P10 C What a total disappointment 😐

[thedude]

I really like the P-10C, I also like the P-01, different guns and for me different uses.  Which one would I pick?  I don't have to so I pick both. 

I've had some bad experiences with Sig such that I don't even try them anymore.  That might mean I miss out on the best firearm released to the market, yup, that's life. 

[inthevalley]

If you are looking for a new compact service pistol and are proficient with a P-01, a P-07 sure seems like the obvious choice. Is there a reason you are looking at striker fired instead of hammer fired options?

[Double Tap]

 I went to the range and shot the P-10 and the Sig P320. After a hundred rounds through each I decided that the Sig is FOR ME the far more desirable gun and I purchased one. It was $485 out the door. After the purchase I put another 100 through mine right out of the box. It ran perfectly with Federal 115 brass case. Next week I will run the two 15 round mags with my carry ammo 115 Speer Gold Dots. If all goes well with the Gold Dots this will be my new EDC when not pocket carrying my LC9S PRO.
I am having a hard time deciding weather or not to sell my P-01.

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[Double Tap]

I went to the range and shot the P-10 and the Sig P320. After a hundred rounds through each I decided that the Sig is FOR ME the far more desirable gun and I purchased one. It was $485 out the door. After the purchase I put another 100 through mine right out of the box. It ran perfectly with Federal 115 brass case. Next week I will run the two 15 round mags with my carry ammo 115 Speer Gold Dots. If all goes well with the Gold Dots this will be my new EDC when not pocket carrying my LC9S PRO.
I am having a hard time deciding weather or not to sell my P-01.

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Sell it and join the Sig and Ruger forums.

I met someone at the range today and he expressed interest in buying it.

I don't know how much to ask. It's a 2003 mfg with Truglo TFX Pro night sights. It has 2 10 round NY mags and a set of walnut grips off the gun.

It's in almost new condition with about 1500 rounds through it.

What do you think I should ask?


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[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

Better keep the P-01 as a back up for when the short chamber in that 320 causes a case to blow out and sends the extractor flying into another dimension. Look it up, read about it.

[Double Tap]

Better keep the P-01 as a back up for when the short chamber in that 320 causes a case to blow out and sends the extractor flying into another dimension. Look it up, read about it.

Old problem been fixed about 2yrs ago.

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[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

Better keep the P-01 as a back up for when the short chamber in that 320 causes a case to blow out and sends the extractor flying into another dimension. Look it up, read about it.

Old problem been fixed about 2yrs ago.

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Nope. I briefly owned a 2019 manufacture P320 M17 and had it happen twice. Luckily I found the extractor both times. The chamber was clearly short with a considerable amount of case sticking out the rear.They still let some out of spec barrels out the door. I developed no love for the gun and it got orphaned after the second blow out.

[Double Tap]

Better keep the P-01 as a back up for when the short chamber in that 320 causes a case to blow out and sends the extractor flying into another dimension. Look it up, read about it.

Old problem been fixed about 2yrs ago.

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Nope. I briefly owned a 2019 manufacture P320 M17 and had it happen twice. Luckily I found the extractor both times. The chamber was clearly short with a considerable amount of case sticking out the rear.They still let some out of spec barrels out the door. I developed no love for the gun and it got orphaned after the second blow out.

Wow [emoji44] mine has a born date of August 8th 2019. How many rounds do you put through it before it happened each time? What was the response you received from Sig when you informed them?

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[dwhitehorne]

Wow [emoji44] mine has a born date of August 8th 2019. How many rounds do you put through it before it happened each time? What was the response you received from Sig when you informed them?

I wouldn’t judge the entire line of P320’s on one person’s bad experience. I’ve been issued a P320 carry since 2015. I’m the firearms custodian and have had 1100 P320’s pass through my hands. The department shoots a little over 100,000 rounds in quals and about right at 30,000 for training. 147gr Speer G2, 147 Winchester Ranger and 100gr +P Winchester frangible.  We have had exactly 1 gun blow on extractor. That was from an officer shooting Ultramax reloads off duty.  Your P320 will be fine. I’ve been through two instructor classes and a Mid South course without issue. Almost 5000 rounds through my first gun and I just went over 4000 through my upgraded gun in FLETC’s AIM course. It’s funny how everyone one is different. I love my P10C much more than my issued P320. I actually have two P10C’s. David

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

Wow [emoji44] mine has a born date of August 8th 2019. How many rounds do you put through it before it happened each time? What was the response you received from Sig when you informed them?

I put 1500 rounds through the gun.First blow out at around 600 rnds with Speer Lawman 115 gr. Second at around 1400 while running a mag of Federal HST. I ran another hundred through it that day and got free of it. I was into it at a sweetheart of a deal ($419) and sold it to a friend at the same cost. He swapped the barrel out and has had no issues.  I didn't bother calling Sig as I said I didn't like it in the first place. This was my 3rd venture into striker fired land and was just as unimpressive as the first 2. I wasn't wasting time sending the gun in when I decided it was leaving regardless of the short chamber issue. That gun was made in Feb. 2019.   

