CZ P10 F, not exactly thrilled with its trigger

[Player66]

By the way, what is a CGW?

https://cajungunworks.com/

This is one of the best places you upgrade your CZ 

Jurek I live in Greece, I am not sure I can import gun stuff in my country, cause the gun legislation here is stupidly strict. But anyway, I am going to have a look, it looks pretty interesting.

[jurek]

Jurek I live in Greece, I am not sure I can import gun stuff in my country, cause the gun legislation here is stupidly strict. But anyway, I am going to have a look, it looks pretty interesting.

Upsss.. I missed this one       And you are correct, you cannot import this stuff from US, we cannot from Europe.
 
Anyway, don't worry. Whenever you see CGW in our posts, just refer it to any "CZ parts gunsmith" in EU.
 fe: cesar-shop.com

If you dig deeper at this forum, you should find few CZ parts shops in Europe. (if I remember correctly, someone has recommended store in Belgium or Netherlands where they carry CGW parts) .

[tdogg]

CGW has an international distributor:

https://cajungunworks.com/international/

Cheers,
Toby

[Player66]

Thanks a lot guys, I appreciate your help

[Joe L]

Player66--Today I decided to go shoot my own P-10F just to see if it was as good as I remember from the last time I shot it, which was 6 weeks ago.  Today I was at an outdoor range sharing the bay with two other gentlemen so I had to wait to shoot it at 22 yards after they had finished at 7/15 yards.  This target is the third 20 shot target, so rounds 41-60, I believe.  At 22 yards, standing single hand in a gusty crosswind, sunny, warm, but with my inexpensive 9mm 115 FMJ ammo, since I knew I just needed some trigger time before using my "good" ammo.  This pistol has a Holosun 507C red dot mounted on a CZCustom OR adapter plate.  It is an excellent setup for me for bullseye matches, if I ever get to compete again. 



There are only a few pistols that I can shoot this well after just a few rounds after not shooting them for weeks.  I warmed up at 15 and 7 yards with the other shooters, and this is my first attempt at 22 yards standing single hand.  I am very happy with this result, with around half the shots in the 10 ring and only 1 really bad shot, where I just lost concentration, probably second guessing the wind or rushing the shot.  Shooting the very similar P-10C on Tuesday probably helped, come to think of it. 

I should be able to score 95 average for timed fire with this pistol at 25 yards with just a couple of more range visits.  I never thought I would ever like a striker fired pistol, but this one is such a good match for me ergonomically and trigger feel-wise that I am getting to where I prefer it over my P-09.  Both are excellent, in my opinion, for my needs, which is single hand standing at 25 and 50 yards. 

Joe

[Player66]

Player66--Today I decided to go shoot my own P-10F just to see if it was as good as I remember from the last time I shot it, which was 6 weeks ago.  Today I was at an outdoor range sharing the bay with two other gentlemen so I had to wait to shoot it at 22 yards after they had finished at 7/15 yards.  This target is the third 20 shot target, so rounds 41-60, I believe.  At 22 yards, standing single hand in a gusty crosswind, sunny, warm, but with my inexpensive 9mm 115 FMJ ammo, since I knew I just needed some trigger time before using my "good" ammo.  This pistol has a Holosun 507C red dot mounted on a CZCustom OR adapter plate.  It is an excellent setup for me for bullseye matches, if I ever get to compete again. 



There are only a few pistols that I can shoot this well after just a few rounds after not shooting them for weeks.  I warmed up at 15 and 7 yards with the other shooters, and this is my first attempt at 22 yards standing single hand.  I am very happy with this result, with around half the shots in the 10 ring and only 1 really bad shot, where I just lost concentration, probably second guessing the wind or rushing the shot.  Shooting the very similar P-10C on Tuesday probably helped, come to think of it. 

I should be able to score 95 average for timed fire with this pistol at 25 yards with just a couple of more range visits.  I never thought I would ever like a striker fired pistol, but this one is such a good match for me ergonomically and trigger feel-wise that I am getting to where I prefer it over my P-09.  Both are excellent, in my opinion, for my needs, which is single hand standing at 25 and 50 yards. 

