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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ Polymer Pistols: P10, P-07, P-09 => Topic started by: Yoni on September 05, 2018, 08:35:35 AM
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https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?209390-PX4-CC-vs-CZ-P07
In this thread it has been put out as fact that many P09/07 when you pull the trigger the hammer goes to half cock.
"CGW is curently working on a fix, and so far, CZ has ingnored the problem"
" When CGW went through about 10 stock 07/09's they had on the shelf, 7 out of 10 did it.."
I have been here for sometime and have never heard or seen this issues.
I would like like to hear what CGW says about this so called issue.
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Never heard of this either
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If CGW had run across this wouldn't they be mentioning it here?
As many P07's and P09's as members here purchase/use wouldn't someone have run across this if the numbers were 7 of 10 = 70% of the new pistols malfunctioning in this manner?
Mine are 3 to 5 years old. No issues.
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I glossed over that thread briefly but won't waste my time reading the whole thing. Perfect example of how things can get blown completely out of proportion by misinformation on the internet.
I believe the oversize DA rollers that CGW sells are the item that cures the hammer drop issue which is blown way out of factual proportion in that thread.
My P-07 in stock form was flawless out of the box and I ran it through 1000 rnds before upgrading to CGW springs and a hammer.
The gun was flawless for about 2000 more rnds and after wearing in real good it would drop to half cock during a light and slow pull from SA.
Talked to David at CGW and measured my original roller which was a tad egg shaped .215 and .218. I installed the CGW .220 roller and the gun has been flawless through nearly 7000 rnds since then.
Had I left the gun stock I suspect it may have never had an issue but when modding guns this is what you can encounter and I find it to be an non issue.Nothing wrong with these guns.
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None of my 07s do it. My 09 does the half cock thing after I replaced the roller, but only if I stick a small punch behind the trigger and slowly slowly slowly slowly press the trigger. I haven't been able to make this happen during a normal dry fire session or live fire.
To me this issue is similar to riding the slide stop and not having the slide lock back on an empty mag, or limp wristing
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I followed the thread, this came from over at pistol training.com The way I look at it, if CGW is developing parts to correct this, then clearly, they think it's a serious enough issue.. In the mean time, my P07 is sidelined to range duty until this is cleared up.. But like it or not, the issue does exist, and is something we all should be aware of, if and when your pistol does start to do it. Right now, the root cause seems to be clear as mud.. In short, I would'nt just blow it off because your pistol dosen't do it...
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We have zero evidence, that anything that has been alleged about P07/09 issues are as serious if it exists at all as what is being stated as fact on other forums.
I am waiting for CGW to respond so that we can get a feel for what they have observed.
My P07 is still my go to pistol and will remain so. I have shot Hi Powers to breaking point and I have had Glocks fail, so mechanical things fail at times big deal.
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I followed the thread, this came from over at pistol training.com The way I look at it, if CGW is developing parts to correct this, then clearly, they think it's a serious enough issue.. In the mean time, my P07 is sidelined to range duty until this is cleared up.. But like it or not, the issue does exist, and is something we all should be aware of, if and when your pistol does start to do it. Right now, the root cause seems to be clear as mud.. In short, I would'nt just blow it off because your pistol dosen't do it...
The 41pg. thread spans a 4 YEAR period. This NONSENSE is being revived by people out of ignorance. CGW developed the rollers to correct those issues a couple years ago.
Hopefully David at CGW will respond here and clear up this malarkey.
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Had a P-07 DUTY, never had an issue like that. My Cajunized P-09 has NEVER ever done that.
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You're on the wrong thread then. The one with the issue is from July
I followed the thread, this came from over at pistol training.com The way I look at it, if CGW is developing parts to correct this, then clearly, they think it's a serious enough issue.. In the mean time, my P07 is sidelined to range duty until this is cleared up.. But like it or not, the issue does exist, and is something we all should be aware of, if and when your pistol does start to do it. Right now, the root cause seems to be clear as mud.. In short, I would'nt just blow it off because your pistol dosen't do it...
The 41pg. thread spans a 4 YEAR period. This NONSENSE is being revived by people out of ignorance. CGW developed the rollers to correct those issues a couple years ago.
Hopefully David at CGW will respond here and clear up this malarkey.
