picked up another Dtech VZ 58 edit: got some bonesteel handgaurds too

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Got all the important bits mounted up to this guy.  I wasnt sure the slate mlok was gonna work due to screw length but it was guttentight and feels good.  Decided that Id throw some love towards the 9hole review crew and see how the stop works since it keeps the light low profile im goin for.

On the port side i left the front section of rail open so I can mount my shotkam in a Primary Arms cantilever 30mm ring for video.

How thick does it feel with the rail covers? It looks like Bonesteel kept it nice and low profile on the sides. I might want to try one


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Befor phot of the railed lower I was using before, dont know what it is, dont know where I acquired it from either lol.  I had it and needed something with a rail at the time.

Mercs, the rail covers add no perceivable width that I could tell.  I can grip all the way around the rail and touch thumb to fingers without issue with and without the covers.  I got them because I anticipate needing the help with heat mitigation but will probably still wear gloves

Total weight on that handgaurd as currently setup is a little over 9oz. 

Oem bakelite furniture was about 8oz with the upper handgaurd actually being about 5oz of that.

What I had before with rhe plasric railed lower and bake upper was around 1lb with nothin on it. 

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How thick does it feel with the rail covers? It looks like Bonesteel kept it nice and low profile on the sides. I might want to try one

Bonesteel rails are rather short, which for me means my thumb sits atop the side rail (or can C clamp).  With thumb on side rail, it's right next to the gas block, which gets hot and discharges hot gases immediately where one's thumb is.

Discussed earlier in the thread, but I'd add rails to the bottom (believe bonesteel kit comes w/ some) and then put an AFG there, but you might need an aftermarket rail or rail riser depending upon how might height those included add and how they fit your hand (I have medium hands and large length fingers).  I also add the GoGun gas pedal thumb rest as well, which is also pictured.

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Befor phot of the railed lower I was using before, dont know what it is, dont know where I acquired it from either lol.  I had it and needed something with a rail at the time.

Your photo wasn't coming through on your post.  You have to embed them, but right clicking and "copy image address."  URL for this one is https://i.imgur.com/mCrjKlx.jpg, and then just add a lower-cased L to the end.



That's actually a modern Czech poly rail.  They're fairly expensive for what they are, and would recommend selling it if you don't want it.

A major benefit of bonesteel vs that is increased ventilation.

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Befor phot of the railed lower I was using before, dont know what it is, dont know where I acquired it from either lol.  I had it and needed something with a rail at the time.

Mercs, the rail covers add no perceivable width that I could tell.  I can grip all the way around the rail and touch thumb to fingers without issue with and without the covers.  I got them because I anticipate needing the help with heat mitigation but will probably still wear gloves

Total weight on that handgaurd as currently setup is a little over 9oz. 

Oem bakelite furniture was about 8oz with the upper handgaurd actually being about 5oz of that.

What I had before with rhe plasric railed lower and bake upper was around 1lb with nothin on it.

Thank you for the detailed reply. I like your setup, and I just may do the same for one of mine


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Dtech (Mike) is a good guy.  I remember him from years ago back on the OA2.org (Olympic arms owners forum).

Think he's referring to Dtechnik.

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How thick does it feel with the rail covers? It looks like Bonesteel kept it nice and low profile on the sides. I might want to try one

Bonesteel rails are rather short, which for me means my thumb sits atop the side rail (or can C clamp).  With thumb on side rail, it's right next to the gas block, which gets hot and discharges hot gases immediately where one's thumb is.

Discussed earlier in the thread, but I'd add rails to the bottom (believe bonesteel kit comes w/ some) and then put an AFG there, but you might need a rail riser.  I also add the GoGun gas pedal thumb rest as well, which is also pictured.

Thanks that is some good advice. I was planning to combine this handguard with a vertical forward grip also


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Bonesteel rails are rather short, which for me means my thumb sits atop the side rail (or can C clamp).  With thumb on side rail, it's right next to the gas block, which gets hot and discharges hot gases immediately where one's thumb is.

Discussed earlier in the thread, but I'd add rails to the bottom (believe bonesteel kit comes w/ some) and then put an AFG there, but you might need an aftermarket rail or rail riser depending upon how might height those included add and how they fit your hand (I have medium hands and large length fingers).  I also add the GoGun gas pedal thumb rest as well, which is also pictured.

Thanks that is some good advice. I was planning to combine this handguard with a vertical forward grip also
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Where are the czech handgaurds like that sold at? Ive got the upper too with no rail on it, dont remember where that set came from, just kinda had it.

I was lookin at that when I set this up, it looked like my thumb and front of hand will be out of the path of venting gasses with the way I intend to C clamp with thumb right in front of the red dot. But theres a local 2gun this week and it will be the vetting process for this setup before Kalashnikon.

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VZ58rifle.com definitely sells them.  I think Zahal did.  Not recalling the manufacturer offhand.

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Thanks, found em on their site.  I may just package them with the other rifle to sell em.