Joe

Wow!!!! Well done Joe! I am looking forward to the end of this corona virus quarantine, so that I will go shoot mine. I am very glad I chose such a good gun, this is my first one

[Joe L]

Player66--Here is another YouTube video of the P-10F results that you might like. 

https://youtu.be/cVqUkVm-Nwo

Joe

[anach]

I will second the suggestion that you look for earlan357's work, both here and on youtube. I think he has the most experience tweaking the P10 line and is probably more familiar with it than some of the CZ reps.

This is a youtube video showing how to polish the sear engagement surface (by earlan357)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4gazVSqJZo


Here is a trigger profile graph made by earlan357 here:
https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=106362.msg824938#msg824938


You can clearly see the 2 mm of travel where the pull weight is "flat" (9-11 mm) that you don't like. Unfortunately, this is a function of the way the disconnector slope works on the trigger bar. For a striker fired gun, it's one of the best, but a hammer fired sear doesn't have to do the same type of back and down movement the striker trigger bar does.

You might be able to recut the disconnector slope or the striker engagement leg, but I would not advise it, and it probably won't get you much improvement (check the post by earlan357, he tests a modified striker geometry)

I would suggest just pulling through it faster since the break is really crisp and is very short. Also an excuse to shoot faster.

If you’re not happy with it just change it to the HB Industries trigger. Much better IMO. Flatter, wider trigger shoe, shorter take up, crisper break and shorter reset. Also comes with two reduced weight striker springs (-10% and -15%).

Sorry, a simple trigger replacement won't change travel, break or reset.
 For Player66, your trigger will almost definitely improve after some initial wear, but it
will never feel as nice as a well used hammer fired gun. Dryfire, dry fire, dry fire . . .

Beg your pardon? An aftermarket trigger shoe with a different geometry of the trigger shoe pin will and can change the travel. Also the HB trigger comes with a different striker spring like i said which affects break.

Come on man, a spring doesn't make for a crisper break.

Ok boss whatever you say...I’m assuming you’ve replaced the trigger on this exact gun before right?

Earl Keese is quite correct here. The HBI trigger and the stock trigger have identical pin geometries and just the trigger won't change the trigger break.

[earlan357]

You'll never be able to replicate a hammer fired single action with a P10.  Like a Glock and FN-509, the P10 continuously pulls the striker back throughout the trigger pull until the triggerbar releases it.  The only way to change the behavior of the trigger after the wall is to alter the angle of the ramp on the connector.  Making it steeper will increase weight but make it more crisp.  Shallower will decrease weight but increase the "rolling break" feel.  As little as a 5 degree change makes a big difference.  But file a little too much and the trigger won't release the striker reliably if at all. Unfortunately CZ's tolerances are pretty wide on P10s.  Of the 3 I owned all of them had drastically different trigger pulls.

[Joe L]

You'll never be able to replicate a hammer fired single action with a P10.  Like a Glock and FN-509, the P10 continuously pulls the striker back throughout the trigger pull until the triggerbar releases it.  The only way to change the behavior of the trigger after the wall is to alter the angle of the ramp on the connector.  Making it steeper will increase weight but make it more crisp.  Shallower will decrease weight but increase the "rolling break" feel.  As little as a 5 degree change makes a big difference.  But file a little too much and the trigger won't release the striker reliably if at all. Unfortunately CZ's tolerances are pretty wide on P10s. Of the 3 I owned all of them had drastically different trigger pulls.

My 3 are a little closer but still different.  Good thing is that I can shoot all three of them well and I really like the striker trigger pull now.  I didn't at first.  But I didn't like a P-09/07 trigger pull at first, either.  Also, I've seen variation in my three P-09/07 triggers from the factory as well, so I'm kinda getting used to dealing with lots of different triggers.  I've been so happy to have gotten to shoot my striker guns and the P-09 over the last week that the triggers could have been gritty and I wouldn't have complained much.  Well, maybe a little.

I've gone back and looked at my own videos and I am still amazed that the striker guns are that good.  Apparently, the barrel and slide lock up tolerances are a lot tighter than the trigger works tolerances!

Joe