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You're on the wrong thread then. The one with the issue is from July
I followed the thread, this came from over at pistol training.com The way I look at it, if CGW is developing parts to correct this, then clearly, they think it's a serious enough issue.. In the mean time, my P07 is sidelined to range duty until this is cleared up.. But like it or not, the issue does exist, and is something we all should be aware of, if and when your pistol does start to do it. Right now, the root cause seems to be clear as mud.. In short, I would'nt just blow it off because your pistol dosen't do it...
Then post us the correct link if you would please.
The 41pg. thread spans a 4 YEAR period. This NONSENSE is being revived by people out of ignorance. CGW developed the rollers to correct those issues a couple years ago.
Hopefully David at CGW will respond here and clear up this malarkey.
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Then post us the correct link if you would please.
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?32004-CZ-P09-ignition-problems/page26
I think this is the post that explains it best
Folks, I think I've solved the mystery.
Quick summery: The issue is caused by the way you pull the trigger to the rear, and has nothing to do with lateral force on the trigger. I believe the issue is caused by activation of the drop safety mechanism, and is not a design flaw in the gun.
I can now replicate the hammer dropping to half cock in both of my P-07s. If I interrupt the rearward force and motion of the trigger at about 75% of the trigger stroke, the hammer drops to half cock. Lateral force on the trigger is not required, nor is orientation of the gun. It's all about the trigger pull.
If you want to try this: hook your finger deep into the trigger so the pad of your finger gets pinched between the trigger and the frame, stopping the trigger. Then continue to pull.
A lighter hammer spring makes it easier to do.
It is easiest with no hammer spring installed. Just manipulate the hammer by hand while playing with the trigger. That's how I figured it out.
Bottom line: I do not think this is a problem. The gun is functioning as designed.
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Then post us the correct link if you would please.
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?32004-CZ-P09-ignition-problems/page26
I think this is the post that explains it best
Folks, I think I've solved the mystery.
Quick summery: The issue is caused by the way you pull the trigger to the rear, and has nothing to do with lateral force on the trigger. I believe the issue is caused by activation of the drop safety mechanism, and is not a design flaw in the gun.
I can now replicate the hammer dropping to half cock in both of my P-07s. If I interrupt the rearward force and motion of the trigger at about 75% of the trigger stroke, the hammer drops to half cock. Lateral force on the trigger is not required, nor is orientation of the gun. It's all about the trigger pull.
If you want to try this: hook your finger deep into the trigger so the pad of your finger gets pinched between the trigger and the frame, stopping the trigger. Then continue to pull.
A lighter hammer spring makes it easier to do.
It is easiest with no hammer spring installed. Just manipulate the hammer by hand while playing with the trigger. That's how I figured it out.
Bottom line: I do not think this is a problem. The gun is functioning as designed.
Might want to go to pg28, read posts #273,274,278, I would suggest that one should read the entire thread to get a feel for what's going on here, if you think it's bunk, then carry on...
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So that is a different thread altogether. Interesting but my P-07 exhibits no issue left handed,right handed or pulling trigger with either big toe so I'm not concerned about my gun. I'd still like to hear from CGW on this but I will also be keeping in mind they are in the parts biz.
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So that is a different thread altogether. Interesting but my P-07 exhibits no issue left handed,right handed or pulling trigger with either big toe so I'm not concerned about my gun. I'd still like to hear from CGW on this but I will also be keeping in mind they are in the parts biz.
So would I, there is alot on conjecture on this issue, and right now the root cause is clear as mud..So, for the time being, I'm going to sit back and see what develops here, in the mean time my P07 will still be making range trips with me, as it is a fantastic shooter..
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Neither of my P-07's have done this, stock or with CGW mods.
My range / dry-fire / test P-07, the one I have been dry firing a lot lately, has a CGW .220 roller which replaced the stock .210 roller. It seems to do a much better job of actually rolling and feels like it improved the DA pull. It also has the CGW hammer, SRK, reduced FPB spring, .020 sear spring. I dry fire it often, like usually daily at least 20-30 single action pulls with a MantisX, where I am being very slow and deliberate about my trigger break. I haven't noticed anything like this, although I am quite familiar by feel with the SA "creep" on the stock hammer and the cleaner break of the CGW hammer.
