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Offline DHosinski

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Which option is better?
« on: May 17, 2021, 05:18:25 AM »
Hello, I’m looking at a couple of guns to shoot in IDPA SSP and maybe a similar class in USPSA. I’m currently interested in the CZ 75 SP-01 Tactical and the SP-01 Shadow Target 2.   
I’ve looked into CGW’s action reworks, adjustable sights, etc.  I’m positive by the time I get all of the work done to the Tactical, I will be at or exceed the price of a new Shadow Target2.  I’d like to know (and I know it’s all personal preference) after having the work done by CGW. Will the Tactical actually be better somehow over the Shadow Target 2?  I’m sure that’s a stretch. The difference will still be the FPB on the Tactical. I’m also wondering.  If I have the work done.  Will I be able to use the Tactical in SSP?  That by itself may answer the question.

Thank you for your help.


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Re: Which option is better?
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2021, 05:50:39 AM »
I checked the IDPA rules an as long as the changes are “drop in” or are internal and do not remove any material.  They are allowed.

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Re: Which option is better?
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2021, 11:10:39 AM »
I have a SP01 tactical that CGW performed their pro pkg on and shoot it in SSP in my regional matches. When you call then describe what you want to do & they’ll guide you through it. Hammer choice is one of those aspects.

CGW’s work has been superb, making a great gun even better IMO
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Re: Which option is better?
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2021, 09:50:35 AM »
I have an SP-01 Tactical with CGW pro package and an SP-01 Shadow also with a pro package. The Shadow with the pro package may or may not be comparable with the Shadow Target 2 as far as the trigger is concerned, I don't know.

What I can tell you is that the trigger on the Shadow is slightly smoother in DA than the Tactical on my two pistols. I also don't know if it's just a qwerk of my two pistols or not. The SA is no different to me.

While the Shadow is smoother I'm certainly not taking away from the Tactical, it's butter smooth itself and it has a decocker which I really prefer over the safety model. I shoot the Tactical way more than the Shadow. I guess Mick was right: You can't always get what you want..

I have been told the way mine are configured I'd have to shoot ESP in IDPA. Haven't done it yet because of ammo prices  :-[
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Re: Which option is better?
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2021, 01:48:43 PM »
IMO with experience with FPB and non FPB CZ's the non FPB is a little nicer.  Shorter DA/SA trigger pull BUT the difference is small.

For competition the first trigger pull is the only DA on a stage and the SA are so close.

I think you should buy both and decide for yourself...LOL
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Re: Which option is better?
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2021, 05:34:38 PM »


I think you should buy both and decide for yourself...LOL

 Excellent advice. :)

 But having said that please be aware that I don't think the Shadow Target2 is legal for USPSA production division, unless something has changed. That's the division it would best fit in. That's basically why the Shadow 2 Orange came out. Unlike the CZC gun the Orange is considered a factory production gun and is legal for that division.

 Just buy a Shadow 2 or Shadow 2 Orange and call it a day. :)

Offline Earl Keese

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Re: Which option is better?
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2021, 05:43:27 PM »
Why a second thread for the same question?
This isn't the appropriate sub-forum to compare a CGW product with a CZC product. Bottom line is. . .both guns outfitted with similar sights and with improved trigger parts and polishing will perform virtually the same at speed in a match. The CZC tuned Shadow already has the work done, the Tactical you will have to have the improvements made. Yes, there's a difference between a Shadow and Tactical when comparing trigger pulls at the bench, but in actual practice it isn't noticeable. 6 of one, half dozen of the other.

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Re: Which option is better?
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2021, 09:46:38 PM »


 But having said that please be aware that I don't think the Shadow Target2 is legal for USPSA production division,

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Not sure why you think the Shadow target 2 is not eligible for USPSA production.
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Offline DHosinski

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Re: Which option is better?
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2021, 09:21:22 AM »


 But having said that please be aware that I don't think the Shadow Target2 is legal for USPSA production division,


Not sure why you think the Shadow target 2 is not eligible for USPSA production.
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Hello, I apologize for the multiple posts.  I was just trying to get information that would help with my decision.  I would more than likely shoot IDPA SSP. In that the tactical would be limited to what is allowed. The Shadow Target 2 is allowed in IDPA SSP. 

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Re: Which option is better?
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2021, 10:59:11 AM »


 But having said that please be aware that I don't think the Shadow Target2 is legal for USPSA production division,


Not sure why you think the Shadow target 2 is not eligible for USPSA production.
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 Because USPSA has said it's not...

https://uspsa.org/productionlist

EDIT - Actually, I think I'm confusing that with the AcuShadow. Nevermind, though you may want to contact USPSA to be certain.

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Re: Which option is better?
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2021, 12:05:05 PM »


EDIT - Actually, I think I'm confusing that with the AcuShadow. Nevermind, though you may want to contact USPSA to be certain.

I’m looking at the CZ75 SP-01 Shadow Target 2.   The CZ75 Shadow 2 are different firearms. The latter is overall longer and weighs more.

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Re: Which option is better?
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2021, 08:54:37 AM »
Quote from: alp3367 link=topic=115582.msg899615#msg899615 date=1621522751

 Because USPSA has said it's not...
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Starting on page 99 of the USPSA is an extensive list of allowed modifications, which cover both firearms.

OP e-mail Troy McManus, DNROIat USPSA for a definitive ruling.
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Re: Which option is better?
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2021, 08:21:08 PM »
Given the similarities of these two pistols, think there is little difference. Which ever feels best in your hands and balances best is the one I would choose.  Like your choices, both are rock solid.  Wish you luck.

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Offline DHosinski

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Re: Which option is better?
« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2021, 06:54:48 AM »
Given the similarities of these two pistols, think there is little difference. Which ever feels best in your hands and balances best is the one I would choose.  Like your choices, both are rock solid.  Wish you luck.

JW

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Re: Which option is better?
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2021, 11:31:10 AM »
I have both and it’s hard to choose which is better,both are so similar....
Best bet is to get a shadow 2!