standard sp01 with manual safety was my go to pistol until i got the tactical, the deckocker system is my preferred choice vs a safety.
P07/09, Glock 19/17, S&W M&P are good choices. But i feel like the Walther PPQ lineup gets ignored sometimes, realllly ergonomic pistols. VP9 are nice as well, if you can find one on sale, little higher price.
Own a P07 for ccw, but changed that to a p10 recently. Owned a glock, sold it for my first SP01.
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Well, I put down a little $ on the steel framed SP-01 manual safety today. A couple more paychecks and it will be home. Since this is SD related, I also just bought a Ft. Knox quick access safe with the simplex lock and love it. It was about twice the cost of other battery op safes, but worth it IMO (no 9v batteries to buy/recharge, heavy duty steel, quick access, big enough for 2 full sized pistols and mags). I'm planning on running the o-light charge cord through one of the mounting holes on the bottom - we'll see how that works...keep you posted.
Great choice, you won't be disappointed. For under $1,000 you're probably not going to beat the SP-01 Tactical as an HD/combat gun. I've had just about everything at one point and the ONLY guns I would take over an SP-01T would be an HK USP Tactical or Mark 23.
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So... I just got a couple of o-lights on special and don't have a good HD gun with a rail. Wife is used to glocks, but I hate them for obvious reasons, but you just can't deny the reliability. Have carry pistols and competition pistols already, so this will be a HD/range gun with maybe a match or two between just to get used to handling it under pressure. I expect to get CZ biased answer, but I'm really only familiar with the 75/85 and shadows. Looking for good reliable options with the following:
- standard rail for light
- good metal triggers with no safety dingus (but not absolutely mandatory)
- Double stack 9mm ~17 rounds
- DA/SA with safety model (preferred but not absolute required)
- Around ~ $600 or so
- stock/minimal mods needed (I love tweaking guns, but looking for stock for HD)
Considering the following:
- G17/19
- Canick TP9
- CZ SP-01 and ???
Thx in advance!
Do you live in a "free state?" If so the obvious answer is an AR-15 pistol 8" barrel in .300 Blackout with a Sig brace or other such attachment. Depending on the level of freedom in your state, either run it with some Hornady 208 grain loaded subsonic through a suppressor, or opt for a highly frangible 110-125 grain load sans sup-unit. The Magpul 60 round drum makes a starting load-out. This entire package can easily lean next to the bed, or be in it with you if you prefer. Clearly you can festoon it with lights, lasers, and cameras if desired. It makes a GREAT in-house, CQB defense against pretty much any level of "home invader."
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Was able to get the SP-01 out of layaway Saturday. First range trip was Sunday. The mini Olight fits well after switching to the pic rail insert. It ate about 100 rounds (small round count I know, but I had rifles and shotty to work in the lineup) of speer gold dots and my competition reloads with no problems. I had my old 75B there too, and the old one apparently got jealous, threw a fit and broke the slide stop. I've heard about this happening. I guess that is an excuse to buy more parts next paycheck. I'll be adding a few things to the 75B - new slide stop, better sights, magwell and maybe extended safety/mag release to it for USPSA limited.
Here are some comparisons that I noticed between the 75B SAO and the stock SP-01:
- 01 is noticeably heavier, particularly on the nose. even more so with the o light added (obviously)
- I actually really like the rubber grips of the SP-01 - my old 75B had well used plastic grips that I changed to LOK thins (which I LOVE). I think I'll keep the rubber grips on the 01 for now.
- 01 better sights, there is a small allen screw for removing/drifting them. My first set of night sights. the glowing dots seem to work OK.
- Mag interchangeability is a bonus as I no longer have to consider buying more mags for the 75B during competition. I did notice that the spare MecGar mags that I bought separately for the 75B a while ago (blue bullet pusher) do have a smoother, low drag feel than the stock 01 mags. Springs on the 01 mags seem a little stiffer/grittier, but I'm sure that will be worked out soon.