Unfortunately the 2gun was cancelled and moved to next week because the range was a mudpit and they didn't want any incidents due to falling in the mud and they figured better attendance when it dries out a little. but they were still open today and weather doesn't stop me from shooting if I have time.  Went out and probably used a couple hundred rounds doing drills and confirming zero.  I gotta say it handles like a totally different gun, was shootinf bare hand and didn't have any heat issues although it was about 42°F out.  Im impressed and had no issues whatsoever, just a metric ton of fun running the little beasty.  Thumb over bore worked well with the red dot, but if you have a RMR or other that will co witness with irons then you're not gonna be able to do that, would need that gas pedal thing or other solution.

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UPDATE:

We had Kalashnicon 2020 this past weekend and I ran the Dtech VZ58 with the bonesteel srs handgaurd set.  The handgaurd set performed very well.  The gun was shoved through port holes and braced up against barriers, grounded, heavy round count stages, long distance out to 400 yds.

The highest round count stage we called 5 card stud.  5 boxes numbered 1-5, the RO (me) has 10 cards in my hand, Ace (1) and 2-5, with 2 of each.  I call a number and shooter runs to box and puts 5 rounds on the applicable target set at 25yds, total of 50 rounds to shoot it clean.  It is a very fast paced stage.  I used 2 whole mags because I dump an extra shot to ensure I dont get penalty for not having enough rounds on target.  It wasnt especially hot, maybe 75-80F but dumping 2 mags that fast heated the gun up quick, barrel was hot, gas block was hot, handgaurds were not and I shoot it thumb over bore and dont wear gloves shooting, I was impressed between the slate industries mlok panels and handgaurds to dissapate heat as well as they did.

Barrier wise the slate stop performed very well and the handgaurds did not deform from being forcefully shoved into barriers, hitting the ground hard, and generally being abused.

Long distance the handgaurds did not seem to affect accuracy any as I was able to hit 4 moa targets out to 400 yds, we have the opportunity to make it to 600 but I did not shoot good enough for that and I am blaming the vortex razor reflex for that. 

The Vortex Razor...
It has been giving me problems for about 3 weeks now.  Windage drift real hard, thought I had it fixed and zeroed but as the event progressed I found myself holding farther and farther right.  It shot loose 3-4 weeks ago, de grease, loctite, and torque back down, now the set screw seems to not want to lock in windage and elevation adjustment very well.  I can say that the railed upper was not the issue as it is still solid as a rock and has not been removed since installation.

Overall Id give the handgaurds a solid 5/5
Good heat dissipation, does not have a negligible effect on accuracy, upper holds zero, very light, very utilitarian.

Only down side is the lower would need to be removed for accessories that slide onto 1913 rails but that's a non issue for me.

Razor had a 4/5 when it worked because it has a beefy 3 moa dot, would prefer a little smaller.

Right now its a 2/5 because something with rhe razor name shouldn't have a drifting dot when the mount is tight

May consider a better folding stock and steel trigger next from obibonjovi once funds recover

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UPDATE:

Thanks for the report!

How'd you do in the competition? 

To your optic -- have you tried either lockset or vibratite?  The former handles heat well.  Not sure of specs on the latter, but it's what ADM sends with all of their mounts (run just on ARs, thus far at least).

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UPDATE:

Thanks for the report!

How'd you do in the competition? 

To your optic -- have you tried either lockset or vibratite?  The former handles heat well.  Not sure of specs on the latter, but it's what ADM sends with all of their mounts (run just on ARs, thus far at least).

I can confirm vibratite handles heat very well, I use it on my shotguns barrel clamp and rifle handguard attachments for example - but similarly to red locktite, I have had to heat it up when it came time to remove


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UPDATE:

Thanks for the report!

How'd you do in the competition? 

To your optic -- have you tried either lockset or vibratite?  The former handles heat well.  Not sure of specs on the latter, but it's what ADM sends with all of their mounts (run just on ARs, thus far at least).

I didnt do too bad all things considering.  Upper 25% and placed in a stage or 2, won some prizes.  We had a couple pros there who were sponsored by IWI and they were a challenge to run against.  I was also an RO as well as a competitor so I essentially ran every stage 6-7 times before actually shooting it 3 days in a row so I was pretty winded.  It was alot of fun though and the spirit of the event since we started it 4 years ago hasnt changed.  New and seasoned shooters, teenagers up to a few guys in their 70s-80s.  A very inclusive event and we plan on keeping it that way.

The optic was still mounted up strong, used blue loctite 242 but it wouldn't have got hot enough to mess with it.  The razor uses a set screw to tight down the windage and elevation and I think it is impacting the windage the wrong way.  I noticed that elevation still has nice tactile clicks when adjusting and windage is very mushy and awkward, cannot tell hiw far youve adjusted.  It's getting sent back and I'm sure Vortex will make it right.

Also incase anyone was wondering a round count, I went through over 200 rounds on friday and at least 150 rounds on Saturday between all matches, est. Almost 400 rounds on that gun with handgaurd and razor red dot in 2 days.

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IWI -- they running trad Galils or Galic ACEs?  Or something else?

Thanks again for the info.