Cyanide's first reply mentioning Beretta'PX4sc is very similar in size to the Rami. I have both and they both see SD duty. Even though a stock PX4sc has a safety/decocker, meaning safety still disables the gun in DA mode, it is a simple spring removal to convert it to decock only. 13+1 with flush fit mags or pinlky extension that clicks down (really cool) for full grip. Takes fullsize 17 round mags with sleeve for integrated grip fit if desired. Maybe a tad lighter than the Rami, but a wee bit thicker. I use a OWB high ride leather holster designed for the Beretta for Rami carry and no problems, good retention. I can't just stick my PX4 in my purpose built Rami holster. The PX4sc has 3 backstraps to suit your hand size and it is of the Browning tilt barrel lock up which I like rather than the rotating barrel designs of the rest of the PX4 series. I have a very difficult time in assessing which one is better! In my opinion, they both shoot like full size guns. However, I have no problems with tucking my pinky finger under the mag. If you need a full grip, the PX4 definitely would get the nod of the 2. That it can also be had in 40 cal--bonus, but perhaps not necessary.