I actually have another issue currently, a really infrequent light strike with multiple different kinds of ammo. Like today I had 1 out of 150 WWB 9mm NATO 124 gr light strike once, ignite on second strike. Previously it was 1 out of 50 Fiocchi After reading around various threads here and elsewhere I think it may be my FPB plunger is out of spec, probably because I polished it too much. The overall length of it is .005 shorter than an unpolished one I have as a spare, so I popped the spare in tonight, and will test it further on my next range trip. If that doesn't work, I may send it in to CGW to take a look and either adjust the FPB timing by reducing the shelf size or fix whatever else they may find wrong with it.
Meanwhile my carry P-07 is running CGW springs but stock hammer, FP, roller, no SRK, unpolished internals, and has never had a single malfunction, period. Well except that time I didn't get the mag release rod back in correctly after swapping it to lefty, and it fell out at the range, or when my son didn't lock the mag in and experienced a "failure to feed" because the mag had started sliding out, but these are problems we created for ourselves...
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We have had a few P-07/09's that could malfunction when the trigger was not used as intended:
By using the second joint in the trigger finger and applying pressure so the trigger was in a pretty severe lateral "bind", the trigger could twist slightly, the trigger bar could subsequently flex, and under the "stars aligned" scenario, the pistol could fall to half cock. The palm of the hand was actually encroaching on the front grip strap to even get the second joint of the trigger finger to do this. No one rationally uses a firearm like this.
Again, this is operating the pistol in an inappropriate and unorthodox manner. "Normal" operation of the trigger causes no issues. Keep in mind the overwhelming majority of CZ's could not be made to do this, no matter how hard we tried the "unorthodox" method.
So, we examined the phenomenon that can cause this, which lead to one small change to our P-07/09 disconnector. We also designed a new sear pin that will take the lateral movement out of the sear, which will keep the disconnector in constant alignment with the trigger bar. In fact, normal/typical trigger bar "flex" will actually make the new design disco work even better.
The sky is not falling. No one needs to buy any of these parts from us when they are in available. I question why I am even doing this, but, our goal is to continuously improve the CZ lock work, even if someone uses it in an unorthodox manner. Our intent was to begin using these new parts in our shop builds and parts kits with no fanfare.
In closing, I trust my life and my families life to my trusty P-09.
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And there you have it, members of the jury. Much ado about nothing, mountains out of molehills, nonsense parlayed from anecdotal evidence.
Party on!
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We have had a few P-07/09's that could malfunction when the trigger was not used as intended:
By using the second joint in the trigger finger and applying pressure so the trigger was in a pretty severe lateral "bind", the trigger could twist slightly, the trigger bar could subsequently flex, and under the "stars aligned" scenario, the pistol could fall to half cock. The palm of the hand was actually encroaching on the front grip strap to even get the second joint of the trigger finger to do this. No one rationally uses a firearm like this.
Again, this is operating the pistol in an inappropriate and unorthodox manner. "Normal" operation of the trigger causes no issues. Keep in mind the overwhelming majority of CZ's could not be made to do this, no matter how hard we tried the "unorthodox" method.
So, we examined the phenomenon that can cause this, which lead to one small change to our P-07/09 disconnector. We also designed a new sear pin that will take the lateral movement out of the sear, which will keep the disconnector in constant alignment with the trigger bar. In fact, normal/typical trigger bar "flex" will actually make the new design disco work even better.
The sky is not falling. No one needs to buy any of these parts from us when they are in available. I question why I am even doing this, but, our goal is to continuously improve the CZ lock work, even if someone uses it in an unorthodox manner. Our intent was to begin using these new parts in our shop builds and parts kits with no fanfare.
In closing, I trust my life and my families life to my trusty P-09.
Thank you!!!! This is exactly the information I wanted to know..
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And there you have it, members of the jury. Much ado about nothing, mountains out of molehills, nonsense parlayed from anecdotal evidence.
Party on!
True. However, I'd rather hear it from an expert first.. And we have..Now we know, and that's a good thing.. The issue is settled. Now I need to go order a IWB holster, as my P-07 is closing in on what I consider enough rounds fired to prove reliablity, for EDC.
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I still like the classic CZ75 lockwork better ;D
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CGW thanks for clearing everything up. I didn't lose any love for my CGWP07, I tried to get mine to malfunction and couldn't do it.
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CGW thanks for clearing everything up. I didn't lose any love for my CGWP07, I tried to get mine to malfunction and couldn't do it.