- 01 trigger pull and weight is pretty dang good for HD (There's not much grittiness/creep) to be removed/improved on. I will say that I don't like the shape of the trigger though. The tip of the trigger digs into the bottom side of my trigger finger when firing. Comparing the stock 01 trigger to the 75B SAO comp trigger, the SAO wins easily, but the thing I like about it most is the shape of the trigger. it is the flat face with the curved end. I'm hoping/wondering if one of these style triggers can be installed on the 01 while keeping it DA/SA. Also a big bonus for me is now I have a DA trigger that I can use to dry fire/run drills with in prep for using the 75B in USPSA.
- 01 has the newer purple trigger return spring that I've heard about, I'm guessing that its a little more reliable.
Thanks again for the input can't wait to put some more rounds through both of these awesome pistols...
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It's not the round count you put through it - it's what you get out of that round count.
I seldom shoot more than a box out of any pistol I take to the range. Only exception to that in the last few years was the M&P FS .357 SIG when I was trying to see if I'd finally gotten it fixed (failure to fire problems). I think I put 3 or 4 boxes through it the last time I shot in a few years back.
Like you, I usually go to the range with more than a couple other guns to shoot. Last time we had 3 AR15's. Sighted in two of them with new optics and just shot the other one to see if it was going to keep shooting (the one I ran into failure to chamber on with the new barrel/bolt - new build with a combination of parts that didn't play well together).
I like those rubber grip panels. I've put them on my Pre B CZ85 and my wife's CZ75 Compact. Also ordered a set for my youngest son's CZ75SA (and he likes them, too.)
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This range session was mainly to test for reliability. I'm also not the greatest with the DA pull, as I have been spoiled with the 75B SAO. So that will definitely take getting used to.
For fun range guns or plinkers I'm good with just a few boxes of ammo test. Since the 01 will pull primary HD duty, I'm going to run another 400 rounds through it before calling it GTG. I do the same for carry.
I loaded up a bunch of PD124 HPs a while back and they ran fine through my carry gun (KahrCM9) for the first 150 rounds or so. Then I got a misfeed which validated the - run you carry with the ammo you plan to use for at least 500 rounds.
For comp gun, I load and plunk every round....now... I got some misfeeds with it (using my reloads) during a match a while back and besides being embarrassing, it was very frustrating. I also take extra factory rounds just in case.
I did some looking and think I can get a different style trigger and keep the DA/SA action. Can't wait to dive into it, but will be a couple of paydays before that happens.
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Won't the CZ85 old style trigger so many people recommend fit your pistol? If it's different than the current trigger and you like the curve/feel of that old style trigger.
Seems like, many years ago, the test round/confirmation round count was down around 200 or 250 rounds for a new pistol - and with the ammo you intended to carry in it.
On my M&P FS 9MM it went into the failure to fire issue when I came back from the first range trip. I ordered an APEX CAEK for it, installed it and everything was sweet for a year. Then it started again. Problem was two fold - sear flutter and trigger bar set up/adjustment. A new (stronger) sear spring and sear took care of the one and a "tweak" to the trigger bar to make it engage the striker block earlier in it's travel took care of the second problem. I put 450 rounds through it without a failure (vs. 2 or 3 per magazine) and put it in the safe to grow mushrooms. O0
We see it here, sometimes, where people say their pistol has been doing fine and then suddenly they start having problems. And, many of us have pistols with thousands of rounds through them with zero issues. If it happens to you, it happens, hopefully you can move past it without getting hurt because your pistol suddenly acted up.
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yes, I've been told just last night on the FB group that the old trigger will work with the new 01 - yippie for me!
I won't cry over the slide stop breakage - its an old gun and cheap part to replace. I just thought it was very ironic it happened when testing the new CZ. It's been a while since I've done anything to the old girl anyway. The parts list growing in my head > money left in my pocket...