[Double Tap]

I wouldn’t judge the entire line of P320’s on one person’s bad experience. I’ve been issued a P320 carry since 2015. I’m the firearms custodian and have had 1100 P320’s pass through my hands. The department shoots a little over 100,000 rounds in quals and about right at 30,000 for training. 147gr Speer G2, 147 Winchester Ranger and 100gr +P Winchester frangible.  We have had exactly 1 gun blow on extractor. That was from an officer shooting Ultramax reloads off duty.  Your P320 will be fine. I’ve been through two instructor classes and a Mid South course without issue. Almost 5000 rounds through my first gun and I just went over 4000 through my upgraded gun in FLETC’s AIM course. It’s funny how everyone one is different. I love my P10C much more than my issued P320. I actually have two P10C’s. David

Thanks for the information David. I was pretty sure that Sig fixed whatever issue existed and it's now a non-issue.

[armoredman]

I’m fairly certain we are all characters already!

It's a membership requirement,

[Wobbly]

Although this is a few years old I would say that the numbers are very close to the actual numbers. If I were to speculate the manufacturing costs could be a lower percentage of the msrp because of the continual advance in computer controlled machinery.

 http://firearmshistory.blogspot.com/2012/06/cost-of-manufacturing.html?m=1

This article is total BS. It assumes the design is simply downloaded for free off the internet. Then thousands of hours of testing and refinement is somehow donated by people who were educated for free and don't have school loans to pay off, families to feed, or taxes to pay.

And of course, there is zero documentation made or stored. No changes are ever documented. No security measures taken to protect the computers all this info is stored on. We won't even mention the photographers and marketing types that churn out brochures and magazine ads that make people want to try the product... they all work for free too. And of course, there are no power bills to pay because all this work is done completely in the cold and dark. Only the company president is allowed to carry one small keychain flashlight.

Then the product is left on the front lawn (the lawn that's mowed for free by the nice people with all the gardening equipment), where FedEx and UPS drivers just happen to come by with free boxes that fit perfectly. And of course, out of the goodness of their heart, they magically deliver these products to stores that just happen to want to stock them.... where they all sell within 2 hours of arrival so that there is zero interest accrued on the loans the stores took out to buy the product to begin with.

No, sir. The only cost is the cost of manufacturing, because all those CNC machines are themselves donated. As is the hiring and training of qualified people to run the machines. And all the materials in the machines are all downloaded off the internet. And no one needs to ever check those materials, even the exotic ones, because the nice materials people have never, ever made a mistake.


Give me a break ! That article is so simplistic, as to be a whitewash of the entire subject. It's an insult. Anyone who believes it, will also believe "if you like your doctor, you can keep him."

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Give me a break ! That article is so simplistic, as to be a whitewash of the entire subject. It's an insult. Anyone who believes it, will also believe "if you like your doctor, you can keep him."

Well if you're so knowledgeable about the costs of manufacturing, in your highly educated and informed opinion, how much does it cost the manufacturer of a gun with a msrp of $1000?

[Wobbly]

Well if you're so knowledgeable about the costs of manufacturing, in your highly educated and informed opinion, how much does it cost the manufacturer of a gun with a msrp of $1000?

First of all, tread lightly, sir. Very lightly.


This is a pure semantics game. When you say "manufacture", are you talking about the cost to make and assemble gun No.10,000 ? Or are you talking about the cost to bring gun No.1 to market ? Big difference.

It's true, the cost to make a gun after all the "bugs" are worked out is probably in the $200 region. But the cost to place gun No.1 in the gun store is probably between $5M and $7M US... IF you totally ignore the cost of tooling (that is to say, assuming you don't need to buy any new machine tools). It's the difference between those 2 numbers that pays for all the research, design, testing, materials, production, marketing, and sales of the rest of the lot. Which is the reason companies go out of business when they have several bad products in a row.

What your "proof" article does is completely gloss over the costs to GET TO gun No.10,000. It doesn't consider the cost of developing 6 prototypes before the first production gun is ever made. It ignores the cost of making all he changes suggested by 100's of testers both inside and outside the company. It ignores all the cost of all the lunches and dinners it takes to get big name reviews to try the gun. It totally ignores the 2-3 YEARS of production it takes to finally "break even" with the accounting.

Sure, machining costs ARE dropping, but other costs don't magically disappear because of that.

This article sounds like some politician saying, "because a CAT scan only takes 10 minutes it should only cost $45", while completely ignoring the cost of the $5M machine that makes the scan possible.