Neither could I, I did get some sore fingers trying, though...
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Glad CGW cleared it up. On the other hand, I just bought my P-07 pro package kit the other day, wonder if the new updated parts will be included...
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I had this problem with my P-09. My daughter could get it to do it but I couldn't. I saw her do it several times but she actually has better trigger control than I do.
I had my trigger bar spring bent down pretty far to lighten up the DA. I bent it back up a little and haven't had the problem since.
In this case, I believe it was 100% my fault for 'tinkering' with the function of the gun.
Just some food for thought.
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Our new disco's will not be in until the middle of this month (September 2018). However, as I stated previously, we made a change for a problem that I would estimate is less than a percent of a percent.
No rational reason to change any parts (because of this aforementioned "issue") whether your CZ is stock or not. The new sear pins are a couple months away.
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https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?209390-PX4-CC-vs-CZ-P07
Schmeky,
Glad you cleared this nonsense up. I hate when people post things that are unfounded hearsay or just plain take things out of context and start a firestorm of untruths. The case in point can be found in post #4 in the above link from the OP's original post where in the guy alludes to the 41 page thread and claims that CGW found that 7 out of 10 pistols they had on the shelf had the flaw.
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Our new disco's will not be in until the middle of this month (September 2018). However, as I stated previously, we made a change for a problem that I would estimate is less than a percent of a percent.
No rational reason to change any parts (because of this aforementioned "issue") whether your CZ is stock or not. The new sear pins are a couple months away.
Now if we could just get an update on the P-10C Striker housing fix :o
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Isn't the solution to the P10, selling it to buy a CGW P07?
Striker fired guns have no soul. They are the prius of pistols!
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Isn't the solution to the P10, selling it to buy a CGW P07?
Striker fired guns have no soul. They are the prius of pistols!
That would be a satisfactory solution for ANY striker fired pistol. They ain't my thing either.
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Our new disco's will not be in until the middle of this month (September 2018). However, as I stated previously, we made a change for a problem that I would estimate is less than a percent of a percent.
No rational reason to change any parts (because of this aforementioned "issue") whether your CZ is stock or not. The new sear pins are a couple months away.
Thanks, that puts my mind at ease!
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https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?209390-PX4-CC-vs-CZ-P07
Schmeky,
Glad you cleared this nonsense up. I hate when people post things that are unfounded hearsay or just plain take things out of context and start a firestorm of untruths. The case in point can be found in post #4 in the above link from the OP's original post where in the guy alludes to the 41 page thread and claims that CGW found that 7 out of 10 pistols they had on the shelf had the flaw.
Actually, I did a little looking..the numbers were off, but in post158, pg16, of the "CZ P09 ingniton problem" thread over at pistol forum .com GJM did say that Scott at CGW found the he could do this with 3/5 stock pistols they had... So, he was'nt entirely wrong... Don't shoot the messenger :-[ just sayin...
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^^Correction: If you are going to shoot the messenger, use a CZ.
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https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?209390-PX4-CC-vs-CZ-P07
Schmeky,
Glad you cleared this nonsense up. I hate when people post things that are unfounded hearsay or just plain take things out of context and start a firestorm of untruths. The case in point can be found in post #4 in the above link from the OP's original post where in the guy alludes to the 41 page thread and claims that CGW found that 7 out of 10 pistols they had on the shelf had the flaw.
Actually, I did a little looking..the numbers were off, but in post158, pg16, of the "CZ P09 ingniton problem" thread over at pistol forum .com GJM did say that Scott at CGW found the he could do this with 3/5 stock pistols they had... So, he was'nt entirely wrong... Don't shoot the messenger :-[ just sayin...
Even if you could get every pistol to act up through trigger manipulation it's not exactly a defect since in normal operation it doesn't show up and I think David addressed that pretty well. Like I stated before I can't get my particular P-07 to malfunction that way and I have never tried it on any of my other semi autos but I remember from my early days with revolvers you can get the lockwork to jam by slowly staging the trigger and then letting off before the hammer falls sometimes. Not a defect just the result of improper use.
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^^Correction: If you are going to shoot the messenger, use a CZ.
You did say, "shoot", not "shoot at". So a CZ would be better than some others if the target is small or more distant.
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^^Correction: If you are going to shoot the messenger, use a CZ.
You did say, "shoot", not "shoot at". So a CZ would be better than some others if the target is small or more distant.
Since I had a knee replacement last December, I can't run very fast or very far, (one of the few downsides) So, I'd be an easy target... ;)
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And there you have it, members of the jury. Much ado about nothing, mountains out of molehills, nonsense parlayed from anecdotal evidence.
Party on!
I participated in the pistolforum thread. Have 2 p-09's that I cannot produce the issue with - thought it was pretty overblown UNTIL I pulled out my back up carry gun, my p-07 and could easily replicate the issue. Sure, might be much ado about nothing - until a gun you were putting a lot of trust in drops to half cock while pulling the trigger -even if it is rare or some unconventional press of the trigger. I am still carrying my chopped p-09 with confidence and have just passed 8k rounds through the other 09 without any problems.
I am super grateful to CGW for going the extra mile(s) to investigate and solve the issue with better parts (right on par with all their other 07/09 parts) - they have a customer for life and I will be purchasing much from them.
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When I'm in the mood to upgrade a CZ I always check out the CGW website first. Good prices. Good shipping price. Fastest shipping service I've seen. I've ordered Friday morning and got my stuff on Monday and I live in central VA.
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When I'm in the mood to upgrade a CZ I always check out the CGW website first. Good prices. Good shipping price. Fastest shipping service I've seen. I've ordered Friday morning and got my stuff on Monday and I live in central VA.
Same. Hi neighbor
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So how do I test my handgun? I try to pull the trigger sideways, but nothing. My particular pistol has a bit of movement in the trigger.
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... Striker fired guns have no soul. They are the prius of pistols!
My Savage 1907 & 1917 and my Luger disagree with your opinion.
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Strikers, Hammer fired semi autos I love them all.
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See post #12 on this thread
So how do I test my handgun? I try to pull the trigger sideways, but nothing. My particular pistol has a bit of movement in the trigger.
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See post #12 on this thread So how do I test my handgun? I try to pull the trigger sideways, but nothing. My particular pistol has a bit of movement in the trigger.
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I tried that, and all I got was some sore fingers..I have yet to be able to make my P07 do this, So, either I'm not doing it right (likely) or my pistol is one that dosen't have the problem (also just as likely) But as we have found out, for most it's not an issue,if it becomes one, CGW already has a fix in the works..
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I will admit that I was curious if my P07 would do this so I tried for 5 minutes.
Then I palm slapped myself, why look to see if I can make my pistol do it. When in 10,000 live rounds and maybe 50,000 dry fires it had never done it.
Carried my P07 though this whole episode and see no reason to stop using it now.
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Some people get a kick out of blowing things out of proportion, of whining/complaining, out of stirring others up over nothing.
Some people do it to make money off of it.
Anyone here know of, or remember, the Chinese M14 "soft" bolt issue from a few years back? Lot of money made off that one and as a percentage, not many had the soft bolt/lug issue, but a lot of them got replaced.
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When i hear that there is some flaw in a certain CZ i buy more CZs. ;D
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When i hear that there is some flaw in a certain CZ i buy more CZs. ;D
That's the only flaw I can see with them and it's not really a flaw at all.
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See post #12 on this thread So how do I test my handgun? I try to pull the trigger sideways, but nothing. My particular pistol has a bit of movement in the trigger.
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Can't make mine do it. Don't see how anybody could possibly do that even in stressful situations. Reminded me that my hammer is crooked and rubbing against the side, however.
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See post #12 on this thread So how do I test my handgun? I try to pull the trigger sideways, but nothing. My particular pistol has a bit of movement in the trigger.
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Can't make mine do it. Don't see how anybody could possibly do that even in stressful situations. Reminded me that my hammer is crooked and rubbing against the side, however.
If your hammer is crooked enough to rub the slide I would contact CZ USA.That is a warranty issue and they will fix that for you.
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I have 2 CZ p-07's and a P-09 and have not seen any problems with any of them.
Actually very good pistols.
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You're fine then [emoji1360]
See post #12 on this thread So how do I test my handgun? I try to pull the trigger sideways, but nothing. My particular pistol has a bit of movement in the trigger.
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I tried that, and all I got was some sore fingers..I have yet to be able to make my P07 do this, So, either I'm not doing it right (likely) or my pistol is one that dosen't have the problem (also just as likely) But as we have found out, for most it's not an issue,if it becomes one, CGW already has a fix in the works..
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I just wanted to interject that based on the volume of P-07/09's we see through our shop, plus the phone calls and emails we get on a regular basis about upgrades and general questions . . . . .
This issue never comes up. We have only observed this is a very few limited situations, and has been based on a very unusual/inappropriate way of handling the pistol.
I have no plans to install the new CGW parts in my own personal P-09.
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https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=80712.0
So all this without a thread on "potential major issues". And it has NEVER happened on the P07 which has been out for almost 10 years?
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See post #12 on this thread So how do I test my handgun? I try to pull the trigger sideways, but nothing. My particular pistol has a bit of movement in the trigger.
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Can't make mine do it. Don't see how anybody could possibly do that even in stressful situations. Reminded me that my hammer is crooked and rubbing against the side, however.
If your hammer is crooked enough to rub the slide I would contact CZ USA.That is a warranty issue and they will fix that for you.
My mistake, it rubs the frame not the slide, but I'll still contact them.
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You guys just keep talking about P07's and you're gonna talk me right into another one.
All I saw at the gun show this weekend were black ones and I'm thinking a different color than black, this time. I've got three black ones (P07 and two P09's) now. Well, except for the cerakoted slides on the two with RMR's on them.
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You guys just keep talking about P07's and you're gonna talk me right into another one.
All I saw at the gun show this weekend were black ones and I'm thinking a different color than black, this time. I've got three black ones (P07 and two P09's) now. Well, except for the cerakoted slides on the two with RMR's on them.
Know how you feel, took me a little while to find my OD green framed P07, which is going to be my EDC once my holster shows up, which now, may take awhile as the place that makes them is in North Carolina.... A few CGW parts, and it's ready to go.. I'm not even changing the sights on this one, the factory night sights are dead one, and work well for me, if I get tired of 3 dot sights, (and they're not my favorite) about 30 seconds with a sharpie and they're one dot sights...
You know, I've been thinking (that's dangerous) but would'nt it be neat if CZ made a P07 in .45? You might have to scale the frame, slide up but with a 8rnd single stack mag the grip could be kept close to the same.. They need a polymer framed .45 in the lineup, something about the size of a P07, maybe slightly larger would be great... I 'd bet you could use the same lockwork..
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I?m thinking my G19 is going to be sold soon to pick up another P07. I had one a while back and foolishly sold it. I miss DA/SA.
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See post #12 on this thread So how do I test my handgun? I try to pull the trigger sideways, but nothing. My particular pistol has a bit of movement in the trigger.
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Can't make mine do it. Don't see how anybody could possibly do that even in stressful situations. Reminded me that my hammer is crooked and rubbing against the side, however.
If your hammer is crooked enough to rub the slide I would contact CZ USA.That is a warranty issue and they will fix that for you.
My mistake, it rubs the frame not the slide, but I'll still contact them.
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Here you go woffer.... follow this and your problem is fixed.
I just copied this from the Tune and smooth thread, I posted this not long ago.......
Thought I would add this to this smoothing thread hopefully it helps somebody make their pistol better.
We all know on a P-09 & P07 that the hammer does rub the frame on the left side looking from the rear of the pistil.
I know many have sanded that area and Polished to minimize friction.
Well here's what I've done so far.
I disassembled including the hammer and stoned the left side of the frame and the metal block
( where the hammer touches the frame on the left side) then used 600 grit sandpaper wrapped around the stone without oil and then 1500 grit with oil .
I stoned and then heavily polished the left side of the hammer where it meets the frame. I then reassembled everything except for the slide.
Still feeling a little bit of rubbing, I wedged 600 grit paper between the hammer and the frame by pushing the hammer to the right and Slide the paper in (smooth side of the Sandpaper against the hammer grit against the frame )
and putting pressure on it, squeeze the trigger slightly so that the paper is snug but still can be moved I slid it back and forth numerous times.
I then did the same thing with 1500 grit paper numerous times. Then did the same thing again with the same 1500 grit with oil on it. ( All the sanding is done with slight pressure on the trigger to press the hammer toward the frame.)
GRITTY HAMMER AND PULL GONE...
I can't believe what a difference this process made in the smoothness of the DA pull.
Good luck..Doc